Universal background checks... really?

Well...are rights inalienable or not?

All rights are inalienable. I'm concerned with the Right to keep and bear Arms. It is an unalienable Right. I bold that word for a reason.

Okay….let me rephrase; should there be any reason to deny someone from owning a firearm….any reason at all?

Ineligible people belong in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities and / or being supervised 24 / 7

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?

Well?

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?

You’re not convicted of anything….you’re only accused. Should someone who is accused of armed robbery, rape, incest, murder….be able to keep an arsenal at their house, buy more guns, etc… while awaiting trial?
 
Well...are rights inalienable or not?

All rights are inalienable. I'm concerned with the Right to keep and bear Arms. It is an unalienable Right. I bold that word for a reason.

Okay….let me rephrase; should there be any reason to deny someone from owning a firearm….any reason at all?

Ineligible people belong in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities and / or being supervised 24 / 7

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?

Well?

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?

You’re not convicted of anything….you’re only accused. Should someone who is accused of armed robbery, rape, incest, murder….be able to keep an arsenal at their house, buy more guns, etc… while awaiting trial?


Yes. You are innocent until proven guilty. That is how it works in a free country.
 
Why you have gotten more and more pathetic as you weakly try to defend your ignorance.

You’re the one using euphemisms to justify selling firearms without a background check.


The government has NO AUTHORITY to require any American to undergo a background check as a prerequisite to exercising an unalienable Right guaranteed under the Bill of Rights and specifically guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment.

Any "search" (background check) as a prerequisite to exercising any Right is unreasonable by any metric. If you disagree, try applying your suggestion to any other unalienable Right you have.

So there should be no barrier to a 5 year old buying an Uzi? Or do rights have limits?

Is a five year old mature enough to depart from his father's house and build up his own family?

No. But then again, that stipulation isn’t in the 2nd Amendment. So rights have limits…correct?
Of course, but now we are getting to the heart of the matter and the reason for the 2nd. It did not grant the right. It simply prohibited the federal government from infringing, without exception. Any federal gun law that limits or proscribes in any way the right of individuals to keep and bear arms is infringement.

States HAD the authority to limit the right...until the clumsy, poorly considered 14th Amendment came along. Now ANY government action is infringement.

Instead of fixing the constitutional **** ups, our lawmakers are circumventing the constitution.

This is unacceptable and worthy of war.

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So there should be no barrier to a 5 year old buying an Uzi? Or do rights have limits?
This bullshit hyperbole prevents a reasonable discussion, in which I believe you have little interest.

Those who reach the age of majority should not be restricted on personal arms, including Uzis. We tolerate the restriction on uzis and the like because we are the only side of this decades-long discussion willing to compromise. YOU are not!!!

Most of us lost all desire to meet in the middle when people like you tried to tie the right to keep and bear arms to service in the national guard (which you claim is the militia)(it's not), or you tried to spin the use of "people" into some "collective" right (which is nonexistent and a retarded notion all rights are held individually), meaning that no individual can ever exercise the right.

Many of us want serious payback for that shit. We are ready to go to all-out, bullets-flying WAR to repeal every motherfucking gun law in the world after the bullshit you gun grabbers pulled trying to alter nature of the right. That was UNFORGIVABLE.

So, the time for compromise has passed. If you don't want children getting Uzis, accept the status quo and leave well enough alone. Otherwise, you are already engaging in war against us. We will respond with war and use the weapons we have a right to keep.

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Whatever…

I was demonstrating that rights are not inalienable….

The ridiculous argument made earlier that they are was blown out of the water.

PS: You’re not ready to do anything little man.
So you're saying that the founders were wrong when they said that individuals have in certain unalienable rights?

Thomas Jefferson was wrong when he wrote that in the declaration of independence?

Are you even American? If not you can shut the **** up.

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Well...are rights inalienable or not?

All rights are inalienable. I'm concerned with the Right to keep and bear Arms. It is an unalienable Right. I bold that word for a reason.

Okay….let me rephrase; should there be any reason to deny someone from owning a firearm….any reason at all?

Ineligible people belong in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities and / or being supervised 24 / 7

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?
Dangerous people are not eligible for bail. Those people would be considered a risk to society and should not be released. Just because someone is out on bail and is forbidden by the court to possess a firearm, does not mean that person will not try to get a firearm.

You haven't thought this out very well, have you?

Further to the point, you seem to believe that you can prevent crime by prohibition.

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Well...are rights inalienable or not?

All rights are inalienable. I'm concerned with the Right to keep and bear Arms. It is an unalienable Right. I bold that word for a reason.

Okay….let me rephrase; should there be any reason to deny someone from owning a firearm….any reason at all?

Ineligible people belong in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities and / or being supervised 24 / 7

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?

People are temporarily deprived of their unalienable Rights when serving time for a crime. Those Rights should be restored upon completion of their sentence.

Judges should never release anyone who poses a threat to the community. Those you allude to should be held and their cases fast tracked and a speedy trial afforded to them.
 
The government has NO AUTHORITY to require any American to undergo a background check as a prerequisite to exercising an unalienable Right guaranteed under the Bill of Rights and specifically guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment.

Any "search" (background check) as a prerequisite to exercising any Right is unreasonable by any metric. If you disagree, try applying your suggestion to any other unalienable Right you have.

So there should be no barrier to a 5 year old buying an Uzi? Or do rights have limits?

Why do you try to distract by trying to talk about people who haven't the full rights of citizens? You're making absurd arguments. It's sad.

Saying that rights are unalienable is just as ridiculous.

You are too ignorant to be called an American.

Well this nation voted in your blob so that can be taken as a compliment…. LOL

I don't even know what that was supposed to mean.
 
You’re the one using euphemisms to justify selling firearms without a background check.


The government has NO AUTHORITY to require any American to undergo a background check as a prerequisite to exercising an unalienable Right guaranteed under the Bill of Rights and specifically guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment.

Any "search" (background check) as a prerequisite to exercising any Right is unreasonable by any metric. If you disagree, try applying your suggestion to any other unalienable Right you have.

So there should be no barrier to a 5 year old buying an Uzi? Or do rights have limits?

Is a five year old mature enough to depart from his father's house and build up his own family?

No. But then again, that stipulation isn’t in the 2nd Amendment. So rights have limits…correct?
Of course, but now we are getting to the heart of the matter and the reason for the 2nd. It did not grant the right. It simply prohibited the federal government from infringing, without exception. Any federal gun law that limits or proscribes in any way the right of individuals to keep and bear arms is infringement.

States HAD the authority to limit the right...until the clumsy, poorly considered 14th Amendment came along. Now ANY government action is infringement.

Instead of fixing the constitutional **** ups, our lawmakers are circumventing the constitution.

This is unacceptable and worthy of war.

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I have a legal argument for the left:

By the "absolute rights" of individuals is meant those which are so in their primary and strictest sense, such as would belong to their persons merely in a state of nature, and which every man is entitled to enjoy, whether out of society or in it. The rights of personal security, of personal liberty, and private property do not depend upon the Constitution for their existence. They existed before the Constitution was made, or the government was organized. These are what are termed the "absolute rights" of individuals, which belong to them independently of all government, and which all governments which derive their power from the consent of the governed were instituted to protect.” People v. Berberrich (N. Y.) 20 Barb. 224, 229; McCartee v. Orphan Asylum Soc. (N. Y.) 9 Cow. 437, 511, 513, 18 Am. Dec. 516; People v. Toynbee (N. Y.) 2 Parker, Cr. R. 329, 369, 370 (quoting 1 Bl. Comm. 123) - {1855}

The absolute rights of individuals may be resolved into the right of personal security, the right of personal liberty, and the right to acquire and enjoy property. These rights are declared to be natural, inherent, and unalienable.” Atchison & N. R. Co. v. Baty, 6 Neb. 37, 40, 29 Am. Rep. 356 (1877)

"Men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,-'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;'and to 'secure,'not grant or create, these rights, governments are instituted." BUDD v. PEOPLE OF STATE OF NEW YORK, 143 U.S. 517 (1892)

According to Wikipedia:

"The first state court decision resulting from the "right to bear arms" issue was Bliss v. Commonwealth. The court held that "the right of citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State must be preserved entire, ..." "This holding was unique because it stated that the right to bear arms is absolute and unqualified."

Right to keep and bear arms in the United States - Wikipedia

In 1846 the Georgia Supreme Court ruled:

The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed." The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, reestablished by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Charta!” Nunn v State 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243 (1846)

In Texas, their Supreme Court made the point unequivocally clear:

"The right of a citizen to bear arms in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the high powers delegated directly to the citizen, and is excepted out of the general powers of government. A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power."

-Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394 (1859)

Then, the United States Supreme Court weighed in:

The Government of the United States, although it is, within the scope of its powers, supreme and beyond the States, can neither grant nor secure to its citizens rights or privileges which are not expressly or by implication placed under its jurisdiction. All that cannot be so granted or secured are left to the exclusive protection of the States.

..The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. United States v. Cruikshank 92 US 542 (1875)

That is the law as I know it. Now, you I know that is not the law, however. The question is, how did the law get changed? That is elementary. The United States Supreme Court simply kept rehearing the same cases over and over, changing their rulings. The Constitution only allows the United States Supreme Court to interpret the law. They don't get to keep reinterpreting it. That is legislating from the bench. Every ruling that contradicts the FIRST United States Supreme Court rulings is ultra vires - null and void in our constitutional Republic.

George Washington, our first president, warned against this practice and told you the consequences thereof:

"If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed." FAREWELL ADDRESS TO THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES

James Madison, our second president, wrote:

"The internal effects of a mutable policy are still more calamitous. It poisons the blessings of liberty itself. It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood: if they be repealed or revised before they are promulg[at]ed, or undergo such incessant changes, that no man who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be tomorrow. "

This is exactly the situation that happened when the United States Supreme Court began reversing their own decisions. We obey the law to the letter, but without warning, our nation's highest Court changes the laws. WTH? They change law, the original intent, and now, the high Court is claiming they dole out our Rights. So, I'm simply obeying the de jure law and if you want to change the Second Amendment, amend the damn thing.
 
What a stupid thing to say. I accept your surrender.

You just keep getting more and more side sportingly hilarious.

Why you have gotten more and more pathetic as you weakly try to defend your ignorance.

You’re the one using euphemisms to justify selling firearms without a background check.

Give it up. You've proven you know so little about the issue you're not worth arguing with. Bye.

Your surrender is accepted.

Not a surrender to acknowledge the fact that you have no argument and are a waste of time.
 
Why you have gotten more and more pathetic as you weakly try to defend your ignorance.

You’re the one using euphemisms to justify selling firearms without a background check.


The government has NO AUTHORITY to require any American to undergo a background check as a prerequisite to exercising an unalienable Right guaranteed under the Bill of Rights and specifically guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment.

Any "search" (background check) as a prerequisite to exercising any Right is unreasonable by any metric. If you disagree, try applying your suggestion to any other unalienable Right you have.

So there should be no barrier to a 5 year old buying an Uzi? Or do rights have limits?

Why do you try to distract by trying to talk about people who haven't the full rights of citizens? You're making absurd arguments. It's sad.

Saying that rights are unalienable is just as ridiculous.

Stop. Really, just stop. Your stupid argument is just too sad.
 
Well...are rights inalienable or not?

All rights are inalienable. I'm concerned with the Right to keep and bear Arms. It is an unalienable Right. I bold that word for a reason.

Okay….let me rephrase; should there be any reason to deny someone from owning a firearm….any reason at all?

Ineligible people belong in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities and / or being supervised 24 / 7

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?
Dangerous people are not eligible for bail. Those people would be considered a risk to society and should not be released. Just because someone is out on bail and is forbidden by the court to possess a firearm, does not mean that person will not try to get a firearm.

You haven't thought this out very well, have you?

Further to the point, you seem to believe that you can prevent crime by prohibition.

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Sure they are. The cop who shot the guy in the back then dropped a gun next to him was granted bail,

People accused of murder are given bail regularly.
 
Well...are rights inalienable or not?

All rights are inalienable. I'm concerned with the Right to keep and bear Arms. It is an unalienable Right. I bold that word for a reason.

Okay….let me rephrase; should there be any reason to deny someone from owning a firearm….any reason at all?

Ineligible people belong in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities and / or being supervised 24 / 7

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?

People are temporarily deprived of their unalienable Rights when serving time for a crime. Those Rights should be restored upon completion of their sentence.

Judges should never release anyone who poses a threat to the community. Those you allude to should be held and their cases fast tracked and a speedy trial afforded to them.

People accused of murder are granted bail regularly. But thanks for admitting rights are not absolute.
 
You just keep getting more and more side sportingly hilarious.

Why you have gotten more and more pathetic as you weakly try to defend your ignorance.

You’re the one using euphemisms to justify selling firearms without a background check.

Give it up. You've proven you know so little about the issue you're not worth arguing with. Bye.

Your surrender is accepted.

Not a surrender to acknowledge the fact that you have no argument and are a waste of time.

Again, your surrender is accepted
 
All rights are inalienable. I'm concerned with the Right to keep and bear Arms. It is an unalienable Right. I bold that word for a reason.

Okay….let me rephrase; should there be any reason to deny someone from owning a firearm….any reason at all?

Ineligible people belong in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities and / or being supervised 24 / 7

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?

People are temporarily deprived of their unalienable Rights when serving time for a crime. Those Rights should be restored upon completion of their sentence.

Judges should never release anyone who poses a threat to the community. Those you allude to should be held and their cases fast tracked and a speedy trial afforded to them.

People accused of murder are granted bail regularly. But thanks for admitting rights are not absolute.

You are lying and stupid as dog shit. Rights are absolute. Period. Do you want to wander into a philosophical discussion that your dumb ass cannot prosecute?
 
All rights are inalienable. I'm concerned with the Right to keep and bear Arms. It is an unalienable Right. I bold that word for a reason.

Okay….let me rephrase; should there be any reason to deny someone from owning a firearm….any reason at all?

Ineligible people belong in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities and / or being supervised 24 / 7

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?
Dangerous people are not eligible for bail. Those people would be considered a risk to society and should not be released. Just because someone is out on bail and is forbidden by the court to possess a firearm, does not mean that person will not try to get a firearm.

You haven't thought this out very well, have you?

Further to the point, you seem to believe that you can prevent crime by prohibition.

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Sure they are. The cop who shot the guy in the back then dropped a gun next to him was granted bail,

People accused of murder are given bail regularly.

I'm sure in your idiotic mind, you think you've made a point. Your irrational B.S. probably don't even convince you... but if it does, your employer (if anyone was stupid enough to hire you) might offer mental health services through your insurance.
 
Okay….let me rephrase; should there be any reason to deny someone from owning a firearm….any reason at all?

Ineligible people belong in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities and / or being supervised 24 / 7

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?

People are temporarily deprived of their unalienable Rights when serving time for a crime. Those Rights should be restored upon completion of their sentence.

Judges should never release anyone who poses a threat to the community. Those you allude to should be held and their cases fast tracked and a speedy trial afforded to them.

People accused of murder are granted bail regularly. But thanks for admitting rights are not absolute.

You are lying and stupid as dog shit. Rights are absolute. Period. Do you want to wander into a philosophical discussion that your dumb ass cannot prosecute?

You just stated that people can be legally deprived of their rights….therefore they are not absolute.

Perhaps I’ll purchase you a mirror so you can debate yourself.
 
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Okay….let me rephrase; should there be any reason to deny someone from owning a firearm….any reason at all?

Ineligible people belong in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities and / or being supervised 24 / 7

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?
Dangerous people are not eligible for bail. Those people would be considered a risk to society and should not be released. Just because someone is out on bail and is forbidden by the court to possess a firearm, does not mean that person will not try to get a firearm.

You haven't thought this out very well, have you?

Further to the point, you seem to believe that you can prevent crime by prohibition.

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Sure they are. The cop who shot the guy in the back then dropped a gun next to him was granted bail,

People accused of murder are given bail regularly.

I'm sure in your idiotic mind, you think you've made a point. Your irrational B.S. probably don't even convince you... but if it does, your employer (if anyone was stupid enough to hire you) might offer mental health services through your insurance.

Just pointing out that dangerous people are given bail all the time shit brains. That you can’t argue otherwise is rather delicious.

Here you go for another example:

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article210924474.html

The accused name is Serena Escamilla.
Serena Escamilla was given bail…then the bail was even reduced….and she is out on bond awaiting trial.

Judge reduces bond for woman accused of murder

You may remember Serena who was previously arrested numerous times….one of which was for this crime:

Southside major drug bust leads to five arrests

Here is SOME of the bounty from one of her previous arrests before greasing her mother…. She got bail for this too—which is why she was able to kill her mom—she was out on bail **** stain. As were her four other co-defendants (unless they were arrested again).

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And this was in brick-red Texas….just like the cop was in brick red South Carolina.

I’m sure you’ll come back with some rationalization about this not really happening—just like the video of the guy buying a gun at a gun show no questions asked.

Aren’t you tired of being proven wrong?

Dangerous people get bond regularly. So again…should someone who is accused of murder and is awaiting trial be able to purchase, own, use firearms?

Unless you’re a total sociopath…the answer is no. And I bet you will take the opposite side of the argument.
 
They should universal background check all teachers and professors to make sure they're not radicals who teach liberalism, victimhood, and violence as a solution to our problems. We need to get back to supplying facts and then encouraging kids to use their own intelligence and morals to solve problems. I truly believe our liberally bigoted education system is manufacturing these defective mass shooters.
 
Ineligible people belong in jails, prisons, and mental health facilities and / or being supervised 24 / 7

What if you’re out on bail while awaiting trial for murder, rape, incest, armed robbery, etc…?
Dangerous people are not eligible for bail. Those people would be considered a risk to society and should not be released. Just because someone is out on bail and is forbidden by the court to possess a firearm, does not mean that person will not try to get a firearm.

You haven't thought this out very well, have you?

Further to the point, you seem to believe that you can prevent crime by prohibition.

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Sure they are. The cop who shot the guy in the back then dropped a gun next to him was granted bail,

People accused of murder are given bail regularly.

I'm sure in your idiotic mind, you think you've made a point. Your irrational B.S. probably don't even convince you... but if it does, your employer (if anyone was stupid enough to hire you) might offer mental health services through your insurance.

Just pointing out that dangerous people are given bail all the time shit brains. That you can’t argue otherwise is rather delicious.

Here you go for another example:

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article210924474.html

The accused name is Serena Escamilla.
Serena Escamilla was given bail…then the bail was even reduced….and she is out on bond awaiting trial.

Judge reduces bond for woman accused of murder

You may remember Serena who was previously arrested numerous times….one of which was for this crime:

Southside major drug bust leads to five arrests

Here is SOME of the bounty from one of her previous arrests before greasing her mother…. She got bail for this too—which is why she was able to kill her mom—she was out on bail **** stain. As were her four other co-defendants (unless they were arrested again).

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And this was in brick-red Texas….just like the cop was in brick red South Carolina.

I’m sure you’ll come back with some rationalization about this not really happening—just like the video of the guy buying a gun at a gun show no questions asked.

Aren’t you tired of being proven wrong?

Dangerous people get bond regularly. So again…should someone who is accused of murder and is awaiting trial be able to purchase, own, use firearms?

Unless you’re a total sociopath…the answer is no. And I bet you will take the opposite side of the argument.

I guess if you can identify what a sociopath is, then you must have experience. Your posts do show evidence of an individual with mental health issues, way above the pay grade of most of us to identify. I'm pretty sure you are projecting at this juncture, given the fact that no rational person has been swayed by your ignorance.

Do people break the law? Yes. Do corrupt judges put criminals onto the streets? Bet your ass. Do people buy firearms without a background check? Yes. Did they break the law? Probably the statutory law...caveats notwithstanding.

Now, your little video could be played all day long in the state of Georgia and it would mean NOTHING. I bought a new firearm from a retailer recently. I did NOT go through a background check. The transaction was perfectly legal. So, how did I avoid the background check?

In Georgia, they issue a Weapons License to qualified applicants. They are pretty hard to get. I got turned down my first time for an arrest that happened in 1976. I have no idea why the final disposition was not recorded. The case was dismissed the next day after my arrest by a judge when he was apprised of the facts. If you have the license, you've been "checked out."

Secondary to that, there is no constitutional jurisdiction for people to have to forfeit one constitutional Right in order to exercise another. So, I won't be doing any more background checks. If I had to build a firearm with a file and a drill, I'd do that before I'd submit to this idiotic forfeiture of Rights. I thank you and your insane posts that helped me research the fine points of the law a bit more clearly.

You point out the times when the system (especially judges) let murderers go, but that same POS would uphold a felony arrest for a misdemeanor crime if he had strong feelings about the issue. All of it has no bearing on the issue at hand. It points to weaknesses in our corrupt legal system.
 
Now, your little video could be played all day long in the state of Georgia and it would mean NOTHING. I bought a new firearm from a retailer recently. I did NOT go through a background check. The transaction was perfectly legal. So, how did I avoid the background check?
In Ohio, I plunk down my CCW, sign the 4473, pay the nice lady, and leave.
 
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