US Might free Jonathan Pollard

[JoeB131]

to Manchester. The Pakistanis have been playing us for chumps for a decade. what we need to do is make nice with India and **** them.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Israel is a modern day "Crusader State".

We all know how that turned out, eventually.

Yes with the Jews a proud people who will never again be walked all over.

Uh, huh.

Maybe you need to check your own Zionist propaganda.

Bye, the beloved country - why almost 40 percent of Israelis are thinking of emigrating Israel News | Haaretz

Shirlee’s gut analysis is interesting against the backdrop of a survey conducted for Haaretz by the market-research firm Meida Shivuki C.I., under the management of Noam Raz and Merav Shapira. The survey found that 37 percent of Israelis are considering a move to a different country at some time in the future.

The French Jews making Aliyah to Israel is up 313% for month of Jan - Feb. There's more. I'll be back. Here is the first link - to prove you are wrong, Joe. The Jews in Venezuala have moved to Israel. American Jewish businessmen and inventors left for Israel last year, the influx of geniuses, technology, scientists, billionaires is making Israel one of the top destinations in the world to move to. The future of Israel is bright. Europe and America? Not so much! !

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/.premium-1.582849

 

[JoeB131]

As I've said before.

6 milion Zionists vs. 1 billion Muslims.

No, this will not end well.

 

[Manchester]

to Manchester. The Pakistanis have been playing us for chumps for a decade. what we need to do is make nice with India and **** them.

A nice idea in a black and white world in which everybody gets what they deserve but do you honestly think that deliberatly making an enemy of the country with the 6th biggest population in the world and nuclear weapons which is currently in the process of becoming moreradical in it's Islam is a good plan?

It sounds to me like pretty much the most bonehead move that could be made. Far better to buy some influence and keep the lure of capitalism strong in their society as a counter to a Taliban revolution far larger than the one that ruined Afghanistan.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I received an email yesterday from a Jewish friend who sent me a European news article to let me know the last Jews are now leaving from Norway ( approx 800 ) and will be moving to Israel. The Jews in Sweden are now moving to Israel. The Jews in Paris are moving to Israel as well... the Jews in Ethiopia are moving to Israel, Jews all over the world are moving TO Israel, Joe. In unprecedented numbers never seen before. Move TO Israel. Not AWAY from Israel. Glad I could help you out there! - Jeri

NOTE*** God has always liked the odds stacked against His people so He could show up Big. Gideon had 300 men to the Amalakites tens of thousands. Gideon & his men prevailed. So will Israel. Do not worry your pretty little head about it. With God numbers do not matter Joe. He sits on his throne and laughs at numbers! He created numbers! For that matter he created atoms so believe me when I tell you - HE'S GOT THIS ONE!!!

As Israel has a far smaller population than the Muslims surrounding their borders the world will surely understand when they push the button. Samson option, Joe. It's a great deterrent. Which is why these Nuclear Disarm meetings are gaining momentum. It will do them no good however. Israel will defend herself and anyone who doesn't like that can take it up with the One who isn't intimidated by small numbers. Because He is G-d.



As anti-Semitic attacks rise, thousands attend aliyah fair in Paris | The Times of Israel

 

[Phoenall]

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Not according to the LoN charter, the mandate and the UN. The land had never been arab since 1012 C.E. , and was not arab the day Israel declared independence. IT WAS BRITISH UNDER THE MANDATE so you fail on this

Did Egypt pay for the canal to be built, or were they being typically muslim and stealing what others had made.

It was a declaration of war which resulted in a return of fire, just like the USA did to Japan .

Was not arab land as they had never owned it for nearly 1,000 years. The arabs just tried to steal all of the land because of their Islamic culture

No, the Arabs tried to take the land because the British promised them if they rose up against the Ottomans in WWI, they could have independence.

then the British, who have a talent for messing everything up, decided, 'Hey, wouldn't it be nice if we could resettle all of Europe's Jews there, because we certainly don't want them!"

Except not a whole lot of Europe's Jewry were too keen on the idea until Hitler tried to kill them all off.

The British had no business doing any of this. And we are still paying for their screwups today.

Which they got in Syria and Jordan, while the French gave them Iraq

That had already been decided in 1920 at the San Remo Conference, and Britain being anti semitic Jew haters were against this.

Strange how many Jews from Europe and beyond went to Palestine in the 1920's and 1930's. So many in fact that the arab muslims demanded they be stopped.

The British did nothing but what they were supposed to do under the LoN mandate. In fact they reneged on the original plan and gave the land of Jordan to a minor Saudi prince. Then after WW2 they once again did the dirty on the Jews and took away all the fertile land that had been promised to them for their help in WW1 and WW2.

Try reading the real history books and not the ISLAMONAZI versions of history

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

As I've said before.

6 milion Zionists vs. 1 billion Muslims.

No, this will not end well.

It's a piece of cake, Joe. You don't know my G-d. He can handle this one with both eyes shut!

 

[Phoenall]

Actually, it's 3 billion, but don't expect that to go on much longer if they start asking Granny to give up her social security check.

Yes billion, that is my mistake.

Ih, and we've also been hearing for decades that America will cut off Israel blah blah blah.

When it comes to anti Zionists like yourselves, it's always 'this WILL happen to Israel and THAT will happen to Israel and the Arabs WILL DO THIS to Israel@
It's always future tense. When are any of these things ACTUALLY going to happen?

They are happening now. Most of Europe has had enough of Israel's nonsense, as has most of Latin America. It's only the United States where AIPAC still has our politicians spines in a lockbox.

And as I said, AIPAC said, "You got to go get Assad for us!" and America said, "Wait a minute..."

Progress.

Complete and utter BULLSHIT, Europe is making new laws to protect Israel from racist sanctions. Next we will be clamping down hard on the muslims already here so they move back to were they came from. They are parasites and have show time aqnd time again how they will use violent means to take over a country.

 

[Desperado]

jonathan pollard got a sentence far disproportionate to anyone else convicted of similar acts. time for him to go home.

Technically Jonathan Pollard is home. After all he is a so called American

 

[Phoenall]

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Then how about you define exactly what you mean by Zionists and Zionism first so we can see just which hymn sheet you are singing from. You see it is an ISLAMONAZI trick to use these terms instead of Jew or Israel so they can skirt racism and civil rights laws. I believe that this is also the case with you and it all boils down to your unnatural fear of anything that gives the Jews a place of their own that they can defend against attack.

NO, guy, I use Zionism for exactly what it is.

A lie.

The Lie of Zionism is "A land without a people for a people without a land."

But there were people on that land. The Zionists dispossessed them of their land.

Now, here's the thing. I have no use for any religion. Judiasm, Christianity, Islam. Religion has never done anything good in the whole of human history, not once, not even by accident.

So what offends me about Zionism is "My Sky Pixie gave me your land, and the whole world has to accept that no matter how horrible the consequences."

So you invoke the ISLAMONAZI definition of Zionism and not the real one.

The land was British and before that Turkish ottoman.

The people on that land that owned it were mainly Jews and Christians, with very few muslims owning anything but the tent they carried and the shirt on their back. So they had no land to be dispossessed from, but they put in with the arab league and invaded Israel so they could bet the first chance of any spoils. But they were utterly beaten by an inferior force armed with shotguns, mattocks and axes. So they were deported from the land of Israel along with the other invaders.

Now for a lesson in terminology :-

ZIONISM

Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.

Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism has come to include the movement for the development of the State of Israel and the protection of the Jewish nation in Israel through support for the Israel Defence Forces.

From inception, Zionism advocated tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions - left, right, religious and secular - formed the Zionist movement and worked together toward its goals.


No mention of any Sky Pixie is there, just the Jews own aspirations of a homeland of their own on land that is culturally in their blood. At no time does it mention a people without a land on a land without people. That is an ISLAMONAZI construct akin to the BLOOD LIBELS and THE PROTOCOLS.

 

[Phoenall]

[ Have you ever dealt with muslims on a large scale, if you had you would see that they are a "hive mind" and to be dealt with in the same manner. The various nationalities of muslims all have the cultural make up, from marrying first cousins until the gene pool becomes depleted to practising beheadings from an early age. They follow a dictate that compels them to be violent or face death as violently as possible. They don't kill cleanly when they have to, instead they kill in a frenzy of blood lust. What you don't see is that they have started at the other end of Europe and their numbers are increasing slowly. Once they get to 10% of the population then they will start the take over.

Ah, yes, the fastest way to dehumanize someone.

THe whole, "They don't value life the way we do!"

Frankly, the way Europeans rationalized centuries of colonialism, slavery and genocide.

How can you dehumanise something that is not human to begin with ? Their favourite sayings are Allahu Akbar as they are cutting of a persons head and Inshallah when their children are being burnt to death in a school fire.

 

[Phoenall]

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But you cant generate the income to pay for the jobs or materials, unless you pay more in taxes. So either way you will see mass unemployment.

No, guy, you really won't. We had our greatest economic growth when we went full out Keynesian between 1940 and 1980.

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Check with your M.D. and see just how much comes from Israel and how much less it costs than the next cheapest. All part of the deal with Israel.
Then check with your local armed forces base on who is the cause of all your problems around the world and you will be told "the ayrabs sir"

I was in the armed forces, unlike most of you. We only have a problem with the "Arabs" because we keep messing with them.

When labour was cheap and prices were low. Now Labour is expensive and laws stop short cuts and force prices up.

So the arabs mass murdered 3,000 innocent Americans because you kept messing with them. Or how about the Pan Am flight that was the target of an arab terrorist bomb that blew up over Newcastle and came to earth in Lockerbie. Not a pretty sight seeing the babies hanging from the branches of trees. That is how they work and the only thing they know is violence.

 

[Phoenall]

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Why so the Nazi's like you can wipe them out.

They were invited by the LoN to migrate to their new National Home so they are there legally. Israel is pluralistic which is more than can said for any Palestinian state were non muslims are treated as slaves and less than animals. Just look at the Palestinian charter that calls for the death of all the worlds Jews. It seems that you are also thinking along the same lines and want the muslims to finish the Job started by Mohamed way back in 632 C.E.

Maybe the Palestinians should go back to Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Saudi were they belong as well...............

So you are buying that Zionist myth that Palestine had no one living in it before 1918? REally?

So if the UN passed a resolution saying that the states that were handed over after Mexican American War were rightfully Mexico's "National HOme", you'd be totally cool with those illegal aliens moving into your backyard?

Somehow, I don't think so.

It had people living there alright Jews on their farms, Christians in their holy places and wandering arab workers. The land had less than 690,000 inhabitants .

94,000 Jews
70,000 Christians
525,000 muslims

But by your reckoning the Jews and Christians should not have a say in their own free determination and should for ever be seen as slaves and beasts of burden.

They were not illegal aliens at all as the arab leaders had agreed the migration of Jews to Palestine, on the understanding that they be given the lands of Syria and Jordan.

Those illegal aliens would not be moving into my backyard, the muslims already here would mass murder them.

 

[Phoenall]

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which is interesting, since they have no problem with all of the muslim countries in the region that were established by the UN after the war and there's never been a country that was "palestine" (other than occupied british territory, but whatchagonnado?)

but we know why that is.

There wasn't a country called "Israel" since about 600 BCE.

Incidently, I think what the LoN did in the Arab world was pretty horrible. Iraq is a polite fiction that is coming apart today after decades of oppression.

NOw, here's the thing. The plan the UN called for had Jerusalem as an open city and the land equally divided between Arabs and Jews.

NOt that anyone was going to have any of that! My Sky Pixie demands it!

If any other country pulled what Israel does, liberals like yourself would be screaming to the rafters.

Much like that kid I knew in College who was all enraged about South Africa and not bothered in the least by what Israel does.

Then do explain how it is that Israel is a democracy with many arab muslims and Christians living there in relative harmony. The partition plan gave the majority of the land to the muslims and the Jews got what was left . It was the arabs that refused the deal not the Jews, it was the arabs that decide on genocide as the solution not the Jews and it was the arabs that lost in the end not the Jews. Under the terms of the Geneva conventions Israel had the legal right to expel all those arabs that took up arms against them. So they did so and 5,000 arabs were forced to leave their homes and move to gaza or the west bank.


So what has Israel pulled that your country hasn't itself in your name ?

 

[Phoenall]

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people who aren't antisemitic should understand that if you are attacked by rockets sent into your country by terrorists, you get to respond.... and protect yourself.... even if you're a jew.

i don't see any obligation for a jew to die for terrorist scum or to satisfy anti-semites who like jews only when they're dead.

Ahhhh, Terrorists. The "T" word.

Okay, replace the word "jew' with "White", "Israel" with "South Africa" and "Arab" with "Black", and see if your logic still works.

Thanks.

Another variation of Goodwins law, and it must have been the subject matter in the mosque last Friday as all the muslims are using South Africa as a comparison to Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

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Because that was the law in those days, and the people that lived there did not have the right oppose the declaration. They were not indigenous to the area having came their to work on Jewish owned farms.
The only reason the muslims were against Jewish independence was because they wanted it all for themselves, and wanted to keep the Jews and Christians as their slaves

I realize that you live by the myth that Palestine was a desert that the Zionists made bloom, but the reality, ZIonism was a European Colonial Land grab.

Just like Rhodesia.

Here's a simple enough solution. One person, one vote. And if Likud and Labor have to deal with Hamas and Fatah across the table when discussing which way the country goes, that's democracy.

Otherwise, Israel is no more a "democracy" than the Jim Crow South was. You can't keep people in with fences and then call yourself a Democracy with a straight face.

Friday prayers and sermon must have been comparing Israel to South Africa and Rhodesia because the sympathy is slipping away from the Palestinians because of the refusal to talk peace.

Israel already has one person one vote, the Palestinians not being Israeli don't get to vote. Just as the Israeli's don't get to vote in the P.A. affairs, so don't try that old ISLAMONAZI trick as it wont work. The Palestinians have had plenty of chances to accept peace and mutually agreed borders and have turned them down.

 

[Phoenall]

Incidently, why is Israel any different than the Crusader States?

"God is on our side!"

Um, yeah, right.

Isn't that also the cry of the muslims, must be a very poor god they have all the defeats they have suffered in the last 15 years

Israel hasn't won a war without the US bailing them out since 1967. Their God must succk, too.

Evidence of this is what from an unbiased source ?

 

[The Rabbi]

jonathan pollard got a sentence far disproportionate to anyone else convicted of similar acts. time for him to go home.

Technically Jonathan Pollard is home. After all he is a so called American

He's not a so called American. He is an American. And he needs to stay in an American jail for a very long time, like the rest of his miserable life. It is irrelevant what others got. In any case no one ever turned over as much classified information as Pollard. The damage was limitless.

 

[Lipush]

jonathan pollard got a sentence far disproportionate to anyone else convicted of similar acts. time for him to go home.

Technically Jonathan Pollard is home. After all he is a so called American

His home is with his wife and his people in Israel.

Israel will welcome him with open arms as a hero and will appreciate his sacrifice.

His home is in Israel.

 

[Desperado]

jonathan pollard got a sentence far disproportionate to anyone else convicted of similar acts. time for him to go home.

Technically Jonathan Pollard is home. After all he is a so called American

He's not a so called American. He is an American. And he needs to stay in an American jail for a very long time, like the rest of his miserable life. It is irrelevant what others got. In any case no one ever turned over as much classified information as Pollard. The damage was limitless.

A traitor is a traitor, he is lucky he got a life sentence when he should have been shot instead.
The man should rot in jail.