US Democracy Experiment Ended By An Actor and a Game Show Host

[citygator]

The two most destructive administrations to American Democracy were the Actor Ronald Reagan's and the Game Show Host Donald Trump's administrations. Entertaining performers are not qualified to run a country and susceptible to ultimate corruption.

Discuss.

Reagan

• Put the US in a debt death spiral with Reaganomics/voodoo-economics (cut taxes and raise spending)
• Destroyed regulations that kept the economy competitive for the consumer's dollar
• Eliminated protections for Unions that kept them on equal footing with companies leading to half a century of wage stagnation
• Started the pathway to cut needed public programs from education spending to poverty support
• Welcomed and recruited the religious influence into politics destroying the separation of church and state
• Led the way to the top 1% consolidating the money into the largest wealth gap in the industrialized world

Trump

• Waging an all out war on intellectualism, science, education and research
• Eliminating the remaining poverty support for children and the needy, criminalizing homelessness
• Destabilizing long term world alliances that have kept stability for 80 years
• Dismantling the administrative state in critical life saving functional roles and responsibilities of the government
• Undermining equal protection and rule of law that has created a stable US society
• War on immigration which had previously powered the US economy, population growth, culture, and position as world leader
• Appointed and embraced corporate oligarchy into power
• Led the way to the top 1% consolidating the power into the largest reductions of freedoms in the free world

 

[martybegan]

The two most destructive administrations to American Democracy were the Actor Ronald Reagan's and the Game Show Host Donald Trump's administrations. Entertaining performers are not qualified to run a country and susceptible to ultimate corruption.

Discuss.

Reagan

• Put the US in a debt death spiral with Reaganomics/voodoo-economics (cut taxes and raise spending)
• Destroyed regulations that kept the economy competitive for the consumer's dollar
• Eliminated protections for Unions that kept them on equal footing with companies leading to half a century of wage stagnation
• Started the pathway to cut needed public programs from education spending to poverty support
• Welcomed and recruited the religious influence into politics destroying the separation of church and state
• Led the way to the top 1% consolidating the money into the largest wealth gap in the industrialized world

Trump

• Waging an all out war on intellectualism, science, education and research
• Eliminating the remaining poverty support for children and the needy, criminalizing homelessness
• Destabilizing long term world alliances that have kept stability for 80 years
• Dismantling the administrative state in critical life saving functional roles and responsibilities of the government
• Undermining equal protection and rule of law that has created a stable US society
• War on immigration which had previously powered the US economy, population growth, culture, and position as world leader
• Appointed and embraced corporate oligarchy into power
• Led the way to the top 1% consolidating the power into the largest reductions of freedoms in the free world

So to you separation of church and State means religious people can't participate in government?

The rest of this is AI created horse-shit.

 

[kflaux]

The two most destructive administrations to American Democracy were the Actor Ronald Reagan's and the Game Show Host Donald Trump's administrations. Entertaining performers are not qualified to run a country and susceptible to ultimate corruption.

Discuss.

Reagan

• Put the US in a debt death spiral with Reaganomics/voodoo-economics (cut taxes and raise spending)
• Destroyed regulations that kept the economy competitive for the consumer's dollar
• Eliminated protections for Unions that kept them on equal footing with companies leading to half a century of wage stagnation
• Started the pathway to cut needed public programs from education spending to poverty support
• Welcomed and recruited the religious influence into politics destroying the separation of church and state
• Led the way to the top 1% consolidating the money into the largest wealth gap in the industrialized world

Trump

• Waging an all out war on intellectualism, science, education and research
• Eliminating the remaining poverty support for children and the needy, criminalizing homelessness
• Destabilizing long term world alliances that have kept stability for 80 years
• Dismantling the administrative state in critical life saving functional roles and responsibilities of the government
• Undermining equal protection and rule of law that has created a stable US society
• War on immigration which had previously powered the US economy, population growth, culture, and position as world leader
• Appointed and embraced corporate oligarchy into power
• Led the way to the top 1% consolidating the power into the largest reductions of freedoms in the free world

Well, the most important meme introduced by Reagan was the denigration of gov't in favor of the private sector. His "the government is the problem" shtick. Which was supercharged by the collapse of the USSR, thus "proving" that Capitalism had "won".

Trumpism is more or less the predictable result.

 

[odanny]

I agree that these are two of the most destructive Presidents of the past century, Reagan has a particularly ugly legacy that has never received the scrutiny it deserves, Too many examples for one to list here, it's a question of where do you start? The blowback from secret wars and CIA operations that has led to widespread mass immigration into the U.S. from destabilized nations in South and Central America? How about the rise of Islamic terrorism? All of this was initiated by his actions. The corruption inside the military industrial complex siphoned off billions to a small coterie fo influential industrialists while spreading unrest and death all across the world.

All of that may pale in comparison to the destruction of democracy we are witnessing before our eyes. I thought the GOP campaign under Reagan to dumb down the country was terrible, but it is no comparison to the Great Leap Backwards under Trump.

Reagan was a master of the art of deception (his handlers, actually) whereas Trump has staffed all positions with loyal cultists who will act at his behest with no hesitation, no matter how illegal his orders might be.

There is no credible counterweight to his actions in Congress at the moment, as he holds majorities throughout.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Well, the most important meme introduced by Reagan was the denigration of gov't in favor of the private sector. His "the government is the problem" shtick. Which was supercharged by the collapse of the USSR, thus "proving" that Capitalism had "won".

Trumpism is more or less the predictable result.

Governments not the problem ?

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

[Rogue AI]

Finally, the pro-Soviet liberals are coming out of the shadows. That of course is the real reason they hate modern capitalist Russia. They wanted to emulate Stalin's Russia. Now all they have is Mao's China to look to. Just ask Swallwell and Feinstein.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The two most destructive administrations to American Democracy were the Actor Ronald Reagan's and the Game Show Host Donald Trump's administrations. Entertaining performers are not qualified to run a country and susceptible to ultimate corruption.

Discuss.

Reagan

• Put the US in a debt death spiral with Reaganomics/voodoo-economics (cut taxes and raise spending)
• Destroyed regulations that kept the economy competitive for the consumer's dollar
• Eliminated protections for Unions that kept them on equal footing with companies leading to half a century of wage stagnation
• Started the pathway to cut needed public programs from education spending to poverty support
• Welcomed and recruited the religious influence into politics destroying the separation of church and state
• Led the way to the top 1% consolidating the money into the largest wealth gap in the industrialized world

Trump

• Waging an all out war on intellectualism, science, education and research
• Eliminating the remaining poverty support for children and the needy, criminalizing homelessness
• Destabilizing long term world alliances that have kept stability for 80 years
• Dismantling the administrative state in critical life saving functional roles and responsibilities of the government
• Undermining equal protection and rule of law that has created a stable US society
• War on immigration which had previously powered the US economy, population growth, culture, and position as world leader
• Appointed and embraced corporate oligarchy into power
• Led the way to the top 1% consolidating the power into the largest reductions of freedoms in the free world

Constitutional Republic if you loons can't get that right how the **** do you expect anyone with more than an ounce of brain matter to take you seriously ?

 

[Mac1958]

Reagan's "government is the problem" was a great speech line, but it was shallow in the extreme. Government can only do what We the People allow it to. We've allowed it to become corrupt because we haven't changed the system under which it operates. That's on us, not "government".

And now, all these people who have boasted about "strength" and "independence" and "liberty" are bending over for a blatantly unwell authoritarian, because they think they're benefitting. They've sold out any morality that they may have had.

 

[22lcidw]

The two most destructive administrations to American Democracy were the Actor Ronald Reagan's and the Game Show Host Donald Trump's administrations. Entertaining performers are not qualified to run a country and susceptible to ultimate corruption.

Discuss.

Reagan

• Put the US in a debt death spiral with Reaganomics/voodoo-economics (cut taxes and raise spending)
• Destroyed regulations that kept the economy competitive for the consumer's dollar
• Eliminated protections for Unions that kept them on equal footing with companies leading to half a century of wage stagnation
• Started the pathway to cut needed public programs from education spending to poverty support
• Welcomed and recruited the religious influence into politics destroying the separation of church and state
• Led the way to the top 1% consolidating the money into the largest wealth gap in the industrialized world

Trump

• Waging an all out war on intellectualism, science, education and research
• Eliminating the remaining poverty support for children and the needy, criminalizing homelessness
• Destabilizing long term world alliances that have kept stability for 80 years
• Dismantling the administrative state in critical life saving functional roles and responsibilities of the government
• Undermining equal protection and rule of law that has created a stable US society
• War on immigration which had previously powered the US economy, population growth, culture, and position as world leader
• Appointed and embraced corporate oligarchy into power
• Led the way to the top 1% consolidating the power into the largest reductions of freedoms in the free world

The Great Society, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Programs put us on this course. Other government agencies that wasted trillions and trillions of dollars have caused this also. Your politicians go to parties with the 1 % constantly.

 

[martybegan]

Finally, the pro-Soviet liberals are coming out of the shadows. That of course is the real reason they hate modern capitalist Russia. They wanted to emulate Stalin's Russia. Now all they have is Mao's China to look to. Just ask Swallwell and Feinstein.

Don't forget Vietnam and Cuba.

North Korea is basically a Communist Monarchy at this point.

 

[22lcidw]

Reagan's "government is the problem" was a great speech line, but it was shallow in the extreme. Government can only do what We the People allow it to. We've allowed it to become corrupt because we haven't changed the system under which it operates. That's on us, not "government".

And now, all these people who have boasted about "strength" and "independence" and "liberty" are bending over for a blatantly unwell authoritarian, because they think they're benefitting. They've sold out any morality that they may have had.

The middle class was suffering by the late 1970's. Those in privileged work were doing okay. Most were not. Taxes increased massively during that decade and state, city and local governments contributed to that.

 

[citygator]

So to you separation of church and State means religious people can't participate in government?

The rest of this is AI created horse-shit.

Zero Ai biatch. It is very easy to link well worn concepts to a published support document.

 

[citygator]

Governments not the problem ?

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

The Governing are the problem. While the conservative leaders move to concentrate more wealth and power in the 1% they blame the very tool they are using and the very tool that is supposed to protect people from this happing. Thanks Citizen United for the assist.

 

[Kondor3]

This thread gets my vote for the Top Sour-Grapes Powerless Whining Bull$hit Thread of the Week.

Reagan attained office because the Democrats had us at 21% inflation, Oil Shortages and the shameful Iranian Hostage Crisis.

Trump attained office because the Democrats had allowed 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens into the country and generally failed.

Perhaps if you ditched the Illegal Aliens and Trannies and admitted to the Voters you were wrong you'll get another chance.

But until you can look in the mirror and realize that you-and-your-policies are why Reagan and Trump won...

You'll continue to sit in the Cheap Seats and engage in pointless and ineffective Rock-Throwing like we see here...

However... you're seen now for what you truly are... the Wrong Choice for America...

They've stopped listening to you... a majority of American Voters no longer want (or believe in) what you're selling...

It's not your messaging... it's your MESSAGE.

 

[Hellokitty]

 

[Rogue AI]

The Governing are the problem. While the conservative leaders move to concentrate more wealth and power in the 1% they blame the very tool they are using and the very tool that is supposed to protect people from this happing. Thanks Citizen United for the assist.

Yet liberal loons out spent Trump three elections in a row. Try harder.

 

[citygator]

Constitutional Republic if you loons can't get that right how the **** do you expect anyone with more than an ounce of brain matter to take you seriously ?

I have two BAs from University of Florida in economics and history and a masters from Michigan. I can assure you that we are a democracy just like I can assure you that chocolate ice cream is vanilla ice cream with chocolate in it.

 

[BlindBoo]

Not to worry. Our constitutional Republic has had many illiberal administrations in the past. We will have a chance to flip the script in a little over a year from now.

 

[martybegan]

Not to worry. Our constitutional Republic has had many illiberal administrations in the past. We will have a chance to flip the script in a little over a year from now.

there was nothing "liberal" about the Obama and Biden administrations.

 

[Rogue AI]

I have two BAs from University of Florida in economics and history and a masters from Michigan. I can assure you that we are a democracy just like I can assure you that chocolate ice cream is vanilla ice cream with chocolate in it.

You should try to get your money back. Your professors lied to you. We are a Republic.