Universal Healthcare question for everyone

[Darkwind]

They are not. They are independent contractors that negotiate the fee structure with the government.

Oh good. So, an independent school that receives money from the Government, can teach Christianity and they are not government employees.

Nice try.

 

[EMH]

What kind of incentive?

That you are liable for your own healthcare expenses....

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

What kind of incentive?



That exists. As one example, One Medical is $99/year with a Prime membership.

Amazon One Medical | On-Demand Virtual Care | Primary Care

Schedule an in-person or online doctor or clinician visit. Same day clinician or doctor appointments are available, & so is 24/7 telehealth

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My insurance won’t allow that

 

[debbiedowner]

Not that I am aware of. No.

It’s a shitty lib run state

LOL, haven't looked have you? I just looked it up and you have many in Boston. Some are for the affluent and some are not.

 

[Stryder50]

For once you are spot on.

One solution is for a local partnership of private doctors and groups of people willing to limit malpractice awards in exchange for better more affordable care.

If we let government and lawyers control healthcare, we get screwed every way possible.

Sorry Komrade Charlie, but I'm "spot on" far more often than you can perceive or acknowledge. Partly based upon the large divergence of our views, perspectives, values, priorities, etc. ....

The partnership you speak of would be a sort of medical care/services co-op/co-operative, and is worth considering, except ~ what if one member incurs medical expenses beyond what the collective assets/resources can cover~pay for ???

"government and lawyers" aren't the only way control/manage of medical care*, medical insurance* can be "screwed every way possible". As mentioned, private sector and need to operate on profit based motives could also "screw" medical care and medical insurance to pay for such.

Biggest issue from you and your post is you still don't grasp and understand how your use of term "healthcare" distorts the concepts for consideration and the application of usable and workable language to the broader range of the issues and problems. You still can't be precise enough in your language to avoid distortions and misrepresentations, etc.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

LOL, haven't looked have you? I just looked it up and you have many in Boston. Some are for the affluent and some are not.

HMOs don’t work like that

 

[San Souci]

Because health care is a "right".

No. It is a personal Responsibility.

 

[Greenbeard]

My insurance won’t allow that

They participate with Medicare and virtually every commercial insurer in the Boston area (Aetna, Blue Cross, Cigna, Fallon, Humana, MGB, Tufts/Harvard Pilgrim, Unicare, United), including for HMP products. As near as I can tell, the only plans they don't participate in are MassHealth and some particular narrow network products from those insurers.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

They participate with Medicare and virtually every commercial insurer in the Boston area (Aetna, Blue Cross, Cigna, Fallon, Humana, MGB, Tufts/Harvard Pilgrim, Unicare, United), including for HMP products. As near as I can tell, the only plans they don't participate in are MassHealth and some particular narrow network products from those insurers.

We have an HMO but I ll look into it

 

[dblack]

For once you are spot on.

One solution is for a local partnership of private doctors and groups of people willing to limit malpractice awards in exchange for better more affordable care.

If we let government and lawyers control healthcare, we get screwed every way possible.

There are any number of viable solutions. But the politicians want to convince us that there is only one, "universal", way to take care of our health. And that is to put government in charge of it. They'll tell us how to do it properly!

 

[dblack]

No. It is a personal Responsibility.

Responsibility? Responsible to whom?

 

[dblack]

If we let government and lawyers control healthcare, we get screwed every way possible.

Liberals want to get rid of a handful of entrenched, corrupt insurance companies, and replace them with one entrenched, corrupt insurance company. But it's all good, because the politicians will be keeping an eye on things, and the company will non-profit!

Non-profit?

Really? What kind of $$$ figure would you put on all the power this would creative for Congress, for the lobbying industry? Profit can come in many forms.

 

[San Souci]

Responsibility? Responsible to whom?

To oneself. Like Food and shelter ,HC is something you EARN.

 

[AsherN]

Oh good. So, an independent school that receives money from the Government, can teach Christianity and they are not government employees.

Nice try.

What nice try. Doctors, either individually or as a group, form a company. The Medical Association negotiates the fee received for each service. From that fee, doctors pay rent, supplies, nurses, themselves. They do net receive a paycheck from the government. They invoice the government.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Libs want UH. Bernie Sanders is a champion of it but there are many who agree with the Socialist.

The argument is that it works in Europe.

Now in Europe education is free. It’s not in the US. A MD will not begin to make real money til they have gone through 4 yrs of undergrad, 3 yrs of med school and a 4 yr residency. That’s expensive and usually the lie between $400-600k in debt. Funny, I have a client who is an MD from India. In India he said you go straight to med school. No undergrad requirement. Makes sense. But I digress. Let’s say the person goes through the undergrad, med school and residency and soon becomes a renowned surgeon like Dr. James Andrews was.

Let’s say he gets paid $4mil per year. Now comes UH. How much does that doctor make now? How does UH reward our best doctors?

If I am a plumber I may charge what I want. Why can’t I do that as a doctor?

The greatest dangers to universal healthcare are that it encourages people to overuse it.and worsen its availability. A common cold for instance brings people to the emergency room. You also have bloated,.more.unaccountable bureaucracies. The worse though, as in the broader context of a centralized system; you have the state interferring in your health, pressuring doctors to reach certain outcomes with patients or just outright denying them proper access. It is real believe me. Canada is not your ally, we don't share your values about human rights and civil liberties, we broadly don't care about you or your citizens as a nation. We.apply the 24/7 charm offensive. If you are a tough cop like Homan, we.send out the people to relate to Homan to influence Trump, "yea, Canada is tough sir". If you are a green new deal person, we send out the climate be lievers to influence your.government to inflluence Biden. The only aspects we don't touch are human rights, transparency/accountability of government as we.dknt want you to focus on that with us. On healthcare, we and other European partners want you to emulate our system because we see opportunity for our businesses and understand the broader, central control it would bring your nation to. Trump should work to deregulate and de-centralize. This decentralization makes America most difficult to manipulate, bribe and pursuade.

 

[shockedcanadian]

To oneself. Like Food and shelter ,HC is something you EARN.

If you centralize healthcare the government will control who can earn it. You will get closer to a police state than you imagined.

 

[EMH]

Liberals want to get rid of a handful of entrenched, corrupt insurance companies, and replace them with one entrenched, corrupt insurance company. But it's all good, because the politicians will be keeping an eye on things, and the company will non-profit!

Non-profit?

Really? What kind of $$$ figure would you put on all the power this would creative for Congress, for the lobbying industry? Profit can come in many forms.

The objective is to cut that all out of the process, so the process is just patient and doctor, not patient, health insurer, attorney, government layers A B and C...

 

[hadit]

One place where churches can really help, in small groupings of people dedicated to living healthy lifestyles.

Make it so...

The Mennonites already do this, with a program called Brotherhood Sharing, which allows members to submit medical expenses which are then reimbursed by the Church. There are other organizations that do this on a national level as well.

 

[EMH]

The Mennonites already do this, with a program called Brotherhood Sharing, which allows members to submit medical expenses which are then reimbursed by the Church. There are other organizations that do this on a national level as well.

Spot on!!!!!

 

[Maxdeath]

That you are liable for your own healthcare expenses....

I definitely do not understand the idea that people want me to help pay for their health care.
I have not been sick in over 35 years. The only time I see a doctor is for a yearly physical. I eat well and exercise regularly. Perhaps before I die that may or may not change.
But I really would like someone to explain why I need to help pay the medical costs of someone who runs to the doctor every time they get a sniffle or the costs of someone that sits on the couch and eats constantly until they are morbidly obese. Or someone that eats so much fast food that their arteries are clogged to the point they are a walking time bomb. They made the decision to not take care of themselves