US Navy investigates potential LCS class-wide design flaw

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

 

[AZrailwhale]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

 

[westwall]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

This nimrod understands very little. That said, the LCS has a lot more problems than just that.

The very concept is stupid. A stealth vessel that operates within range of the old MK I eyeball, and isn't armored in any significant fashion is retarded.

Look up the Royal Marines defense of South Georgia Island and how they wrecked an Argentine warship with LAWS and a Carl Gustav.

 

[Natural Citizen]

If I had a battleship, I'd rig it with magnetic propulsion. Everybody's always so Newtonian, sheesh.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

US Navy investigates potential LCS class-wide design flaw

The U.S. Navy is nearing a conclusion that it has a big problem on its hands.

www.defensenews.com

Lol, the little engine that thought it could can't

The Biden Administration fed the ship design into a Dominion machine and it hit a top speed of 80 knots

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

In WWII several classes of Destroyer Escorts used either diesel-electric, or turbo-electric drives without batteries or oil tankers to carry fuel. They displaced roughly a third of a LCS. It’s not new technology and generators coupled to electric motors are simpler and more fuel efficient than conventional geared drivetrains. That’s because the generators can always run at the optimum speed to power the motors.

Again the littoral ships have a high speed clutch bearing design flaw that encompasses the entire fleet of these ships. These ships can hit 50mph as designed. So the issue has nothing to do with either the diesel power or gas turbines, and if Daveman believes that his pieced together from the internet design is better than the current design and he is correct he will be a billionaire shortly. However all he is doing is quoting railroad technology that was invented 50 to 100 or even more years ago which has nothing to do with propelling a modern ship to 50mph today.

You are correct that electric ship power is not new, and for that reason precisely it has been tested and vetted as inefficient for various reasons, though it does work better in ships that have no need to be refueled as is the case with reactor equipped vessels, in submarines the electric motors can run off battery and be very quiet as there are no generators running to provide the power. So what works well in one situation does not necessarily work as well in another

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

This nimrod understands very little. That said, the LCS has a lot more problems than just that.

The very concept is stupid. A stealth vessel that operates within range of the old MK I eyeball, and isn't armored in any significant fashion is retarded.

Look up the Royal Marines defense of South Georgia Island and how they wrecked an Argentine warship with LAWS and a Carl Gustav.

The reason that it is not armored is so that it can be a fast responder as it moves 50mph, which is why it has such a complicated gear shifting system. This ship is built for a particular purpose, and by the way there are no ships that can have armor to withstand a modern anti ship missile so the armor means little in a real conflict

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

Ships are refueled at sea on a regular basis. So the idea that they are "off grid" where fuel is concerned is wrong.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

Ships are refueled at sea on a regular basis. So the idea that they are "off grid" where fuel is concerned is wrong.

Actually a small fast littoral ship is not going to be very stealthy if it is refueled by a TANKER in shallow enemy waters where it is designed to operate.

Yawn

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

Ships are refueled at sea on a regular basis. So the idea that they are "off grid" where fuel is concerned is wrong.

Actually a small fast littoral ship is not going to be very stealthy if it is refueled by a TANKER in shallow enemy waters where it is designed to operate.

Yawn

The ships used to put troops on the beach are refueled at seas. The Littoral ship can refuel and be back on station without having to enter a refueling port.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

Ships are refueled at sea on a regular basis. So the idea that they are "off grid" where fuel is concerned is wrong.

Actually a small fast littoral ship is not going to be very stealthy if it is refueled by a TANKER in shallow enemy waters where it is designed to operate.

Yawn

The ships used to put troops on the beach are refueled at seas. The Littoral ship can refuel and be back on station without having to enter a refueling port.

Littoral ships are not troop transports. Troops are launched off landing craft which are carried by amphibious assault ships, so stop making up stuff.

Unclassified DOD document

Mission and Description The Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) is a fast, agile, and networked surface combatant optimized for operations close to shore, otherwise known as the littorals. The LCS Mission Modules (MM) Program provides a modular, focused mission capability to the Combatant Commanders to provide assured access against littoral threats. The primary missions for the LCS include countering littoral mine, submarine, and surface threats to assure maritime access for Joint Forces. A mission package consists of mission modules with crew and support aircraft. Mission modules combine mission systems (vehicles, sensors, weapons) and support equipment that install into the ship via standard interfaces. Mission modules are added to the mission package baselines incrementally as they reach a level of maturity necessary for fielding. This approach provides for continuous improvement of warfighting capability through an evolutionary acquisition process.

20-F-0568_DOC_51_LCS_MM_SAR_Dec_2019_Full.pdf (whs.mil)

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

Ships are refueled at sea on a regular basis. So the idea that they are "off grid" where fuel is concerned is wrong.

Actually a small fast littoral ship is not going to be very stealthy if it is refueled by a TANKER in shallow enemy waters where it is designed to operate.

Yawn

The ships used to put troops on the beach are refueled at seas. The Littoral ship can refuel and be back on station without having to enter a refueling port.

Littoral ships are not troop transports. Troops are launched off landing craft which are carried by amphibious assault ships, so stop making up stuff.

Unclassified DOD document

Mission and Description The Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) is a fast, agile, and networked surface combatant optimized for operations close to shore, otherwise known as the littorals. The LCS Mission Modules (MM) Program provides a modular, focused mission capability to the Combatant Commanders to provide assured access against littoral threats. The primary missions for the LCS include countering littoral mine, submarine, and surface threats to assure maritime access for Joint Forces. A mission package consists of mission modules with crew and support aircraft. Mission modules combine mission systems (vehicles, sensors, weapons) and support equipment that install into the ship via standard interfaces. Mission modules are added to the mission package baselines incrementally as they reach a level of maturity necessary for fielding. This approach provides for continuous improvement of warfighting capability through an evolutionary acquisition process.

20-F-0568_DOC_51_LCS_MM_SAR_Dec_2019_Full.pdf (whs.mil)

Stop making stuff up? You started it.

I understand the mission of the Littoral ships. That changes nothing where underway refueling is concerned.

 

[esalla]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

Ships are refueled at sea on a regular basis. So the idea that they are "off grid" where fuel is concerned is wrong.

Actually a small fast littoral ship is not going to be very stealthy if it is refueled by a TANKER in shallow enemy waters where it is designed to operate.

Yawn

The ships used to put troops on the beach are refueled at seas. The Littoral ship can refuel and be back on station without having to enter a refueling port.

Again littoral ships are not designed to put troops on the beach although they can launch a small raft, the littoral ship is not a landing craft, nor is it capable of carrying hovercraft or other amphibious vehicles which are dedicated troop transports, the design of the ship prevents a large bay.

This type of ship launches troops

Sheesh 1 hovercraft alone is 20 percent the length of a littoral ship

 

[WinterBorn]

Seems like an electric propulsion system would have been far simpler, combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically.

That makes zero sense, as all electric propulsion systems have mechanical parts

No shit, genius. Did you read the article? Did you comprehend it? They're trying to mechanically combine the output power from two diesel engines and two gas turbine engines through one complicated gearbox system. The gearbox is failing, and they don't understand why yet.

Imagine an electrical power plant with steam turbines and a large diesel generator. Are all the output shafts ganged together mechanically, or are the alternators from each unit ganged together electrically?

Hint: They're tied together electrically. Matter of fact, every generator online at any given moment feeding power to the national electrical grid are all tied together electrically...NOT mechanically.

My statement makes perfect sense. An electric drive system would be far simpler.

Dude there is no such thing as what you said which was. "combining the power from turbines and diesels electrically instead of mechanically." How does that happen?

So you have no idea what you are babbling about. But hey it sounded good right?

An electric ship can not charge at the charging station, they would need generators, batteries, and the fuel of an oil tanker to run these so it's impossible. So try again, this works in other situations because one oil drum of Uranium powers the ship for 20 years.

Since you know absolutely nothing about this subject, you should remain silent.

On edit:

But since you won't, let me illustrate your ignorance.

The top part is what the LCS ships have now, only they're far more complicated.

The bottom part is how diesel electric ship propulsion works. Generators convert mechanical power to electrical power, which then drives electric motors to spin propellers. In the case of these LCS ships, the main generator drive engines would be a combination of diesel and turbine engines. The power they produce is put on to an electrical bus. Far simpler than the mechanical gearbox they're currently using.

Here's a diagram showing diesel- and gas turbine-driven generators powering a ship:

There are no "electric" ships like your misunderstanding insists.

Again simpleton there is no way that these small ships can carry the fuel to run the generators. Carriers and subs run for 20 years on one Uranium sealed reactor load. Your diagram also lacks batteries for instant power and does not take into account the weight of the batteries or fuel. Also the diagram does not tell the range of the ship before needing refueling.

However if you could design ship power plants instead of copying nonsense from the net you would not be here but working on the failed design

You had your chance to not look like a moron.

You chose not to take advantage of it.

Renewed Interest in Diesel-Electric Marine Propulsion

Diesel Electric Drive
A well-proven commercial technology trickles down to private yachts.

Electrical Propulsion System in Ships

Your petulant foot-stamping does not alter reality. Stop posting in this thread, unless, of course, you want to look even stupider. I don't mind.

LOL, what is the range of your fictional all electric littoral ship?

You are posting random facts from the internet about a ship that only exist in your head.

Do you take meds for this?

It's obvious you know nothing about any of this. Stop insisting you do.

What's your solution? Build a propulsion system that gets used once then thrown away?

Actually you are the clown that insist he is capable of designing Navy ships not me.

So unless you are an engineer working for Huntington Ingalls or General Dynamics you are pulling your own pud.

Please continue.

PS Give the Navy a call and give them your plan, I hear that Admirals enjoy laughing

Still nothing from you but petulance. You sure do hate it when people don't automatically accept everything you say simply because you say it.

Meanwhile, in reality, you're wrong about diesel-electric ship propulsion, and your fragile ego simply can't accept that.

Sucks to be you.

Dude the first electric boat was made in 1839, there were diesel electric subs in WW2 used because there was no way to store enough air or Oxygen while submerged to power the diesels. You claim that I am wrong because I do not believe in your mythical power plant for littoral ships yet all the designers that have not built your wet dream agree with me that while it might be possible the range is too small. See kiddy electric power plants work just fine on nuclear ships and boats because millions of gallons of diesel are not needed which along with the generators and batteries severely increase weight decrease mobility and as said range.

Not that you can ever comprehend any of this.

Still throwing your tantrum, huh? Not at all surprising.

You seem to be stuck on batteries. Diesel-electric propulsion doesn't require them. (Hint: Every modern train is that burns fuel is diesel-electric. They don't have batteries to power the drive motors.)

You'd best be gettin' on the horn to the cruise line companies. Their diesel-electric cruise ships are more efficient than diesel-driven ships. Make sure you tell them how wrong they are. While you've got your phone handy, call all the railroads and tell them diesel-electric is dumb.

Meanwhile, you want to put a nuclear reactor on a surface combat vessel as small as an LCS?

Way dumb.

Actually diesel electric subs do require batteries and are equipped with batteries even when the power source is nuclear because battery power requires no moving parts to provide the electricity and in certain situations is quieter and far more stealthy. Diesel actually announces ones presence. However we are actually discussing a littoral ship that you want to re-engineer to be diesel electric. Why with your amazing brain aren't you designing power plants other than your fart machine.

Still haven't called the cruise lines and railroads? Slacker.

Diesel-electric subs do require batteries. Duh. Surface ships, having a ready supply of oxygen, do not.

And obviously, LCS don't require sonar stealth, or they would have been built diesel-electric with batteries. Again, duh.

Well I guess it's too bad that the engineers at Lockheed Martin, Huntington Ingalls and General Dynamics aren't as bright as you.

What you could do is patent your plan and sell it to the contractor for a billion or two

You seem almost stupid enough to work for the bureau

You, of all people, shouldn't be throwing around the s-word.

Called GE yet and told them they're building locomotives wrong?

LOL a locomotive is connected to the grid simpleton, have GE run wires thru the ocean to make your wet dream a reality

So you do work for the bureau, I knew it

Oh, my good Gaea. How damn stupid can you be? I'm getting tired of educating you; there's simply no ROI.

Diesel-electric locomotives have...can you guess what's coming?...a diesel engine driving an electrical generator. They don't require a connection to the grid. He's an image from How Stuff Works For Internet Retards:

This is the part where, if you had any self-awareness at all, you'd slink away in embarrassment.

But of course, you'll be back, claiming your astounding ignorance is MY fault.

I'm done with you.

Ah yea kid, they stop along the way for more fuel. Like a car on a highway, this is all part of the grid, when you get off grid there is nothing as in a ship at sea. The comical thing about you is that you seem to think you are brighter than the best ship engineers because you can copy and paste 100 year old information about frikin trains from the net. Do you really think that the Lockheed Martin engineers do not know this?

Now for the Littoral ship problems, they do not need new fuel or new power plants, they have malfunctioning clutch bearings in their transmissions. These are mechanical parts used for high speed gear changes to the propulsion shafts

Yawn

But then you are a super agent

Ships are refueled at sea on a regular basis. So the idea that they are "off grid" where fuel is concerned is wrong.

Actually a small fast littoral ship is not going to be very stealthy if it is refueled by a TANKER in shallow enemy waters where it is designed to operate.

Yawn

The ships used to put troops on the beach are refueled at seas. The Littoral ship can refuel and be back on station without having to enter a refueling port.

Again littoral ships are not designed to put troops on the beach although they can launch a small raft, the littoral ship is not a landing craft, nor is it capable of carrying hovercraft or other amphibious vehicles which are dedicated troop transports, the design of the ship prevents a large bay.

This type of ship launches troops

Sheesh 1 hovercraft alone is 20 percent the length of a littoral ship

Again, being refueled by another ship does not change the mission of the Littoral ships.

They are used in shallow waters along coastlines. Unless the Littoral is being used to guard a refueling port, they will have to travel to refuel. Very likely it is a shorter distance out to sea than along the coast to another port. And it would certainly be more secure, since the exact location would not be known in advance.

 

[WinterBorn]

Actually there is no need to refuel ships that need a tugboat to tow them into port which is what this thread is about.

But you make sure that the ships that do not run have fuel anyway.

LOL

You give up on the littoral ships being used for launching landing craft?

Littoral ships need support, like any other vessel. Being able to refuel without being forced to go to a specific port, or in places where there are no ports, increases their mission capability.

 

[westwall]

Actually there is no need to refuel ships that need a tugboat to tow them into port which is what this thread is about.

But you make sure that the ships that do not run have fuel anyway.

LOL

You give up on the littoral ships being used for launching landing craft?

Littoral ships need support, like any other vessel. Being able to refuel without being forced to go to a specific port, or in places where there are no ports, increases their mission capability.

 

[esalla]

Actually there is no need to refuel ships that need a tugboat to tow them into port which is what this thread is about.

But you make sure that the ships that do not run have fuel anyway.

LOL

You give up on the littoral ships being used for launching landing craft?

Littoral ships need support, like any other vessel. Being able to refuel without being forced to go to a specific port, or in places where there are no ports, increases their mission capability.

Nope, if the transmission does not run the ship needs no refueling

 

[WinterBorn]

Actually there is no need to refuel ships that need a tugboat to tow them into port which is what this thread is about.

But you make sure that the ships that do not run have fuel anyway.

LOL

You give up on the littoral ships being used for launching landing craft?

Littoral ships need support, like any other vessel. Being able to refuel without being forced to go to a specific port, or in places where there are no ports, increases their mission capability.

Nope, if the transmission does not run the ship needs no refueling

That is a given. I was simply addressing another of your comments.

 

[esalla]

Actually there is no need to refuel ships that need a tugboat to tow them into port which is what this thread is about.

But you make sure that the ships that do not run have fuel anyway.

LOL

You give up on the littoral ships being used for launching landing craft?

Littoral ships need support, like any other vessel. Being able to refuel without being forced to go to a specific port, or in places where there are no ports, increases their mission capability.

Nope, if the transmission does not run the ship needs no refueling

That is a given. I was simply addressing another of your comments.

The idea of a littoral ship is to be in and out before being seen, not to drag in a tanker half as big as Rhode Island to refuel

 

[esalla]

Actually there is no need to refuel ships that need a tugboat to tow them into port which is what this thread is about.

But you make sure that the ships that do not run have fuel anyway.

LOL

You give up on the littoral ships being used for launching landing craft?

Littoral ships need support, like any other vessel. Being able to refuel without being forced to go to a specific port, or in places where there are no ports, increases their mission capability.

Now that was the brightest thing you ever said