US Birthrate Continues to Decline

[JohnDB]

Government spending needs to be cut, but neither side will cave on what they believe should be funded. I know that raising taxes isn’t the answer, it just further emboldens politicians to spend more and more.

If you ever did the math on how much you actually pay in taxes, it would amaze you. It isn’t just about federal/state income tax, property taxes or sales tax. Everything you purchase is higher because of the taxes paid by the company/person you are buying from. They must raise their prices to accommodate for higher taxes.

The funny part about raising taxes is that Democrats don’t want everyone to pay more taxes, just some. We need a flat federal tax rate, with no deductions. States can decide to continue raising their taxes as they please and people can move if they don’t like the tax code.

It baffles me that anyone would live in a high tax blue state that creates a lower standard of living. NY has double the government budget as FL with less population. One would think even leftist New Yorkers would question that instead of continually calling for more and more taxes.

Well,
There is an argument for import taxes (tarrifs) is actually better than income taxes because all those billionaires who just borrow money for their lifestyles and have no true income makes sense.

This way everything they purchase or lease is taxed in some fashion.
And the poor are taxed at the same rate as the wealthy person....by the goods and services they actually use.

If it's just basic necessities....they don't pay much. If it's luxury goods...they pay a LOT.

Seems fair enough. Not exactly a sales tax....but an all encompassing import tax would be awesome. From food to paper bags....everything imported is taxed and no more individual income tax.

 

[Marener]

Government spending needs to be cut, but neither side will cave on what they believe should be funded. I know that raising taxes isn’t the answer, it just further emboldens politicians to spend more and more.

If you ever did the math on how much you actually pay in taxes, it would amaze you. It isn’t just about federal/state income tax, property taxes or sales tax. Everything you purchase is higher because of the taxes paid by the company/person you are buying from. They must raise their prices to accommodate for higher taxes.

The funny part about raising taxes is that Democrats don’t want everyone to pay more taxes, just some. We need a flat federal tax rate, with no deductions. States can decide to continue raising their taxes as they please and people can move if they don’t like the tax code.

It baffles me that anyone would live in a high tax blue state that creates a lower standard of living. NY has double the government budget as FL with less population. One would think even leftist New Yorkers would question that instead of continually calling for more and more taxes.

This is all just an excuse to avoid responsibility of having to deal with massive budget deficits so that you can protect your own lifestyle.

While attacking others for the same thing.

The Republican Party are full of perpetual children.

 

[Papageorgio]

But is a fact. Person A says they're a woman. Is it not factual that it's what they said?

Your definition is "a woman is a female", isn't really a definition because now you have to define what a "female" is.

You can claim it's all about DNA, but there are problems with that definition. First, is that there are genetic conditions that affect our phenotype and can be nearly indistinguishable to people, including the individual affected by that genetic condition. The second problem is that no one goes around asking for DNA samples, which makes your definition practically useless.

You can say that about any definition, but then you can go to the definition of what a female is, no circular argument. Yours is by definition is a circular because your definition just goes round and round, and I know you are smarter than that.

I go by facts, you go by feelings, I really don’t care, but your position that it is educationally superior is not true. That was my point.

I respect your opinion but I disagree with it.

 

[initforme]

If they were just waiting longer, why would we be seeing a popluation decline?

Well, there is a percentage of young people that just don't want kids. They have other goals in life. So be it.

 

[Marener]

You can say that about any definition, but then you can go to the definition of what a female is, no circular argument. Yours is by definition is a circular because your definition just goes round and round, and I know you are smarter than that.

I go by facts, you go by feelings, I really don’t care, but your position that it is educationally superior is not true. That was my point.

I respect your opinion but I disagree with it.

I don't understand what you mean by a "circular argument". A woman is a person who says they're a woman. That's hardly circular. It doesn't go round and round.

Do you actually go by facts? I don't think you actually do. You claim that a woman is defined by their genes, yet you do not ever inspect anyone's genes, so it's not actually how you define a woman in practice.

 

[JohnDB]

And taxpayers need to pay more to the government.

But you don't want to do that because you'd rather have a new car than protect the future generations.

FYI I drive a 18yo chevy. I need a new ac compressor because the AC is out in it. I changed the dash module but it didn't help at all. So I did a bypass and tried it to get the compressor to kick in and it whined and refused to turn.

So no, I don't want a new vehicle. But I'm not happy with how much I send the government and how they waste it.

If I had the SS money they have collected on me over the decades and bought a simple S&P index fund I would be stupidly rich and living wealthy. As it is I get my $1800 check each month hearing how some illegal immigrants is getting over $4,000 in SS each month....plus Medicaide and free apartment and free daycare and free transportation and......
Then there the little homisexual Palestinian who needs free books and puppet shows @$10,000/ea to feel better about his sexual preferences.

Excuse me if I feel like I'm not getting what I paid for.

 

[SweetTea]

This is all just an excuse to avoid responsibility of having to deal with massive budget deficits so that you can protect your own lifestyle.

Except that the wealthy already take the most responsibility as they contribute far more than others.

While attacking others for the same thing.

Not at all the same thing. The wealthy already pay a higher percentage of their income than others. What you are your ilk endorse is that they pay even more. Why don’t YOU pay more to match the same percentage they pay? You may be in a lower bracket than me. Why should I pay more and more while you sit back and complain about not having enough “free” stuff?

 

[Marener]

FYI I drive a 18yo chevy. I need a new ac compressor because the AC is out in it. I changed the dash module but it didn't help at all. So I did a bypass and tried it to get the compressor to kick in and it whined and refused to turn.

So no, I don't want a new vehicle. But I'm not happy with how much I send the government and how they waste it.

If I had the SS money they have collected on me over the decades and bought a simple S&P index fund I would be stupidly rich and living wealthy. As it is I get my $1800 check each month hearing how some illegal immigrants is getting over $4,000 in SS each month....plus Medicaide and free apartment and free daycare and free transportation and......
Then there the little homisexual Palestinian who needs free books and puppet shows @$10,000/ea to feel better about his sexual preferences.

Excuse me if I feel like I'm not getting what I paid for.

I'm not happy about how the government spends money either, but that doesn't mean I want future generations to be crushed by debt because of it.

You can feel whatever you want, but it just shows you're acting like a perpetual child.

 

[Marener]

Except that the wealthy already take the most responsibility as they contribute far more than others.

And yet the wealthy are consistently increasing their share of wealth as inequality has widened dramatically in the last 50 years.

Not at all the same thing. The wealthy already pay a higher percentage of their income than others. What you are your ilk endorse is that they pay even more. Why don’t YOU pay more to match the same percentage they pay? You may be in a lower bracket than me. Why should I pay more and more while you sit back and complain about not having enough “free” stuff?

It's definitely the same thing. You've said that you don't want to pay higher taxes because you want a fancy car, fancy private schools, fancy house, fancy SECOND house, fancy vacations.

But you attack young people for not wanting children so that they can have the same things.

The only difference is that you are screwing over future generations who will have to pay higher taxes with fewer benefits and young people aren't hurting anyone.

 

[Papageorgio]

Government spending needs to be cut, but neither side will cave on what they believe should be funded. I know that raising taxes isn’t the answer, it just further emboldens politicians to spend more and more.

If you ever did the math on how much you actually pay in taxes, it would amaze you. It isn’t just about federal/state income tax, property taxes or sales tax. Everything you purchase is higher because of the taxes paid by the company/person you are buying from. They must raise their prices to accommodate for higher taxes.

The funny part about raising taxes is that Democrats don’t want everyone to pay more taxes, just some. We need a flat federal tax rate, with no deductions. States can decide to continue raising their taxes as they please and people can move if they don’t like the tax code.

It baffles me that anyone would live in a high tax blue state that creates a lower standard of living. NY has double the government budget as FL with less population. One would think even leftist New Yorkers would question that instead of continually calling for more and more taxes.

To get out of debt is simple, raise taxes, and cut spending, but that isn’t politically popular and if a president does get elected and implements it, they would be ousted the next election because it would mean all Americans would have to tighten their belts, pay more taxes, have less disposable income, which would shrink the economy.

Short term it is very unpopular and painful but in the long term it would benefit America as a whole.

Americans want instant gratification, nothing else seems to matter.

 

[Marener]

To get out of debt is simple, raise taxes, and cut spending, but that isn’t politically popular and if a president does get elected and implements it, they would be ousted the next election because it would mean all Americans would have to tighten their belts, pay more taxes, have less disposable income, which would shrink the economy.

Short term it is very unpopular and painful but in the long term it would benefit America as a whole.

Americans want instant gratification, nothing else seems to matter.

Simpson-Bowles was the last feasible solution. Now it's just caterwauling between one catastrophe to another.

 

[Papageorgio]

I don't understand what you mean by a "circular argument". A woman is a person who says they're a woman. That's hardly circular. It doesn't go round and round.

Do you actually go by facts? I don't think you actually do. You claim that a woman is defined by their genes, yet you do not ever inspect anyone's genes, so it's not actually how you define a woman in practice.

A circular definition is a logical fallacy where the term being defined is used within the definition itself, or where a set of definitions refers back to each other, creating a self-referential loop. It fails to provide new information because it assumes the term is already understood.

 

[JohnDB]

I'm not happy about how the government spends money either, but that doesn't mean I want future generations to be crushed by debt because of it.

You can feel whatever you want, but it just shows you're acting like a perpetual child.

The debt can be cleared EXTREMELY QUICKLY if congress will stop the spending. It's not like it has not been done before....like multiple times.
So .....we can pay the debt.

But by the children won't because we STILL ARE NOT HAVING LIVE BIRTHS

 

[Marener]

A circular definition is a logical fallacy where the term being defined is used within the definition itself, or where a set of definitions refers back to each other, creating a self-referential loop. It fails to provide new information because it assumes the term is already understood.

I'm just reflecting the reality that we do not engage with biological sex, but with expressed gender.

Gender can mean different things to different people at different times in different places. There is no "definition" because it is a concept rather than a fact.

 

[SweetTea]

Excuse me if I feel like I'm not getting what I paid for.

The ironic thing is that Democrats know they aren’t getting what they pay for. They want to throw someone else’s money into the trough.

 

[Marener]

To summarize the thread, the right hates women and thinks they're terrible people.

And they can't figure out why they don't want to have kids with them.

 

[JohnDB]

The ironic thing is that Democrats know they aren’t getting what they pay for. They want to throw someone else’s money into the trough.

Now if they began things like substantial tax breaks for having children....
Subsidized daycare (for real children).
Medical costs and salaries covered for maternity....

 

[JohnDB]

To summarize the thread, the right hates women and thinks they're terrible people.

And they can't figure out why they don't want to have kids with them.

No....
Nothing could be further from the truth.

And the truth is that American women have been sold a lie causing all sorts of them to have severe mental health problems and general unhappiness and loss of purpose.

That we want them to find true happiness and meaning in life by becoming a mother.

The statistics are ALL showing this to be the case.

 

[Marener]

No....
Nothing could be further from the truth.

And the truth is that American women have been sold a lie causing all sorts of them to have severe mental health problems and general unhappiness and loss of purpose.

That we want them to find true happiness and meaning in life by becoming a mother.

The statistics are ALL showing this to be the case.

You think their only purpose is to be a mother.

No wonder women think you guys are assholes.

 

[Papageorgio]

Simpson-Bowles was the last feasible solution. Now it's just caterwauling between one catastrophe to another.

And it didn’t pass because the two parties didn’t want it to pass for fear of losing support and not getting re-elected. That is why term limits for Congress could help push them to do the right tough decisions. But I am not sure that would help.

I am really disgusted by both sides of the aisle and don’t think there are solutions if we don’t demand term limits, demand a balanced budget, demand big money out of politics, demand Congress is not allowed to do insider trading, demand that lobbyist to be curtailed on what they do to sway congressional members.

We need reform so we can reform.