US gun deaths rise again

[danielpalos]

Gun Violence Archive

www.gunviolencearchive.org

I see that gun deaths for 2020 are already in excess of 2019. And there are two months to go yet. How can this be when guns make you safer ?

Defund the police forces. That'll solve the problem.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[harmonica]

Gun Violence Archive

www.gunviolencearchive.org

I see that gun deaths for 2020 are already in excess of 2019. And there are two months to go yet. How can this be when guns make you safer ?

good.....most of those killed are jackasses anyway

 

[whitehall]

You can do a lot with statistics. Mexico has a higher firearms death rate per capita than the U.S. and yet the Obama administration shipped thousands of firearms to Mexico and (mostly) democrats want unrestricted border access. The ironic thing is that democrat run cities with the tightest gun restrictions have the highest death rate from firearms.

 

[Adrenochrome Junkie]

Most of them are gang shootings.

But DemonRats only care about black people getting shot when it’s a white cop shooting them

 

[whitehall]

Gun violence is increasing in mostly democrat run cities and yet the movement is to defund the Police. How the hell does that work?

 

[hjmick]

How the hell does that work?

Poorly...

 

[toobfreak]

I see that gun deaths for 2020 are already in excess of 2019. And there are two months to go yet. How can this be when guns make you safer ?

SO, pin-brain, if you think you are SAFER unarmed in a fight than armed, then get up RIGHT NOW, take your fat ass out to the most dangerous part of London and walk around picking fights late at night.

Gun deaths are up this year because of all of the violence spurred in the streets by liberals like you. That is an independent stat from the number of crimes prevented or lives saved with guns.

Pretty hard to have a stat on things which DIDN'T happen (were deterred), especially when the anti-gun liberal media is focused on ignoring the issue.

 

[Polishprince]

Gun Violence Archive

www.gunviolencearchive.org

I see that gun deaths for 2020 are already in excess of 2019. And there are two months to go yet. How can this be when guns make you safer ?

The fact that your statistical argument includes the number of suicides by firearms shows that you aren't serious.

Suicides use the means available to them, jumping from bridges, poison or using sword to fall on render the suicide equally dead.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Lock-downs and unemployment cause suicides. . . duh.

Its the murder rate that is up.

skewed numbers and flat-out lying doesn't impress me

The deaths are all validated. Which ones do you have a problem with ?

they are skewed dumbass when you add suicide with violent murders it's called skewing the numbers

Suicides are dealt with seperately. This is just murder.

 

[MisterBeale]

Lock-downs and unemployment cause suicides. . . duh.

Actually solving our problems with our general welfare clause not just helping the Rich get richer would help solve that dilemma. Lockdowns and unemployment should not matter as much in modern broadband times.

Labor should have recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States. More people participating in the market for broadband services can only help develop that technology in a market friendly manner.

Dude, stop.

Everyone knows you're a communist. You are like a broken record. The topic of this thread is gun deaths, and here you are, with your same old rhetoric.

Go be an entrepreneur, or better yet, get a job.

 

[MisterBeale]

Lock-downs and unemployment cause suicides. . . duh.

Its the murder rate that is up.

2019 Deaths; willful, malicious, accidental - 15, 208
2020 Deaths; willful, malicious, accidental - 15, 228


So. . . . when I took debate for three years in high-school, and was on a Big Ten Debate squad, we had to prove HARM for our case, IOW, demonstrable impact. In a nation of 450 million people, you want to post a thread and highlight a rise in guns deaths of . . . .


20 DEATHS?!

Over 2 months to go yet. It will be several thousand by Xmas Day. Unless your guns start "protecting you".

20 extra all year. . . and you think there will be several thousand extra by Xmas day?

The only way that will happen is if there is political turmoil. . . and if that is the case? Well, that is why the founders gave folks guns in the first place. SO that folks can protect themselves.

DUH.

Well lets look at the figures. 15000 in 10 months = 1500 a month.
With two months to go that looks like there will be several thousand more fatalities by Xmas.
18000 looks a realistic figure.

Now show me your calcuations ?

 

[danielpalos]

Lock-downs and unemployment cause suicides. . . duh.

Actually solving our problems with our general welfare clause not just helping the Rich get richer would help solve that dilemma. Lockdowns and unemployment should not matter as much in modern broadband times.

Labor should have recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States. More people participating in the market for broadband services can only help develop that technology in a market friendly manner.

Dude, stop.

Everyone knows you're a communist. You are like a broken record. The topic of this thread is gun deaths, and here you are, with your same old rhetoric.

Go be an entrepreneur, or better yet, get a job.

Dude, there is no provision for excuses in our federal doctrine. Our welfare clause is General and must cover any given contingency not expressly about the common defense.

 

[2aguy]

Gun Violence Archive

www.gunviolencearchive.org

I see that gun deaths for 2020 are already in excess of 2019. And there are two months to go yet. How can this be when guns make you safer ?

Moron, the democrat party in the cities they control pulled back and attacked the police....that is causing the spike...you doofus.

Also, the democrat party has enacted no cash bail...which means criminals brought in for crimes are released without having to post money for bail so they are constantly walking out of jail...you doofus...

The democrat party is allowing criminals to run free in the cities they control......

Meanwhile, in reality...Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives, to stop rapes, robberies and murders......

 

[2aguy]

Lock-downs and unemployment cause suicides. . . duh.

Its the murder rate that is up.

skewed numbers and flat-out lying doesn't impress me

The deaths are all validated. Which ones do you have a problem with ?

they are skewed dumbass when you add suicide with violent murders it's called skewing the numbers

Suicides are dealt with seperately. This is just murder.

Actual statistic from the FBI...

Gun murder 2019, 10,258.

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

ucr.fbi.gov

 

[2aguy]

Gun Violence Archive

www.gunviolencearchive.org

I see that gun deaths for 2020 are already in excess of 2019. And there are two months to go yet. How can this be when guns make you safer ?

The cause of gun violence in the United States, and it's current rise in number is due to the left wing democrat party....and it's policies that force police to stop aggressive policing, and the democrat party judges and prosecutors who keep releasing captured gun offenders...

“I’m not surprised by the violence that’s been taking place,” Umbrino said at the Sunday press conference (full video below). “You know, I’m going to get in trouble, probably, for this, but if I hear one more politician talk about what we need to do to stop the violence; we need more gun laws, we need this, we need that — quite frankly, I’m going to vomit. These people who say that have no idea what they are talking about.”

“We have a lot of gun laws currently on the books that we don’t enforce. I shouldn’t say we don’t enforce — we enforce them, but you have individuals locked up for illegal hand guns, and being released from custody the next day,” he explained. “That’s disgusting. How does that happen?”

“So, if anybody is surprised that there’s been an uptick in violence, since we don’t enforce the current gun laws that we have, I don’t know what to tell ya. But those are the fact,” Umbrino continued. “These politicians that wanna say we need more gun laws, we need this, we need that, do me a favor: just stop talking, because you really don’t know what you’re talking about.”

“Come and ask anybody that lives in these neighborhoods,” the police captain said. “I’ve had conversations over the last three weeks with dozens of people who live in these neighborhoods … They don’t believe any of the stuff you’re saying. There needs to be accountability.”

RPD Capt. UNLOADS On Dem Policies Following Mass Shooting: ‘Going To Vomit’ If I Hear One More Politician Talk Gun Laws | The Daily Wire
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New York......
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As the Daily News reported, nearly half of all people accused of gun possession from March 16 to Aug. 17 were set loose without bail. Something tells me that a person carrying around an illegal gun has an intent to use it, can easily get another one, and is not at all afraid of catching the coronavirus. And Shea also reports that 160 gun arrests were made last week, a 25-year high.
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In fact, it seems easier to get a gun illegally here than to get approved for a license or permit and purchase one, as evidence by the recent eruption in firearm violence in our streets.

If we are the most anti-gun big city in America, how could we allow the number of shootings in 2020 to have already surpassed the number of shootings in 2019, with four months to go?

I thought the answer was pretty straightforward: The spike in shootings occurred right after the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes anti-crime unit in response to nationwide calls for police reform.

But when I recently met with Police Commissioner Dermot Shea, he explained that the NYPD is still arresting plenty of illegal gun holders. The problem, he said, is that very few of these criminals are actually being punished by New York’s revolving-door court system.

According to the NYPD, there are 2,152 individuals with open gun arrests between Jan. 1, 2019, and June 29, 2020. Of those individuals, 347 have prior gun arrests, 310 were on either probation or parole, 15 were arrested for shootings after their prior gun arrest, and 89 are wanted for or are suspects in shootings.

When they aren’t firing their weapons, they are at the scene bearing witness to shootings, with 147 of these individuals currently sought as witnesses, or being shot themselves, with 29 falling victim to gun violence.

But 1,937 of these individuals are no longer in custody.
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Look no further than the case of 18-year-old Micah Belton, who is currently in custody facing three attempted murder charges and a slew of gun charges.

He was arrested on May 28, 2019, for allegedly firing three shots and was charged with reckless endangerment and criminal possession of a weapon. He pled guilty to criminal possession of a weapon on Aug. 13, 2019, and was released from custody while awaiting sentencing.

Nine days later, Belton was arrested for another shooting and charged with reckless endangerment and criminal possession of a weapon. This time, he was held on bail for both his May and August arrests. But on Jan. 23, 2020, he was inexplicably released again even though he had appeared in court several times since August and was still not sentenced for the gun possession charge he pled guilty to.


Chicago, low cash/no cash bail and guns 9/8/20
More recently, Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx has introduced a new talking point. Here’s how she phrased it recently on Twitter: “The idea that individuals re-offend while released on bond is often used to explain violence. But, during the first half of 2020, of the 1,872 people arrested for a felony gun charge, only 1% of them (26 ppl) had been previously arrested in 2020 for an approved felony gun charge.”
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Foxx’s claim is skewed because she limits the amount of time that gun defendants are given to qualify as a re-offender. Her criteria allow someone arrested on January 1 six months to get caught with another gun, while someone arrested in June would have to be charged twice within the same month to qualify. So, she drives the re-offend statistic down by creating a tight window of opportunity for someone to get caught with another gun.
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A gun on CTA — then another gun on CTA
Back in May, we told you about Dante Webb, a 22-year-old man that police arrested for gun possession at the Armitage Brown Line station. Prosecutors said Webb’s backpack contained a 22-caliber revolver with a defaced serial number, nine rounds of ammunition, $4,165 worth of narcotics, two U.S. passports, two Colombian passports, two different Social Security cards, an Illinois driver’s license, a Connecticut driver’s license, and cash.

Prosecutors charged him with felony armed violence, felony possession of a defaced firearm, three felony counts of possessing a controlled substance, and five misdemeanor theft charges. Judge David Navarro allowed him to go home by posting a $1,000 deposit bond.

Less than two months later, on July 5, police arrested Webb again at the Roosevelt Red Line station after they found him with another loaded gun, according to court records. A CTA passenger approached officers who were patrolling the station and reported seeing a gun in the waistband of a man who had a Divvy bike. The cops found Webb riding a Divvy bike toward the Red Line platform, they said. Webb jumped from the platform with the Divvy bike and rode it along the tracks to get away, according to police. They found him hiding in the tunnel near an access ladder.

Prosecutors charged Webb with felony unlawful use of a weapon and misdemeanor reckless conduct.

Even though Webb was allegedly caught with guns twice in less than two months, he doesn’t qualify for Foxx’s re-offense statistic because his second gun arrest occurred after July 2.

Are NYC’s gun laws still tough?

Officials insist "affordable bail" does not contribute to Chicago violence, but court cases tell a different tale | CWB Chicago
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Berwyn, Illinois...

Berwyn police chief: Prosecutors are "managing a catch and release program" | CWB Chicago

The police chief of west suburban Berwyn wrote a lengthy Facebook post Wednesday after Cook County prosecutors refused to file charges against one of three persons he says were involved in a shooting there last week.

Chief Michael D. Cimaglia said the juvenile that prosecutors refused to charge “is currently out on bond for two previous shooting and firearm arrests.”

“The Assistant State’s Attorney’s Office appears to be managing a catch and release program,” Cimaglia wrote.

Berwyn investigators used video footage to identify three offenders and their vehicle, according to the chief. Fernando Diaz, an 18-year-old from Chicago, a juvenile from Berwyn, and another Berwyn teen who’s on bond for shooting and firearm arrests were arrested, he said.

Prosecutors charged Diaz and the first juvenile with aggravated battery with a firearm, according to Cimaglia, and his officers petitioned the second teen into juvenile court for the same charge.

But the juvenile with pending gun and shooting charges “has been released and all criminal charges have been dismissed by the Juvenile Assistant State’s Attorney Supervisor without or before having a Probable Cause Hearing,” Cimaglia wrote.

“In doing so, a violent offender has been released by the State back onto the City Streets of Berwyn,” he continued.
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New YOrk...
NYC Gangster Released Without Bond In Attempted Murder Case Participated In 3 Shootings Last Month: Feds | The Daily Wire

Darrius Sutton, an alleged Brooklyn gang member, was released without bail in May, despite facing an attempted murder charge, and has allegedly been involved in three shootings since his release.

“Sutton, 23, was hauled into court months ago for a May 16 shooting, during which he allegedly shot another man in the courtyard of an East New York building, seriously injuring the victim, according to the feds,” The New York Daily News reported. “Despite charges of attempted murder, criminal possession of a weapon and assault with intent to cause injury, Sutton was released in the state case without bail set, according to court documents.”


Sutton was reportedly set free after the sole witness in the case recanted.

“At the time of arraignment, the sole eyewitness had recanted so we did not have sufficient evidence to keep the defendant in custody,” a spokesman for the DA said in a statement. “The investigation is continuing and we hope other witnesses come forward.”

“Less than two months after being sprung, the purported Bloods gang member allegedly joined others in three drive-by shootings this summer,” The New York Post reported. “The gunplay took place between July 13 and 14 and were just a few of the six shootings in which Sutton participated over the past year, federal prosecutors allege.”


“The defendant’s violent spree over the last year has left at least seven individuals with gunshot wounds,” federal prosecutors wrote, according to The Post. “That these events did not lead to seven deaths is entirely fortuitous — the videos described above make clear that the defendant shoots to kill.”

Authorities took him into custody last week and he is now being held in federal custody.

Chicago

The Left’s Phony War on Guns | National Review

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.

Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime.

One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.

Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.

A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.

The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.

But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.

The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

 

[Papageorgio]

Lock-downs and unemployment cause suicides. . . duh.

Its the murder rate that is up.

You said gun deaths, not murders, however the suicide by gun rate is up.

 

[Rogue AI]

Gun violence is increasing in mostly democrat run cities and yet the movement is to defund the Police. How the hell does that work?

Its working as intended. Police were getting in the way of thug life.

 

[MisterBeale]

Lock-downs and unemployment cause suicides. . . duh.

Actually solving our problems with our general welfare clause not just helping the Rich get richer would help solve that dilemma. Lockdowns and unemployment should not matter as much in modern broadband times.

Labor should have recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States. More people participating in the market for broadband services can only help develop that technology in a market friendly manner.

Dude, stop.

Everyone knows you're a communist. You are like a broken record. The topic of this thread is gun deaths, and here you are, with your same old rhetoric.

Go be an entrepreneur, or better yet, get a job.

Dude, there is no provision for excuses in our federal doctrine. Our welfare clause is General and must cover any given contingency not expressly about the common defense.

It's part of the preamble. n00b!

It isn't even binding.

Are you even American? Were you raised here? Are you even a citizen?

Is English your first language or are you a foreign troll? Do you even want anyone to take you seriously with that argument? If you do. . YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME. . .

stahp already.

"Meaning and application

The Preamble serves solely as an introduction, and does not assign powers to the federal government,[3] nor does it provide specific limitations on government action. Due to the Preamble's limited nature, no court has ever used it as a decisive factor in case adjudication,[4] except as regards frivolous litigation.[5]"

Preamble to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

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[whitehall]

Strangely enough automobile fatalities are up while people are apparently driving less as a result of the Covid scare.

 

[MisterBeale]

Lock-downs and unemployment cause suicides. . . duh.

Its the murder rate that is up.

skewed numbers and flat-out lying doesn't impress me

The deaths are all validated. Which ones do you have a problem with ?

they are skewed dumbass when you add suicide with violent murders it's called skewing the numbers

Suicides are dealt with seperately. This is just murder.

Actual statistic from the FBI...

Gun murder 2019, 10,258.

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

ucr.fbi.gov

Awwww Shit. . .

2aguy has entered the gun thread. . . Tommy's ass is about to get handed to him.