UNPROFESSIONALISM and DEVOID of manners

[BackAgain]

My voice will affect the discussion not at all because we aren’t going to put it to a vote. Still, the OP asks a legitimate series of questions. I’ve been the subject of mod scrutiny for several of my posts plus a thread or two. For the most part, they have been accurate and fair. But when I got the notice of a short ban, I had no clue (until I returned) as to which of my posts had crossed the line or which line had been crossed. There was also no method of challenging a ruling. (In my own ban case, I wouldn’t have had a valid challenge anyway.) I mean, mea culpa. But I instinctively look for fairness. And when there is no notice of the alleged offense, sanctions have already been imposed and there’s no way to communicate to question/challenge a ruling, there is a lack of fairness or transparency.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The more money and sexual favours you give the mods, the less hassle you get, allegedly.

 

[BlackSand]

My voice will affect the discussion not at all because we aren’t going to put it to a vote. Still, the OP asks a legitimate series of questions. I’ve been the subject of mod scrutiny for several of my posts plus a thread or two. For the most part, they have been accurate and fair. But when I got the notice of a short ban, I had no clue (until I returned) as to which of my posts had crossed the line or which line had been crossed. There was also no method of challenging a ruling. (In my own ban case, I wouldn’t have had a valid challenge anyway.) I mean, mea culpa. But I instinctively look for fairness. And when there is no notice of the alleged offense, sanctions have already been imposed and there’s no way to communicate to question/challenge a ruling, there is a lack of fairness or transparency.

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Mods do have oversight, and their deliberations may not include an open discussion of all considerations ...
or the inclusion of the poster who may want to challenge the final ruling.

I could be wrong ... But it is my understanding that serious corrective actions are often not taken lightly by the staff.
It's also possible they don't openly disclose all the deliberations, just to avoid giving the poster more stuff to try and argue with ...
Thus, assisting the poster in not providing them with more reasons to get themselves in trouble.

Allowing a poster some time to contemplate their ban and cool off ...
Prior to opening any avenue for discussion, is not always a bad idea.

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[BackAgain]

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Mods do have oversight, and their deliberations may not include an open discussion of all considerations ...
or the inclusion of the poster who may want to challenge the final ruling.

I could be wrong ... But it is my understanding that serious corrective actions are often not taken lightly by the staff.
It's also possible they don't openly disclose all the deliberations, just to avoid giving the poster more stuff to try and argue with ...
Thus, assisting the poster in not providing them with more reasons to get themselves in trouble.

Allowing a poster some time to contemplate their ban and cool off ...
Prior to opening any avenue for discussion, is not always a bad idea.

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They aren’t obligated to provide fairness or transparency. And I never said they are. I think I qualified my point up front.

Still and all, it doesn’t serve the purpose of having me “think about” my error if they don’t even tell me which post crossed the line and where that line exists.

In my case, I had ridden one member pretty hard. I thought maybe that’s one of the posts they were sanctioning? But I took a moment to re-read their rules and saw a pretty clear rule which I had violated. (Even if another board member is an anonymous jerkoff, the Board forbids us from claiming that they engage is bestiality. I said such a thing. Of course I was being merely rhetorical. I have no idea if that member would ever do such a thing since I don’t know that other member’s real life identity at all.)

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I've come across this several times on here. I've seen a lot of comments about it too.

Mods and admins banning people, removing posts, or other such things, and cannot even be bothered to tell those people the actions are taken on, WHY they were banned, WHY their post/thread was removed, or any such PROFESSIONAL manners towards members.

They cannot even bother to tell you WHICH post or thread they deleted or removed. I think who owns this site? I'd really like to know.

NO professionalism, NO manners of any kind. Another reason this country is failing as such a high rate of sound breaking speed. People in these positions don't give a damn....just like all the corrupt and egomaniacal CEO's in many of the businesses in this country.

There are one or two mods/admins that have the professionalism and class to let people know whats going on.....too bad the others don't give a rats ass about anything except power.

This is a free forum, the Mods do what they do for free. If you do not like it, move on to a different forum.

 

[BlackSand]

They aren’t obligated to provide fairness or transparency. And I never said they are. I think I qualified my point up front.

Still and all, it doesn’t serve the purpose of having me “think about” my error if they don’t even tell me which post crossed the line and where that line exists.

In my case, I had ridden one member pretty hard. I thought maybe that’s one of the posts they were sanctioning? But I took a moment to re-read their rules and saw a pretty clear rule which I had violated. (Even if another board member is an anonymous jerkoff, the Board forbids us from claiming that they engage is bestiality. I said such a thing. Of course I was being merely rhetorical. I have no idea id that member would ever do such a thing since I don’t know that other member’s real life identity at all.)

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You don't have to tell me ... I'm working with close to a decade of experience here.

If you ever need tips on how not to get banned, regardless of the fact I may be one of the most obnoxious posters ...
And have pushed the envelope to a point of outright public insubordination and calls for open revolt in the Forums ...

I might consider doing a workshop some time ...
Shoot, you think this place is wild now ... Pfft, more like a walk in the park on Sunday.

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[Dogmaphobe]

If I am outside the rules ban me, pretty simple. Dickhead.

I am in no position to ban you, but I do know that your continued presence in this thread provides a perfect example of the favoritism that is played here.

Some here can violate any rule they wish. Others are censored even if they haven't broken any rules.

It all depends on whether you flatter their egos or whether you challenge them to be fair and consistent.

 

[BackAgain]

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You don't have to tell me ... I'm working with close to a decade of experience here.

If you ever need tips on how not to get banned, regardless of the fact I may be one of the most obnoxious posters ...
And have pushed the envelope to a point of outright public insubordination and calls for open revolt in the Forums ...

I might consider doing a workshop some time ...
Shoot, you think this place is wild now ... Pfft, more like a walk in the park on Sunday.

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Nah. I’m good. And to be clear, again, I believe I was fairly banned for that post. I am addressing only some technical issues and offering a couple of suggestions.

 

[ClaireH]

For me it comes down to the no pay thing. Would paid moderators result in applying different standards or the same currently used? Should I expect an unpaid worker to give me the quality I expect from a paid worker? Kind of reminds me of Socialism in that respect lol Sorry to all good mods working for free!

I’ve had two posts removed by 2 different moderators for disclosure, and after inquiring I learned that both were justified (CDZ can be challenging lol).

I am not denying there might be a little bit of favoritism going on with certain posters, but as humans it’s pretty hard to remove our DNA genetic pre-programming of loyalty-initially used as a survival tactic. Heck, many people still use it as a survival tactic. We can’t take the humanness out of ourselves as much as we might try, until we become part AI part human. By then we’ll be able to take out attributes such as loyalty. Regressive decisions ahead during expedited progression. Not exactly advancement.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

For me it comes down to the no pay thing. Would paid moderators result in applying different standards or the same currently used? Should I expect an unpaid worker to give me the quality I expect from a paid worker? Kind of reminds me of Socialism in that respect lol Sorry to all good mods working for free!

I’ve had two posts removed by 2 different moderators for disclosure, and after inquiring I learned that both were justified (CDZ can be challenging lol).

I am not denying there might be a little bit of favoritism going on with certain posters, but as humans it’s pretty hard to remove our DNA genetic pre-programming of loyalty-initially used as a survival tactic. Heck, many people still use it as a survival tactic. We can’t take the humanness out of ourselves as much as we might try, until we become part AI part human. By then we’ll be able to take out attributes such as loyalty. Regressive decisions ahead during expedited progression. Not exactly advancement.

The advantage to having paid moderators would be incumbent on them just being moderators, and not posters, as posters express points of view, develop animosities and alliances accordingly, and then select the people they do not like to censor while giving preferential treatment to their friends.

 

[ClaireH]

The advantage to having paid moderators would be incumbent on them just being moderators, and not posters, as posters express points of view, develop animosities and alliances accordingly, and then select the people they do not like to censor while giving preferential treatment to their friends.

I can see the dilemma when a person is a moderator and a poster, and how many would moderate daily for free without having the option to post? One helpful thing in chat is “wearing a hat” while in mod zone and removing it when posting. I’ve read something similar to that being mentioned on here. I know that message boards are different than chat rooms, but the loyalty factor is way more obvious on chat because they can just zap a person for one comment and get by with it, if the room owner supports it. It’s easy to see which moderator promotes which side, and it does come to that on political chat sites with “room owners”. The room owner can pretty much call the shots; they set up a tag line to draw in specific people, mostly along partisan lines in the majority of rooms.

To me, the board format is a lot better because it’s lower stress. Here I can think before typing although I still spout off in response to certain posters, but the rules help keep me aware of the limits more.

I meant to add I accepted a hat in 2 different rooms but soon stopped going altogether because it took the fun out of it for me. Death threats and the like was the norm in some rooms- crazy rooms.

 

[BlackSand]

The advantage to having paid moderators would be incumbent on them just being moderators, and not posters, as posters express points of view, develop animosities and alliances accordingly, and then select the people they do not like to censor while giving preferential treatment to their friends.

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Yo Dog ... Were you here before the management burned the Tavern down, built the Lounge in a safe space ...
And revamped the reaction system they had back when roving hordes of Progressive asshats would set their alarms
for the middle of the night just so they could wake up and neg you every 24 Hours?

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[Dogmaphobe]

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Yo Dog ... Were you here before the management burned the Tavern down, built the Lounge in a safe space ...
And revamped the reaction system they had back when roving hordes of Progressive asshats would set their alarms
for the middle of the night just so they could wake up and neg you every 24 Hours?

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I think that may have occurred just a little bit before I got here.

The hive mind does have its ways, doesn't it?

 

[Coyote]

I've come across this several times on here. I've seen a lot of comments about it too.

Mods and admins banning people, removing posts, or other such things, and cannot even be bothered to tell those people the actions are taken on, WHY they were banned, WHY their post/thread was removed, or any such PROFESSIONAL manners towards members.

Not sure if this thread should be answered or closed...but I will give it a try and we'll see where it goes.

Removing posts - some of us put in a reason, some of us don't, sometimes we are overwelmed when a thread is just thoroughly messed up. I usually try to put in a reason.

If we don't say "why" in the deletion - we ALL can see what we ALL have done. PM any one of us and we will try to look it up. You pm'd me on one item - which I never could find what happened with it. You can pm me on others, if I don't follow up well, you have permission to bug me. Or you can pm another mod.

The issue with banning is a bit different. The most frequent ban is a temporary ban based on points accumlated (I think 5 points will give you an automatic time out). This is not anything WE are doing. It's automatic and done by the forum software. If you get infracted - you should get an automatic message saying why. I don't know what it looks like at your end (does it tell you how many points you got or when they expire?). If you feel the information is insufficient - pm one of us. An infraction always has a mod attached so you know who gave it. We really can't tell you why you were banned ahead of the banning when it's the automatic ban because we don't and really can't keep track of every single poster to see when they will reach 5 points.

They cannot even bother to tell you WHICH post or thread they deleted or removed. I think who owns this site? I'd really like to know.

Usually we can, all mod actions and deletions are listed so we can go through them if we have enough information on what we are looking for.

NO professionalism, NO manners of any kind. Another reason this country is failing as such a high rate of sound breaking speed. People in these positions don't give a damn....just like all the corrupt and egomaniacal CEO's in many of the businesses in this country.

We are only human, we are volunteers. When we get missives from posters full of expletives and unusual sexual gymnatics, it does tend to make us not want to be very polite.

There are one or two mods/admins that have the professionalism and class to let people know whats going on.....too bad the others don't give a rats ass about anything except power.

 

[Coyote]

My only gripe is they give ya a time out, pm you that you are timed out, but ya can't read it cuz...yep...yer in a time out. No access to read WHY you got the time out. That's kinda dumb. But...their beach, their waves.

Can't always do that Gracie, if it's automatic based on points.

 

[AMart]

Mods are very hands off here especially compared to other forums.

 

[Gracie]

Can't always do that Gracie, if it's automatic based on points.

See? See? Sure could use that informative button cuz I didn't know that. I just thought it wonky, lol

 

[Coyote]

Reading through the thread I see specific mod actions are discussed. That's a no no. Closed. PM us.