US Birthrate Continues to Decline

[theHawk]

Nope

You literally were complaining about Republicans wanting to end birthright citizenship. Yes, you do approve of brown skinned immigrants, legal and illegal. Don’t pretend otherwise.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Two things...
The 1800 is a rough estimate....AFTER TAXES AND MEDICARE.

And I was a business major. I knew exactly what I was getting screwed out of. I even paid attention to the old drunk (retired Air Force)in economics classes.

And where my ex wife would have loved to access my retirement to fund her retail spending life. She couldn't then. The Laws can be written to keep that from happening. Not difficult whatsoever. Especially if that $50,000 turns into barely $5,000 after cashing out plus a lecture on how you WILL be eating pet food during retirement.

If I were a business major and ended up in retirement with a below average SS check.

I'd go back to the school and ask for a refund.

WW

 

[candycorn]

I disagree. For one, fertility is on the decline basically everywhere. Some countries have dramatically more support for children than others, but it makes little difference. South Korea has a cataclysmic drop in birthrates and spending wildly to try and increase them, but it's made absolutely no difference.

Fertility tracks with religiosity, which shouldn't surprise anyone, and deserves to be discussed.

When you put it that way...i see what you mean.

 

[Marener]

No depression. No world war. Poverty is WAY down. And many other things.

The depression and world wars were episodic and on the grand spectrum, short lived. The lack of these cataclysms is hardly evidence that the world is better off, because for most of the history of this country, we were not experiencing world war or depression.

The poverty rate is a much larger conversation, considering it's a very artificial and very arbitrary definition that hasn't been meaningfully updated since it's inception in the 1960s.

How are the schools in this country? What's going on with rates of autism? Why are people so much less healthy? How are we going to handle crushing government debt? Why do random acts of violence seem to be happening more frequently? Why are we so much more isolated? What effect does social media have on our happiness? Why are so many people unable to afford a house?

Is there an economic future for kids who don't have wealthy parents and can't go to fancy private schools?

Not to mention global warming, which I doubt you care about anyway.

 

[candycorn]

You literally were complaining about Republicans wanting to end birthright citizenship. Yes, you do approve of brown skinned immigrants, legal and illegal. Don’t pretend otherwise.

I don’t think citizenship should depend on skin color.

You do.

Don’t pretend otherwise.

 

[theHawk]

I don’t think citizenship should depend on skin color.

You do.

Don’t pretend otherwise.

Of course I do. It’s called preserving our culture. Unlike you I don’t hate white people and Western culture. I don’t want to see it destroyed by importing a hundred million Africans/Muslims to replace us.

 

[candycorn]

Of course I do.

No kidding.

It’s called preserving our culture.

No. It’s called bigotry.

Unlike you I don’t hate white people and Western culture. I don’t want to see it destroyed by importing a hundred million Africans/Muslims to replace us.

I do enjoy your bathing yourself in racism one day and complaining that you’re being called a racist the next.

 

[JohnDB]

Oh, and BTW - I take offense at this.

As a formaly drunken sailor, when going out on liberty I knew exactly how much money was in my pocket and how much I had to send. I would cross the gangplank, head into port, spend my money, get drunk, return to the ship.

There were no problems with my finances.

WW
ATC (AW/NAC)
USN, Ret.

Unless you walked back to the ship naked (from being beaten and robbed while drunk) except for your ID....you really weren't that drunk.

 

[gipper]

Society is dysfunctional, the planet is dysfunction, and people have lost faith in the ability for mankind to improve our current situation.

Having children in that environment is an incredibly scary proposition. The fear is felt first and has a hard time overcoming the expectation of joy (if it even is expected).

All true, but that doesn’t change anything. This is all a psychological operation anyway. I intend to enjoy life as much as I can, but see death as a welcome gift the older I get.

 

[Dragonlady]

Well,
There is an argument for import taxes (tarrifs) is actually better than income taxes because all those billionaires who just borrow money for their lifestyles and have no true income makes sense.

This way everything they purchase or lease is taxed in some fashion.
And the poor are taxed at the same rate as the wealthy person....by the goods and services they actually use.

If it's just basic necessities....they don't pay much. If it's luxury goods...they pay a LOT.

Seems fair enough. Not exactly a sales tax....but an all encompassing import tax would be awesome. From food to paper bags....everything imported is taxed and no more individual income tax.

How to tell us you're don't have even the vaguest understanding of the economy or how it functions without using the words. You need to take a basic economics course to realize the complete ignorance you display in your post.

You've made no mention whatsoever about the wages paid to executives and members of the top 10% which have increased by more than 1000% since the 1980's, while the wages of the bottom 50% have stagnated or are now substantially less in purchasing power, than they were in 1980.

No mention of the impoverishing of the working class, or the shrinking American middle class. No mention of the transfer of 80% of the wealth of the nation to the top 10% of large corporations and top earners.

There has been no increase in the minimum wage since 2008, and Trump's solution is to eliminate income tax on tips and overtime. The is the equivalent of tossing working people peanuts, while giving the richest of the rich, billions of dollars - all on the national credit card.

There is no "argument" that tariffs on all imports are better for the economy. There isn't a single reputable economist that says they are, unless they're a member of the Trump White House. Even those White House staffers who are saying the tariffs are a good idea, said the opposite when they were working on Wall Street.

Before you post on your economic theories and reveal your ignorance to all, it would be better if you learned something about how the economy works.

 

[Dragonlady]

Society is dysfunctional, the planet is dysfunction, and people have lost faith in the ability for mankind to improve our current situation.

Having children in that environment is an incredibly scary proposition. The fear is felt first and has a hard time overcoming the expectation of joy (if it even is expected).

Wrong again. The USA is dysfunctional. Not the entire planet. Your nation has lost its way and is being controlled by criminals.

When you can't afford food and shelter for yourself, having children is a fiscal liability.

 

[Marener]

All true, but that doesn’t change anything. This is all a psychological operation anyway. I intend to enjoy life as much as I can, but see death as a welcome gift the older I get.

Psychological operation?

You always have to make it weird.

 

[sartre play]

How could the population levels not go down?

After all, the US is submerged in a Progressive culture of abortion, gender confusion, birth control, and a me first mentality which disallows them from putting family over self. It is a culture who is also now struggling financially, thanks to governmental policies that have promoted increased inflation, inflation that was 100% created by government. They can't even afford themselves so how can they afford a family? I was reading just the other day that last year Planned Parenthood has done a record number of abortions, even though Roe vs. Wade was overturned, and gender confusion among children is up some 4000% since their gender theories have been preached in schools.

But I thought this was the whole Progressive plan all along, which was to decrease population levels. So, break out the champaign and celebrate your accomplishment, and have plenty of lube and tissues at the bedside as well.

Now I will just sit back and listen to you blame this all on Trump per usual.

Go!!!!

ITS not about blame. the constant numbers of children being killed in schools and on our streets, May make people think twice about having more baby's, plus the increase in the cost of living for average Americans.

 

[JohnDB]

When you put it that way...i see what you mean.

In the nation's where birth control is illegal (of course abortion is illegal as well) or is extremely discouraged (complete societal ostracization)

Those are the ones where live birth rates are above full replacement. However, many of these are having armed conflicts which reduces population. (Muslims)

The depression and world wars were episodic and on the grand spectrum, short lived. The lack of these cataclysms is hardly evidence that the world is better off, because for most of the history of this country, we were not experiencing world war or depression.

The poverty rate is a much larger conversation, considering it's a very artificial and very arbitrary definition that hasn't been meaningfully updated since it's inception in the 1960s.

How are the schools in this country? What's going on with rates of autism? Why are people so much less healthy? How are we going to handle crushing government debt? Why do random acts of violence seem to be happening more frequently? Why are we so much more isolated? What effect does social media have on our happiness? Why are so many people unable to afford a house?

Is there an economic future for kids who don't have wealthy parents and can't go to fancy private schools?

Not to mention global warming, which I doubt you care about anyway.

Your take is Kinda funny....
So the 100 year war lasted how long?
Crusades? How many were there?
Spanish inquisition?
(Bonus question is how Many inquisitions were there?)
Reformation lasted how long? (It wasn't bloodless)
Ottoman empire was cuddly right? Ghengis Khan never said a cross word to anyone ever right?
The bubonic plague in Europe was a nothing in all reality right?


The world has never NOT been at war. War is ongoing everywhere most years. The 80,000 Christians in Africa weren't slaughtered by happenstance by angry atheists. (Muslims). This century, the Muslims seem to be the ones starting most of the armed conflicts in the world.

The USA has experienced more peacetime inside its borders than any other nation in history. The ONLY times were Hawaii, Grenada, and 9-11. All three extremely limited because the Department of War fought back and absolutely destroyed all elements of the enemy, their families, and any known associates. About the same as what the French Foreign Legion did with their terrorist problem in the 50's & 60's. They left ashes in the sand....nothing survived them.

 

[JohnDB]

How to tell us you're don't have even the vaguest understanding of the economy or how it functions without using the words. You need to take a basic economics course to realize the complete ignorance you display in your post.

You've made no mention whatsoever about the wages paid to executives and members of the top 10% which have increased by more than 1000% since the 1980's, while the wages of the bottom 50% have stagnated or are now substantially less in purchasing power, than they were in 1980.

No mention of the impoverishing of the working class, or the shrinking American middle class. No mention of the transfer of 80% of the wealth of the nation to the top 10% of large corporations and top earners.

There has been no increase in the minimum wage since 2008, and Trump's solution is to eliminate income tax on tips and overtime. The is the equivalent of tossing working people peanuts, while giving the richest of the rich, billions of dollars - all on the national credit card.

There is no "argument" that tariffs on all imports are better for the economy. There isn't a single reputable economist that says they are, unless they're a member of the Trump White House. Even those White House staffers who are saying the tariffs are a good idea, said the opposite when they were working on Wall Street.

Before you post on your economic theories and reveal your ignorance to all, it would be better if you learned something about how the economy works.

The economic model you think exists does not exist.

If everything imported into the US is taxed through tarrifs....EVERYONE pays taxes in proportion to how much they spend. If they save or invest their money no taxes are paid on their investments.

The USA us no longer a producing nation. We are a consumer nation. We consume multiples more than we export every year.
They no longer report on the trade deficit because it's a ridiculous number and the reporting is not reflective of reality anymore anyway.
(Especially with our many multinational conglomerate corporations)

So....if every crumb, morsel, and pencil box is taxed on its entry into the USA....it becomes a flat tax. Zero special privileges to anyone for anything. Even your 501C-3 organizations pay taxes on things they purchase like protest signs.

Of COURSE Wall Street does not want tarrifs. They haven't paid much in taxes since I can remember. There exists a whole industry in finding loopholes for Wall Street....I rode the train with them. (And lots of others)

And if you actually paid attention in economics class I'd be surprised. I was the only one awake in college.

 

[gipper]

Psychological operation?

You always have to make it weird.

Thank you.

 

[JohnDB]

Wrong again. The USA is dysfunctional. Not the entire planet. Your nation has lost its way and is being controlled by criminals.

When you can't afford food and shelter for yourself, having children is a fiscal liability.

Ummm
No.
Only liberals are dysfunctional.
I know it seems that the entire world is dysfunctional when you are a liberal....but it just isn't reality.

And the notion of having huge issues in economic self sustenance....it's a myth.

The Homeless are homeless by and large by choice. Not because of temporary mental health issues of depression or job loss....but by lack of desire for any responsibility....to the point of not wanting to pay rent or light bills.

I remember how the Great Depression was created....and it wasn't the Conservatives who caused it. Let's not kid ourselves here.

 

[Sparker]

Farmers have big families, where kids are farm workers. Urbanites and suburbanites see kids as expenses. Dual income families have childcare expenses. They may decide to never have kids because they don't expect to ever have careers that can support kids. That can be a smart individual decision, but the collective result is a top heavy demographic, the huge boomer population and fewer kids. And then with more factors reducing the birthrate, we'll be short of kids for a long time. Senior care will slip as we run out of people who can do or pay for it. But seniors doing childcare may return, and that work may have some effect in delaying senility and end of life despair. There probably will be more multigenerational households as expenses rise.