US vs Iran Dilemma: Who to believe. Who has more credibility?

[Correll]

That policy did deliver and made us more competitive around the world.

The massive trade inbalance shows that you are wrong.

Those nations are now teaming up against us and China is looking like a more attractive trade partner

Their attempts are retarded nonsense. Both sides of that, want what we give them, ie a huge market that is willing to let them take advantage.

None of them are willing to give that.

So, their attempt to replace us, is doomed to failure.


They will crash and burn spectacularly.

 

[rightwinger]

The massive trade inbalance shows that you are wrong.

WTF is the obsession with trade imbalance?

We are the largest consumers in the world. That means we are buying and others are selling.

You can’t expect countries without our economic resources to be buying at the same level we do.

 

[Correll]

WTF is the obsession with trade imbalance?

We are the largest consumers in the world. That means we are buying and others are selling.

You can’t expect countries without our economic resources to be buying at the same level we do.

You said it made us more competitive.


The massive trade imbalance proved you wrong.

 

[rightwinger]

You said it made us more competitive.


The massive trade imbalance proved you wrong.

Trade alliances give us trade at the best available rate.
That is good for the consumer as is buying goods without a tariff

Trade imbalance just means we are richer than other countries and buy more shit than they do

 

[Correll]

Trade alliances give us trade at the best available rate.
That is good for the consumer as is buying goods without a tariff

Yes, good for the consumer. Bad for the workers.

So, your way of proving your point, is just to omitt imporant information and hope that no one calls you out on it?

Trade imbalance just means we are richer than other countries

YOu are just spamming untrue shit.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump has turned the world against us

That will be his lasting legacy

We need another Obama apology tour?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The world has determined that the U.S. is no longer a reliable trade partner. Our political climate swings too rapidly and we can’t be depended to keep to our agreements

China has stepped up to fill that void. While they may be somewhat overbearing, they are predictable

China has stepped up to fill that void. While they may be somewhat overbearing, they are predictable

They're going to import all the goods the world used to sell to the US?

 

[Alweysrite!]

Trump has turned the world against us

That will be his lasting legacy

That's what you said last time

 

[skews13]

You’d love to see America crumble wouldn’t you?

America won't crumble. It will no longer have anything the world wants, once it realizes it no longer has to adhere to American political persuasion, import tariffs, energy, or needs to park it's money in American debt.

In other words it will eventually become a second rate country because of vulture capitalism.

What did you think was going to happen when the economy based solely on consumption, and is forced to buy it's products from corporate monopolies, can no longer afford to consume?

The world is a big place, and has now grown tired of putting up with Americas shit, and is now in the process of creating a new world economy, that will have the products and energy sources it needs without American rules and laws, which the rest of the world doesn't have to play by.

 

[Dante]

Who do you believe? The one you want to hear that you agree with.

You are so wrong here. I attack and dismiss "allies" all of the time.

 

[Dante]

Can you imagine a world where Canada, Mexico, Greenland, India and the entire EU hates us?

That is the world Trump gave us

Thats called changing the balance of power to favor America and we are thriving. They cant take advantage of us anymore. Their manufacturing is coming here, the money is coming here, the jobs are coming here and thats all good.

What gave the illusion they liked you in the first place?

Because they followed our global leadership, the people looked forward to visiting the U.S. and buying our products.

Trump destroyed that for good

Never happen. They understand where their bread is buttered.

And if they don’t? Then it may be time for some tough love. Much like a responsible parent does when an unruly teen gets too big for their britches…

Yet another illusion.

Reality

US was once the uncontested leader of the free world

Trump ended that and it is not coming back

Actually the US used to engage in trade partnerships not trade wars

It is now the US vs the world and the rest of the world is looking for more dependable trade partners

China is filling that void

You're knocking these illusions out left, right, and centre.

I live in the rust belt. Those trade partnerships, were us gettting fucked up the ass.

Time to change trade policy.

CHINA?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

China will burn in our lifetime. With significant lifetime left over. And yes, we are both old. -ish.

Free trade used to be a cornerstone of the Republican Party

Now it is the US vs the world
They will partner without us

That policy did deliver and made us more competitive around the world.

Those nations are now teaming up against us and China is looking like a more attractive trade partner

And Trump rightly figured out that "partnership" to our trading countries meant that we take it in the shorts while they run roughshod over us. That rightly ended, and they're crying like you are now.

Well, they do that at their own peril....Becoming beholden to China will not work out for them in the long run....And, that just shows that they were never our friends to begin with....If you have to buy your friends, you don't have any friends....

Trump acted the same way in his business partnerships.
He always whined that he was being cheated and used it as an excuse to break the agreement.

One of the reasons so many Trump businesses failed

So, just so I have this straight, you are for the failed status quo? It is a fact that our trade balance was severly f*ed up, and we were bleeding boatloads of taxpayer money, just keeping them going as they were...Why would anyone with a functioning brain continue that?

The world has determined that the U.S. is no longer a reliable trade partner. Our political climate swings too rapidly and we can’t be depended to keep to our agreements

China has stepped up to fill that void. While they may be somewhat overbearing, they are predictable

The status quo has worked for a hundred years.
The U.S. was a reliable trade partner who kept their word.

Trade balance?
The U.S. is the biggest consumer in the world. We are buyers, they are sellers.
No way they can buy as much as we do.

Well, let's see how the children of the world like "overbearing".....lol....

You think China will open their checkbook without strings? I sure don't....

But, as usual, you'll be rooting for China, instead of the United States...That much is clear.

You really think the U.S. did not have strings?
The children of the world used to think we were the good guys. Provide humanitarian aid, military protection.

We are now the bad guys

yep, children often hate it when the parent tells them to stand on their own feet.

It will work out just fine for them. Chinese automation makes goods Europe needs much cheaper, that doesn't require any US import.

The fastest growing auto sales in Europe are Chinese made vehicles, which are exponentially more advanced, and more reliable with longer ranges than anything made in the US or Japan. Even Toyota and Honda are admitting that.

Both Europe and China hold enough of our debt, that they could sink the US into a deep recession overnight.

Canada is now allowing more Chinese made vehicles to be sold, and once they make their way into the US, Americas scam manufacturing prowess, which doesn't exist by the way, will be fully exposed.

Taiwan can easily supply the microchips necessary to sustain Europes needs, and since companies like Apple already have manufacturing infrastructure in China, they can escape all US tariffs. Other US countries will simply move their manufacturing base to China to do the same.

The current disaster that is the Iran debacle, has now pushed alternative energy and electric vehicle demand to all time highs, and Trump looks weak and feckless to the entire world after not being able to open the Strait of Hormuz, and no middle east country, or our NATO allies want anything to do with it.

Trump heads to talks with President Xi of China next week, and Xi will come out the clear winner on any deals because Trump needs Xi. Xi doesn't need Trump.

10 years from now, it will be 2036. Trump will be on the other side of the dirt. No doubt on one of his golf courses under a gold statute for a tax break. Any remaining stench of his existence will have long been erased, along with any remaining stench of maga.

China will be the worlds biggest economy, and green energy and electric vehicles will dominate manufacturing around the world. The hundreds of billons of dollars scammed to stop Iran from having the bomb will have been for nothing, because it has always been a matter of when, not if, when they do finally become part of the nuclear capable countries.

Iran has no incentive to make a deal with Trump, and is fully in control of the current situation. All they have to do is keep the Strait of Hormuz closed, and drag this out until after the midterm elections in the US, which will see gas prices reach $5 a gallon.

China also has no incentive to make any deal with Trump. They are coming from a position of strength, while Trump comes from a position of weakness, and the whole world knows it.

Our nation is based on the whims of a fiat currency at its apex of abuse. It is not buyers and sellers. It is debtors and creditors. There is real growth in the nations that produce for us. If they started from a long way down, it takes time to become rich for many of them if run inefficiently. China has played the game excellently. We consume with funny money bonds, loans etc. as the means of barter in ways the economic elites have enforced on us. So, in 1970 our total deficit was 371 billion dollars while we still controlled the fiat currency from the politicians who opened up the flood gates in the mid 1960's legislation. And somehow it is 39 trillion dollars today. And according to Progressives, all the fault of Republicans. The same ones who are trying to clean up corruption and are smeared about it.

You’d love to see America crumble wouldn’t you?

OP is the classic useful idiot.

Links?

Put it all together in one place. The last comment sums it all up. Denial. Ignorance. Both willful.

 

[Dante]

When I was in the navy 1965-1970 you could go into any bar or restaurant in South America, Mexico, Africa or the Caribbean and there was always a picture of JFK somewhere in the place, and we were usually welcomed, Viet Nam notwithstanding. I think when we lost credibility we lost respect, and it will be very hard to get it back. You can't bomb people into respecting you, and fear is not very long lasting. We also have almost run out of money to buy friends; Israel is the exception.

Don't upset the deniers. Knowing is one thing, but openly stating that Americans and America were so respected just challenges their faux-realities.

 

[Dante]

I started a thread a while back titled, "The disorienting nature of gaslighting." The American public is being gaslit by the regime on a daily basis in dozens of ways. Even though muscle memory says we should trust our government over an untrustworthy one like Iran's the unfortunate reality is the trump regime is equally untrustworthy.

Got it. Thanks.

Thread 'The disorienting nature of gaslighting.'

Mar 21, 2025

Gaslighting is defined as the manipulation of someone into questioning their own perception of reality.

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I started one that maybe fits in this genre.

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"How Intelligent People Deal with Stupid People -- Schopenhauer"

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You are surrounded by fools and it is exhausting. You think your intelligence is your greatest asset. It is actually your biggest vulnerability. The modern world tells you to educate the ignorant, to use logic to find common ground. Arthur Schopenhau knew the brutal truth...

• Dante
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[Dante]

Iran is the one that closed the straits.

Because Trump & Israel started a stupid war.

 

[Dante]

Um Lincoln was a Republican…in fact the first one elected President

Your post is littered with really idiotic thoughts

Did you attend Trump University?

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/donald-trump-history-facts-236659

 

[Dante]

I can’t even believe that the OP was seriously asking whether Islamic terrorists are more credible than America. Shows how effective the enemy’s campaign to get Americans to despise their own country has been. (Of course, only leftists are stupid and gullible to have fallen for it.)

I can’t even believe that Donald J. Trump has people seriously asking whether Islamic terrorists are more credible than America. Yet, it shows how terribly ineffective Donald J. Trump has been trying to convinced Americans to despise their own country. Protests, rallies, opposition (No Kings Days - not the antifa outside of jails), to the Trump Presidency has been seriously patriotic -- without rioting and attacking LE and trying to overthrow the government ala Jan6.