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[JoeB131]

[ Have you ever dealt with muslims on a large scale, if you had you would see that they are a "hive mind" and to be dealt with in the same manner. The various nationalities of muslims all have the cultural make up, from marrying first cousins until the gene pool becomes depleted to practising beheadings from an early age. They follow a dictate that compels them to be violent or face death as violently as possible. They don't kill cleanly when they have to, instead they kill in a frenzy of blood lust. What you don't see is that they have started at the other end of Europe and their numbers are increasing slowly. Once they get to 10% of the population then they will start the take over.

Ah, yes, the fastest way to dehumanize someone.

THe whole, "They don't value life the way we do!"

Frankly, the way Europeans rationalized centuries of colonialism, slavery and genocide.

 

[JoeB131]

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But you cant generate the income to pay for the jobs or materials, unless you pay more in taxes. So either way you will see mass unemployment.

No, guy, you really won't. We had our greatest economic growth when we went full out Keynesian between 1940 and 1980.

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Check with your M.D. and see just how much comes from Israel and how much less it costs than the next cheapest. All part of the deal with Israel.
Then check with your local armed forces base on who is the cause of all your problems around the world and you will be told "the ayrabs sir"

I was in the armed forces, unlike most of you. We only have a problem with the "Arabs" because we keep messing with them.

 

[Phoenall]

Also Joe, Israel has fought every war with her own troops and intelligence. Supplying money and weapons is only a small part of why Israel won all those wars.
On the other hand the Arabs who fought against Israel in every way had PLENTY of support from other Arab states who didn't participate in the war directly. Funny how that is NEVER mentioned when haters like you constantly bring up that America supplied Israel with arms blah blah and money .

Guy, we subsidize Israel at a rate of 3 billion a year.

And we spend another couple billion paying off her neighbors to play nice.

That doesn't include the 100's of billions we spend playing Hall Monitor in the Middle East.

Of course, Israel doesn't fight its own wars. They didn't take out Saddam, we did. They didn't take out Khadafy, we did. ANd now they want us to take out Iran for them.

And get back 6 million in return

Nothing to do with Israel, they did not demand it

Then you should never have went in should you

Israel was told to stay out of both wars, and they did. The wars had nothing to do with Israel but all to do with oil $.
Israel has never asked the US to take out iran, in fact they have taken out iran themselves many times and iran has gone running to the USA for help.

 

[JoeB131]

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Why so the Nazi's like you can wipe them out.

They were invited by the LoN to migrate to their new National Home so they are there legally. Israel is pluralistic which is more than can said for any Palestinian state were non muslims are treated as slaves and less than animals. Just look at the Palestinian charter that calls for the death of all the worlds Jews. It seems that you are also thinking along the same lines and want the muslims to finish the Job started by Mohamed way back in 632 C.E.

Maybe the Palestinians should go back to Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Saudi were they belong as well...............

So you are buying that Zionist myth that Palestine had no one living in it before 1918? REally?

So if the UN passed a resolution saying that the states that were handed over after Mexican American War were rightfully Mexico's "National HOme", you'd be totally cool with those illegal aliens moving into your backyard?

Somehow, I don't think so.

 

[JoeB131]

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which is interesting, since they have no problem with all of the muslim countries in the region that were established by the UN after the war and there's never been a country that was "palestine" (other than occupied british territory, but whatchagonnado?)

but we know why that is.

There wasn't a country called "Israel" since about 600 BCE.

Incidently, I think what the LoN did in the Arab world was pretty horrible. Iraq is a polite fiction that is coming apart today after decades of oppression.

NOw, here's the thing. The plan the UN called for had Jerusalem as an open city and the land equally divided between Arabs and Jews.

NOt that anyone was going to have any of that! My Sky Pixie demands it!

If any other country pulled what Israel does, liberals like yourself would be screaming to the rafters.

Much like that kid I knew in College who was all enraged about South Africa and not bothered in the least by what Israel does.

 

[JoeB131]

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people who aren't antisemitic should understand that if you are attacked by rockets sent into your country by terrorists, you get to respond.... and protect yourself.... even if you're a jew.

i don't see any obligation for a jew to die for terrorist scum or to satisfy anti-semites who like jews only when they're dead.

Ahhhh, Terrorists. The "T" word.

Okay, replace the word "jew' with "White", "Israel" with "South Africa" and "Arab" with "Black", and see if your logic still works.

Thanks.

 

[Phoenall]

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Israel did not illegally set up a state. They legally declared independence after cessation of the Mandate.
And those 5 Arab states attacked Israel not the other way around. How you can claim that Israel started a war with all of them is beyond me.

As for the other ones, you still didn't refute anything I said.

Every single war was because of Arab aggression.

Fail. Again

So how do you legally declare independence when the people who live there are against it?

Hey, the whites in Rhodesia declared "independence" as well. But most of the world saw what they did as a power grab.

Because that was the law in those days, and the people that lived there did not have the right oppose the declaration. They were not indigenous to the area having came their to work on Jewish owned farms.
The only reason the muslims were against Jewish independence was because they wanted it all for themselves, and wanted to keep the Jews and Christians as their slaves

 

[Phoenall]

Israel is a modern day "Crusader State".

We all know how that turned out, eventually.

Yes with the Jews a proud people who will never again be walked all over.

 

[Phoenall]

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LOL. The Iraq and Libya war was was fought by America. Israel had nothing to do with it, just because it may have benefited them.
Stop blaming Israel for what the US did.

Yeah, so, right. SO when all these Zionists in Washington went ahead and insisted we needed to do that like Kristol and Krauthammer and a bunch of other guys who are not sure which country they are loyal to....

Of course, it was nice when AIPAC tried toget us into the middle of Syria's civil war, and finally, people said "ENOUGH!!!"

And of course you have evidence of all these allegations that would stand up before the Grand Jury and have all these people charged with treason ?

 

[JoeB131]

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Because that was the law in those days, and the people that lived there did not have the right oppose the declaration. They were not indigenous to the area having came their to work on Jewish owned farms.
The only reason the muslims were against Jewish independence was because they wanted it all for themselves, and wanted to keep the Jews and Christians as their slaves

I realize that you live by the myth that Palestine was a desert that the Zionists made bloom, but the reality, ZIonism was a European Colonial Land grab.

Just like Rhodesia.

Here's a simple enough solution. One person, one vote. And if Likud and Labor have to deal with Hamas and Fatah across the table when discussing which way the country goes, that's democracy.

Otherwise, Israel is no more a "democracy" than the Jim Crow South was. You can't keep people in with fences and then call yourself a Democracy with a straight face.

 

[Phoenall]

Incidently, why is Israel any different than the Crusader States?

"God is on our side!"

Um, yeah, right.

Isn't that also the cry of the muslims, must be a very poor god they have all the defeats they have suffered in the last 15 years

 

[JoeB131]

Israel is a modern day "Crusader State".

We all know how that turned out, eventually.

Yes with the Jews a proud people who will never again be walked all over.

Uh, huh.

Maybe you need to check your own Zionist propaganda.

Bye, the beloved country - why almost 40 percent of Israelis are thinking of emigrating Israel News | Haaretz

Shirlee’s gut analysis is interesting against the backdrop of a survey conducted for Haaretz by the market-research firm Meida Shivuki C.I., under the management of Noam Raz and Merav Shapira. The survey found that 37 percent of Israelis are considering a move to a different country at some time in the future.

 

[JoeB131]

Incidently, why is Israel any different than the Crusader States?

"God is on our side!"

Um, yeah, right.

Isn't that also the cry of the muslims, must be a very poor god they have all the defeats they have suffered in the last 15 years

Israel hasn't won a war without the US bailing them out since 1967. Their God must succk, too.

 

[Phoenall]

Incidently, why is Israel any different than the Crusader States?

"God is on our side!"

Um, yeah, right.

Most Israelis are secular, and all they are doing is trying to defend themselves against those who would like to destroy her. Meanwhile, in the other Middle Eastern countries, you can see people killing the minorities in the name of their religion.

Say, maybe Joe is the one who will be able to convince Hamas and Fatah to change their charters about destroying Israel. If he is successful, then he can go on to the heads of the Arab League and convince them to look at a map and see the enormous amount of land that they rules so one tiny piece of land shouldn't make that much of a difference to them.

I have no desire to convice Hamas of anything.

This is what you don't get. The Zionists and PLO can murder each other to the last man.

I really, honestly don't care and don't think it's worth one dollar of American treasure or one drop of American Blood.

The sheer stupidity of fighting over a strip of desert because an Imaginary Sky Pixie said so is the height of stupid, and we shouldn't be involved.

Will you be saying that when the muslims are killing and raping in the good ole USofA on the commands of their Imaginary Sky Pixie. I wonder if you will cry out to the god you don't believe in as the Palestinian arab hacks at your throat with a rusty knife.

 

[JoeB131]

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Will you be saying that when the muslims are killing and raping in the good ole USofA on the commands of their Imaginary Sky Pixie. I wonder if you will cry out to the god you don't believe in as the Palestinian arab hacks at your throat with a rusty knife.

GUy, the only reason why we have a problem with the "Muslims" is because the Zionists keep pissing them off.

Without the constant rub of Zionists on their most sacred land, they are a bunch of nomadic tribes arguing over water holes and how many Imams there were.

Sooo, not my problem.

 

[Phoenall]

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You probably are the type, Joe, that would have told Americans to stay out of World War II. Meanwhile, I think if you were really worried about U.S. money, you would also be complaining about the money we allocate to many different countries, plus you would be complaining about all the money the U.S. gives the UN even though so many of the member states hate America. That all you want to do is concentrate on one little area of the world tells an awful lot about you.

World War II, there was a compelling American interest.

And, no, Israel is our top recipiant of foreign aid. In second place is Egypt, which is effectively being bribed to honor hte Camp David Accords, which most Egyptians despise with a passion. (So much for "will of the people".)

That, of course, doesn't count the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars we spend every year playing politics in the middle east.

Americans are actually kind of stingy on foreign aid, and what we spend it on doesn't always go to good causes.

You forgot the blood money given to Saudi, or were you hoping that would not be mentioned. Don't they get more than Israel at the end of the day with their USAF fighters and the training needed to fly them. Then there is Jordan that wanted the same deal as Egypt before signing a peace deal. And lastly Pakistan that laughs at the USA while taking $billions in aid and spending it on killing American soldiers.

 

[Phoenall]

Actually, last I checked, America is still giving Israel $3 Million in grants

So YOU deal with it

Actually, it's 3 billion, but don't expect that to go on much longer if they start asking Granny to give up her social security check.

Why not she has already lost it to illegal immigrants flooding into America. The Obama government has lost all the welfare money the people paid in and need to raise taxes again so they can cover all the bills. How many $ trillions is America in debt now because of a neomarxist muslims inept leadership............

 

[Phoenall]

Actually, last I checked, America is still giving Israel $3 Million in grants

So YOU deal with it

Actually, it's 3 billion, but don't expect that to go on much longer if they start asking Granny to give up her social security check.

Yes billion, that is my mistake.

Ih, and we've also been hearing for decades that America will cut off Israel blah blah blah.

When it comes to anti Zionists like yourselves, it's always 'this WILL happen to Israel and THAT will happen to Israel and the Arabs WILL DO THIS to Israel@
It's always future tense. When are any of these things ACTUALLY going to happen?

The 12th of never, about 1 second after the sun goes cold and hell freezes over.

 

[JoeB131]

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World War II, there was a compelling American interest.

And, no, Israel is our top recipiant of foreign aid. In second place is Egypt, which is effectively being bribed to honor hte Camp David Accords, which most Egyptians despise with a passion. (So much for "will of the people".)

That, of course, doesn't count the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars we spend every year playing politics in the middle east.

Americans are actually kind of stingy on foreign aid, and what we spend it on doesn't always go to good causes.

You forgot the blood money given to Saudi, or were you hoping that would not be mentioned. Don't they get more than Israel at the end of the day with their USAF fighters and the training needed to fly them. Then there is Jordan that wanted the same deal as Egypt before signing a peace deal. And lastly Pakistan that laughs at the USA while taking $billions in aid and spending it on killing American soldiers.

Top 10 U.S. Foreign Aid Recipients - ABC News

Saudi Arabia isn't even on the top ten list.

Israel is on top, with Egypt and jordan in 5 and 6.

but I'm all for cutting off Pakistan, too.

 

[Manchester]

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World War II, there was a compelling American interest.

And, no, Israel is our top recipiant of foreign aid. In second place is Egypt, which is effectively being bribed to honor hte Camp David Accords, which most Egyptians despise with a passion. (So much for "will of the people".)

That, of course, doesn't count the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars we spend every year playing politics in the middle east.

Americans are actually kind of stingy on foreign aid, and what we spend it on doesn't always go to good causes.

You forgot the blood money given to Saudi, or were you hoping that would not be mentioned. Don't they get more than Israel at the end of the day with their USAF fighters and the training needed to fly them. Then there is Jordan that wanted the same deal as Egypt before signing a peace deal. And lastly Pakistan that laughs at the USA while taking $billions in aid and spending it on killing American soldiers.

Top 10 U.S. Foreign Aid Recipients - ABC News

Saudi Arabia isn't even on the top ten list.

Israel is on top, with Egypt and jordan in 5 and 6.

but I'm all for cutting off Pakistan, too.

Whilst I'm generally in favour of cutting aid to any country that has it's own nuclear weapons program as if they can make nukes they can feed their poor in the case of pakistan I think that the US aid buys a lot of friends inside the pakistani government and without them pakistan would be the sort of enemy that could cause a LOT of shit. Pakistan could easily be a serious threat to world peace and buying influence with them makes perfect diplomatic sense.