Completely different situations, are treated completely differently? What a shock.
My point was about Pogo's claim that the memorials were put up to somehow support White Supremacy instead of the normal reasons communities put up memorials..
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Which they were, and not by the communities but by (primarily) the UDC who were on a massive propaganda campaign, a larger part of which involved screening and rewriting American history books in the South, as noted earlier. These communities neither erected these monuments nor did they ask for them; they were DONATED by the UDC after THEY commissioned and purchased them.
In one instance that readily comes to mind, "Silent Sam" in this state, where in the 1913 dedication (note again the consistent date) not only was the UDC origin fully acknowledged but the Confederate veteran selected to give the speech noted:
>> The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South – When “the bottom rail was on top” all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God.
I trust I may be pardoned for one allusion, howbeit it is rather personal. One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison, and for thirty nights afterwards slept with a double-barrel shot gun under my head. << -- Source: Julian S. Carr, “Unveiling of Confederate Monument at University. June 2, 1913” in the Julian Shakespeare Carr Papers #141, Southern Historical Collection, The Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. (viewable here)
A bio of this Julian Carr proves most informative:
>> Julian Shakespeare Carr (October 12, 1845 – April 29, 1924) was a North Carolina industrialist, philanthropist, white supremacist, and Ku Klux Klan supporter (and when young, a pro-slavery advocate). ...
His studies were interrupted in 1864 by service as a private in the Confederacy, serving with the Third North Carolina Cavalry. Later in life, he was known as "General Carr," the unofficial rank having been bestowed by the state veterans' association due to his long service in veterans' affairs and generosity toward widows and their children. Carr also supported white supremacy and the Ku Klux Klan, spoke favorably of the murder of African Americans that occurred during the Wilmington Massacre of 1898, which he called a "grand and glorious event", and celebrated lynchings. --- Wiki
Just like the written records of the bases of secession of the various Confederate states that specifically refer to the continuation of Slavery as their reasoning, this rhetoric leaves little doubt as to what the intention was.
Hundreds of memorials over generations of time, spread over populations in the tens of millions?
You finding a few racists quotes does not prove anything.
How come you
cut out the content, if it's so unimportant?
Oooooops.
I put it back above. In fact, just for you I made it
bigger so everybody can see exactly what it was you cut out to avoid.
And why do you keep using the abbreviation, UDC, instead of saying who they actually were? The United Daughters of the Confederacy.
Which takes fewer keystrokes? Think about it.
For over 5 generations, America as a whole has accepted the South's celebration of it's [sic] heritage and culture as part of the larger American culture and heritage.
Except for black people who, what, don't count?
That you libs have decided at this late date, that suddenly Southern Whites are not allowed to be proud of their heritage and culture, is you being divisive.
Why do you want to tear this nation apart?
Maybe you should ask the indolent planter class of 1861 who did that, railroading their own region into a war they didn't want. THAT's what you want to glorify?
I'm plenty proud of my culture, thanks. I come from a long line of Southerners. But I also know my history. It would be dishonest to sweep it under the rug. And even more dishonest to portray it as a lie.
1. Because, as I pointed out, it is unimportant. I didn't want your wall of cut and paste to bury my responses to your points. My point stands. Considering the scale of the time period and geographical place we are talking about, finding a few racist quotes, proves nothing. If for every racist post you find, I find two of people talking about the honor and fighting spirit of the soldiers in question, will you admit means nothing?
Your posts are ALREADY inflated with this orgy of endless self-infatuated carriage returns, so no amount of content is going to compete with that. No, you cut that part out because you don't want to deal with its reality. However, that reality is exactly why it was there in the first place. Just like the reality of these propaganda transmitters we speak of. You'd like to edit out the history of how they got there and why they were put where they were. Whelp, I'm here to prevent that sort of obfuscation.
Oh and as for the "honor and spirit" bit, the same speech I already linked in fact goes into quite a spiel on that, as do they all. It's the veneer they hide behind so they can get away with the real agenda --- "whipping a Negro wench until her skirt was in shreds".
2. But your point is that it was "not the children" of the Confederates that raised the statues, but the UDC, or the United Daughters of the Confederacy. MMMM, interesting.
Yeah I thought so. History always is, especially when you ferret out the root causes of events. It was equally interesting to find out they spent even more energy literally rewriting the history books.
3. Black people are part of America as a whole. America as a whole, has for over 5 generations been fine with the way the wounds of the Civil War were healed and that the South's regional prides is seen as a fine and healthy part of the larger Nation Pride and Patriotism.
"Patriotism" of course meaning memorializing those who agitated for human trafficking that is, just for a start, illegal. Can't think of any reason the objects of that human trafficking who suffered so unspeakably for so long, literally millions of them having had to migrate elsewhere to escape intolerable conditions, wouldn't be just all warm and fuzzy and hunky dory about that, can you?
4. The date is not 1861, but 2020. Today, it is you lefties that are being divisive. I ask again, why are you tearing this nation apart?
The date refers to "tearing this nation apart". Again ----------
history. You can't make it up, and you can't rewrite it. And when you try to, it's gonna be called out.
And that's why we're here, isn't it.
over a post that already explained all this shit.
