US Military: Peak Oil 2012

[Big Fitz]

peak oil is a hoax. Just cause you can stop and block oil exploration politically doesn't mean the resources aren't there.

And that's what's been happening.

In every oil-producing country around the world? That's a pretty vast conspiracy, you are suggesting...

Then please explain the massive finds off the Gulf Coast, Brazil, ANWR and the technology to now start extracting Shale Oil. Plus we still have Coal Gassification, as the saudi arabia of coal, and it being profitable at $1.60 a gallon at the pump, you think we'd be happy to get those prices back?

Unlimited oil? No. There wasn't unlimited whale oil either, or wood, or animal fat, or olives.

BUT, what has ALWAYS happened? when the need became pressing, we adapted! came up with new technology that was better, and cleaner, and was a better power generation ratio. Always.

Peak Oil is a socialist/fascist delivery system, like tortilla chips are to salsa. Getcha scared and freaked out over something that isn't going to happen so you'll panic and hand over your freedom to a bunch of strong man tyrants who's goal in life is to make you their bitch.

Thank you, no. I'm not buying this.

 

[uscitizen]

the ONLY thing we can do to affect this immediately is to CONSERVE...cut back....we are not buying as much so China ain't making as much either, this should conserve some of that oil usage...

It is estimated that usa pumps 3% of the world's oil while using 26% of the world's oil....

conserving is the only way to impact this immediately, not years out, pumping oil....years out pumping oil will help when it is pumped, not now with prices and shortages....so that is important too, but NOW, we must cut back on our oil use, world wide....to slow down this pace and leave some for our future generations.

And we have what like 1% of the worlds population?

 

[Toro]

I downloaded this the other day and will eventually get around to reading it.

My question though is why would we believe the US military over the energy agencies who do this for a living?

 

[uscitizen]

I downloaded this the other day and will eventually get around to reading it.

My question though is why would we believe the US military over the energy agencies who do this for a living?

Umm the military are the ones killing and dying for US oil?
Not the ones being paid by the oil industry.

 

[SFC Ollie]

The United States consumed 19.5 million barrels per day (MMbd) of petroleum products during 2008 making us the world’s largest petroleum consumer. The United States was third in crude oil production at 4.9 MMbd. But crude oil alone does not constitute all U.S. petroleum supplies. Significant gains occur, because crude oil expands in the refining process, liquid fuel is captured in the processing of natural gas, and we have other sources of liquid fuel, including biofuels. These additional supplies totaled 3.6 MMbd in 2008.

EIA?s Energy in Brief: How dependent are we on foreign oil?

 

[eagleseven]

Then please explain the massive finds off the Gulf Coast, Brazil, ANWR and the technology to now start extracting Shale Oil. Plus we still have Coal Gassification, as the saudi arabia of coal, and it being profitable at $1.60 a gallon at the pump, you think we'd be happy to get those prices back?

Explain them? This statement counterdicts your previous claim that the hunt for oil has stopped.

There are alternatives, yes, but those alternatives are only practical in 1st-world countries.

BUT, what has ALWAYS happened? when the need became pressing, we adapted! came up with new technology that was better, and cleaner, and was a better power generation ratio. Always.

Generally after a series of wars, the survivors develop alternatives, yes.

Peak Oil is a socialist/fascist delivery system, like tortilla chips are to salsa. Getcha scared and freaked out over something that isn't going to happen so you'll panic and hand over your freedom to a bunch of strong man tyrants who's goal in life is to make you their bitch.

If you read the report, the reason why the military is concerned is precisely because it will destabilize the world economy, which is already fragile. The report states that in such circumstances, dictatorships tend to rise to power, making Iran and North Korea the norm.

Thank you, no. I'm not buying this.

There is nothing for you to buy. If and when it happens, it will affect you whether you like it or not.

I am glad that at least our military is taking the complications of this situation seriously.

 

[eagleseven]

I downloaded this the other day and will eventually get around to reading it.

My question though is why would we believe the US military over the energy agencies who do this for a living?

Because they will be the ones directly dealing with the global fallout?

 

[HUGGY]

U.S. military warns of oil production shortage by 2015 — Autoblog Green
The U.S. Joint Forces command has issued a Joint Operating Environment report that states that surplus oil production capacity could disappear within two years and that there could be serious shortages by 2015. From the report:

By 2012, surplus oil production capacity could entirely disappear, and as early as 2015, the shortfall in output could reach nearly 10 million barrels per day, While it is difficult to predict precisely what economic, political, and strategic effects such a shortfall might produce, it surely would reduce the prospects for growth in both the developing and developed worlds. Such an economic slowdown would exacerbate other unresolved tensions, push fragile and failing states further down the path toward collapse, and perhaps have serious economic impact on both China and India.

Like we didn't have enough problems, already. As noted by the above article, a Kuwaiti commission came to the same conclusion...2012-2015.

Perhaps this is why Obama recently allowed for more offshore drilling?

After suckering Bush I into a war with Iraq why on earth would we trust those Kuaitti fucks about anything?

 

[Rick]

Live with less will be the new slogan

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Umm the last time I checked 51% of our electricity comes from coal. Oil is maybe 1%? I forget.

Actually,

I love pie charts. And coal is a resource that we have an abundance of.

*** those are 2007 numbers.

48 percent coal 21 percent natural gas, both non renewable resources. Both will eventually run out just like GAS. But you go right on pretending that INCREASING electrical needs is sustainable.

 

[uscitizen]

The one I looked at was 2009. Apparently oil use in oil generation has dropped due to cost and polloution, I think it was replaced by natural gas.

Conservation and energy efficiency are the 2 most easially implemented leectrical usage reductions we can make.

We use far more energy in our buildings than we do in our cars.

 

[Samson]

The US Military.........Oracle Precise Predictions.



um...yeah.

 

[Contumacious]

The U.S. Joint Forces command has issued a Joint Operating Environment report that states that surplus oil production capacity could disappear within two years and that there could be serious shortages by 2015. From the report:

Nonsense. We have had "shortages" since the 1840's..

But typically the problem is not an energy shortage but excessive government interference.

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[Toro]

Umm the military are the ones killing and dying for US oil?
Not the ones being paid by the oil industry.

Because they will be the ones directly dealing with the global fallout?

I think that is as relevant as the energy agencies commenting about military strategies because wars are being fought over oil.

Maybe the military is right, I don't know. I haven't read it. But I heard it was pretty alarmist.

 

[uscitizen]

As I said before had the worldwide recession not happened we would pretty much be at peak oil right now.
The oil companies will love the $5+/gal gas that peak oil will bring.
Do you seriously think they will do anything to ease our pain?

 

[Contumacious]

As I said before had the worldwide recession not happened we would pretty much be at peak oil right now.
The oil companies will love the $5+/gal gas that peak oil will bring.
Do you seriously think they will do anything to ease our pain?

What the fuck are you talking about? Is it the oil companies who are threatening the oil producers? Or is the the goddamned federal government who threatens Iraq, Iran and Venezuela?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?

.

 

[uscitizen]

As I said before had the worldwide recession not happened we would pretty much be at peak oil right now.
The oil companies will love the $5+/gal gas that peak oil will bring.
Do you seriously think they will do anything to ease our pain?

What the fuck are you talking about? Is it the oil companies who are threatening the oil producers? Or is the the goddamned federal government who threatens Iraq, Iran and Venezuela?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?

.

HUH?

Economics 101 as demand rises and supply tightens profits soar.

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Hahaha, "not an energy shortage but excessive government interference."

C'mon guys, even the most extreme reactionaries here can't deny that, you know, something that is FINITE, eventually ENDS, right? The estimates vary, but peak oil (and I CAN get you the reliable links, if it's really necessary) is occurring right now, 2010-2020 are where virtually every estimate's on. Consumption has to decrease and alternatives have to be sought, renewable or not, but hopefully the former. As someone mentioned above, Nuclear would be a good alternative (despite all the dangers), though biofuels are not (they're inefficient, take up too much land, and raise food prices).

The sad part for us "leftists" is that there's really not much more of a choice. Wing and Solar together are less than 1%, and not for any time in the foreseeable future can they replace the fossil fuels. Again, the most promising alternative, biofuels, will not work. It's time to accept nuclear power, increase it, and remain committed to expand the high-tech alternatives for the time being, while implementing rigorous conservation and - GASP - increasing the carbon tax. Everywhere. It just sucks that it'll require everyone to work together, and it's not gonna happen cuz the US, Russia, India, and China aren't gonna do it.

This is the kind of thinking that's going to lead the world straight to the toilet, as the rest of us are gonna have to pick up the pieces of the four of you's little imperial-strategic rivalries to fuel your petrol addiction.

 

[Contumacious]

As I said before had the worldwide recession not happened we would pretty much be at peak oil right now.
The oil companies will love the $5+/gal gas that peak oil will bring.
Do you seriously think they will do anything to ease our pain?

What the fuck are you talking about? Is it the oil companies who are threatening the oil producers? Or is the the goddamned federal government who threatens Iraq, Iran and Venezuela?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?

.

HUH?

Economics 101 as demand rises and supply tightens profits soar.

True. The supply tightens as the god damned federal government threatens the oil producers : Iraq, Iran and Venezuela!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[uscitizen]

What the fuck are you talking about? Is it the oil companies who are threatening the oil producers? Or is the the goddamned federal government who threatens Iraq, Iran and Venezuela?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?

.

HUH?

Economics 101 as demand rises and supply tightens profits soar.

True. The supply tightens as the god damned federal government threatens the oil producers : Iraq, Iran and Venezuela!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes mostly due to corporate influence in our govt.
An enemy is also required to support the military industrial complex.