Universal background checks... really?

[Porter Rockwell]

There;s no fact at all in your statement.

Gun nuts seem to not have access to a thesaurus

Your pejorative aside, it's amusing to see a person who can't comprehend a definition talk about thesauruses.

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

How come a background check didn't stop Adam Lanza, Nicholas Cruz, the San Bernadino shooters, Omar Mateen, etc., etc.? Shouldn't a proposed solution be related to addressing the problem at hand?

Because the background checks were not invasive enough in some cases.

In other cases like Lanza….his mother had the arsenal in the house with a diagnosed mentally ill individual and the result was 26 people were killed.

It is good to see that you guys have given up on blaming Hollywood and Video Games (for the time being).

The blame is in the following order: parents, teachers, government officials, doctors, and Big Pharma. I don't know who "you guys" are supposed to be, but over the last decade I have been able to spot mass shooters years before they pick up their first weapon. I know what it would take to stop them. The left won't consider the plan because they have a religion that is all about control. The right has become a bunch of reactionaries unwilling to take the lead and stop the gun banners in their tracks.

Hollywood and video games offer up a piece of the puzzle, but like all the other pieces, you have got to have all the right pieces of the puzzle to understand the problem and the solution. It won't fit on a bumper sticker, so it isn't worth repeating over and over to people who think gun control via unconstitutional background checks is some kind of solution.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

There;s no fact at all in your statement.

Gun nuts seem to not have access to a thesaurus

Your pejorative aside, it's amusing to see a person who can't comprehend a definition talk about thesauruses.

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

How come a background check didn't stop Adam Lanza, Nicholas Cruz, the San Bernadino shooters, Omar Mateen, etc., etc.? Shouldn't a proposed solution be related to addressing the problem at hand?

Making Murders illegal doesn't stop all murders either. But putting extreme penalties on them along with extreme social pressures against it certainly has an affect in minimizing them.

If that were true, people in this country wouldn't even take an aspirin out of fear of what cops would do them. We have more people in prison than any country on the globe. There is only one answer to both firearms deaths and drugs - prevent the problem without infringing on everyone elses Rights.

 

[Lesh]

Universal background checks infringe no one's rights

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Universal background checks infringe no one's rights

Universal background checks infringe on EVERYONE'S rights

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Gun nuts seem to not have access to a thesaurus

Your pejorative aside, it's amusing to see a person who can't comprehend a definition talk about thesauruses.

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

How come a background check didn't stop Adam Lanza, Nicholas Cruz, the San Bernadino shooters, Omar Mateen, etc., etc.? Shouldn't a proposed solution be related to addressing the problem at hand?

Making Murders illegal doesn't stop all murders either. But putting extreme penalties on them along with extreme social pressures against it certainly has an affect in minimizing them.

If that were true, people in this country wouldn't even take an aspirin out of fear of what cops would do them. We have more people in prison than any country on the globe. There is only one answer to both firearms deaths and drugs - prevent the problem without infringing on everyone elses Rights.

You do know that you said exactly nothing in your post, don't you. Try again.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Universal background checks infringe no one's rights

Universal background checks infringe on EVERYONE'S rights

There you go. I knew you could say what you really meant. Murder laws infringes on Murderers rights as well. Pedophile laws infringe on Child Molesters rights as well. Traffic laws infringe on every driver as well. But we need all those laws to be a functioning society.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Universal background checks infringe no one's rights

Universal background checks infringe on EVERYONE'S rights

There you go. I knew you could say what you really meant. Murder laws infringes on Murderers rights as well. Pedophile laws infringe on Child Molesters rights as well. Traffic laws infringe on every driver as well. But we need all those laws to be a functioning society.

Clean up the drug problem, the people who misuse firearms will go away. With over 400 million guns in the U.S., they will be here when you and I are have turned to dust. Save lives and forget about hiding socialist and communist solutions under the guise of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. Take the damn criminals off the streets, but more importantly; QUIT MANUFACTURING KILLERS!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Universal background checks infringe no one's rights

Universal background checks infringe on EVERYONE'S rights

There you go. I knew you could say what you really meant. Murder laws infringes on Murderers rights as well. Pedophile laws infringe on Child Molesters rights as well. Traffic laws infringe on every driver as well. But we need all those laws to be a functioning society.

Clean up the drug problem, the people who misuse firearms will go away. With over 400 million guns in the U.S., they will be here when you and I are have turned to dust. Save lives and forget about hiding socialist and communist solutions under the guise of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. Take the damn criminals off the streets, but more importantly; QUIT MANUFACTURING KILLERS!

Wow, sounds so simple. Got any ideas where to start doing this? And sorry, killing all the Democrats first isn't the solution. Well, maybe in your sick mind it's a start but it's definitely not going to work. List good solid ideas that will work and all of can get right on it.

Until you can come with definitive methods that will work 100% of the time then maybe some of the rest of us should be able to introduce our own ideas for minor changes that help.

 

[bripat9643]

Fortunately after a week or so sometimes less, progressives quit lighting their hair on fire about these shootings.
But the drum beat goes on for frivolous gun control laws...

But the last two shooters in Texas were absolutely no different than these shit stains...

Mass shooting is color blind... Both with the shooter and the ones being shot apparently. Lol

I thought mass shooters where all white.

The dirty little secret of mass shooting is that most of them are gang bangers.

 

[hunarcy]

There;s no fact at all in your statement.

Gun nuts seem to not have access to a thesaurus

Your pejorative aside, it's amusing to see a person who can't comprehend a definition talk about thesauruses.

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

What a stupid thing to say. I accept your surrender.

You just keep getting more and more side sportingly hilarious.

Why you have gotten more and more pathetic as you weakly try to defend your ignorance.

 

[candycorn]

Your pejorative aside, it's amusing to see a person who can't comprehend a definition talk about thesauruses.

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

How come a background check didn't stop Adam Lanza, Nicholas Cruz, the San Bernadino shooters, Omar Mateen, etc., etc.? Shouldn't a proposed solution be related to addressing the problem at hand?

Making Murders illegal doesn't stop all murders either. But putting extreme penalties on them along with extreme social pressures against it certainly has an affect in minimizing them.

If that were true, people in this country wouldn't even take an aspirin out of fear of what cops would do them. We have more people in prison than any country on the globe. There is only one answer to both firearms deaths and drugs - prevent the problem without infringing on everyone elses Rights.

You do know that you said exactly nothing in your post, don't you. Try again.

He knows.

 

[candycorn]

Gun nuts seem to not have access to a thesaurus

Your pejorative aside, it's amusing to see a person who can't comprehend a definition talk about thesauruses.

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

What a stupid thing to say. I accept your surrender.

You just keep getting more and more side sportingly hilarious.

Why you have gotten more and more pathetic as you weakly try to defend your ignorance.

You’re the one using euphemisms to justify selling firearms without a background check.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Your pejorative aside, it's amusing to see a person who can't comprehend a definition talk about thesauruses.

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

How come a background check didn't stop Adam Lanza, Nicholas Cruz, the San Bernadino shooters, Omar Mateen, etc., etc.? Shouldn't a proposed solution be related to addressing the problem at hand?

Making Murders illegal doesn't stop all murders either. But putting extreme penalties on them along with extreme social pressures against it certainly has an affect in minimizing them.

If that were true, people in this country wouldn't even take an aspirin out of fear of what cops would do them. We have more people in prison than any country on the globe. There is only one answer to both firearms deaths and drugs - prevent the problem without infringing on everyone elses Rights.

You do know that you said exactly nothing in your post, don't you. Try again.

Your pejorative aside, it's amusing to see a person who can't comprehend a definition talk about thesauruses.

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

How come a background check didn't stop Adam Lanza, Nicholas Cruz, the San Bernadino shooters, Omar Mateen, etc., etc.? Shouldn't a proposed solution be related to addressing the problem at hand?

Making Murders illegal doesn't stop all murders either. But putting extreme penalties on them along with extreme social pressures against it certainly has an affect in minimizing them.

If that were true, people in this country wouldn't even take an aspirin out of fear of what cops would do them. We have more people in prison than any country on the globe. There is only one answer to both firearms deaths and drugs - prevent the problem without infringing on everyone elses Rights.

You do know that you said exactly nothing in your post, don't you. Try again.

I know that you don't know how to read.

I know you don't know jackshit about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights nor unalienable Rights.

I know the Fourth Amendment is beyond your comprehension and something that makes you tremble in fear.

I know you believe so much in a government - god that you mistake power for authority.

I know that you are committed to control, not Liberty

I know that you follow change agents around that say the "want to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." This, of course is one of the mind control games of tyrants. Ayn Rand wrote:

"There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system … that’s the game…"

— Ayn Rand in “Atlas Shrugged“

I know that you have ZERO interest in preventing firearm violence and SAVING LIVES.

I know there is a difference between saving lives and disarming a free nation

I know that you will say anything to appear to be relevant in this thread and the only people backing you up are woefully stupid.

I know that you are a seditionist, a traitor and that you deserve to be arrested, tried for treason by a jury of your peers, found guilty, then executed by a firing squad.

What else do I need to know about this thread?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Your pejorative aside, it's amusing to see a person who can't comprehend a definition talk about thesauruses.

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

What a stupid thing to say. I accept your surrender.

You just keep getting more and more side sportingly hilarious.

Why you have gotten more and more pathetic as you weakly try to defend your ignorance.

You’re the one using euphemisms to justify selling firearms without a background check.

The government has NO AUTHORITY to require any American to undergo a background check as a prerequisite to exercising an unalienable Right guaranteed under the Bill of Rights and specifically guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment.

Any "search" (background check) as a prerequisite to exercising any Right is unreasonable by any metric. If you disagree, try applying your suggestion to any other unalienable Right you have.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

There you go. I knew you could say what you really meant. Murder laws infringes on Murderers rights as well. Pedophile laws infringe on Child Molesters rights as well. Traffic laws infringe on every driver as well. But we need all those laws to be a functioning society.

Murder is illegal, but locking up a would-be murderer BEFORE he acts is the very definition of infringement.

That's what you don't understand apparently.

Laws do not prevent crime. They only punish it after the fact.

Denying someone the right to bear arms because he might do some thing in the future is the very definition of breach and infringement.

.

 

[Flash]

Universal background checks...yes really...and NOW

**** background checks.

Worthless and is wrong because it is the filthy government having to give us permission for a Constitutional right.

Only dumbasses that don't understand what the Bill of Rights is all about support them.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

How come a background check didn't stop Adam Lanza, Nicholas Cruz, the San Bernadino shooters, Omar Mateen, etc., etc.? Shouldn't a proposed solution be related to addressing the problem at hand?

Making Murders illegal doesn't stop all murders either. But putting extreme penalties on them along with extreme social pressures against it certainly has an affect in minimizing them.

If that were true, people in this country wouldn't even take an aspirin out of fear of what cops would do them. We have more people in prison than any country on the globe. There is only one answer to both firearms deaths and drugs - prevent the problem without infringing on everyone elses Rights.

You do know that you said exactly nothing in your post, don't you. Try again.

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

How come a background check didn't stop Adam Lanza, Nicholas Cruz, the San Bernadino shooters, Omar Mateen, etc., etc.? Shouldn't a proposed solution be related to addressing the problem at hand?

Making Murders illegal doesn't stop all murders either. But putting extreme penalties on them along with extreme social pressures against it certainly has an affect in minimizing them.

If that were true, people in this country wouldn't even take an aspirin out of fear of what cops would do them. We have more people in prison than any country on the globe. There is only one answer to both firearms deaths and drugs - prevent the problem without infringing on everyone elses Rights.

You do know that you said exactly nothing in your post, don't you. Try again.

I know that you don't know how to read.

I know you don't know jackshit about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights nor unalienable Rights.

I know the Fourth Amendment is beyond your comprehension and something that makes you tremble in fear.

I know you believe so much in a government - god that you mistake power for authority.

I know that you are committed to control, not Liberty

I know that you follow change agents around that say the "want to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." This, of course is one of the mind control games of tyrants. Ayn Rand wrote:

"There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system … that’s the game…"

— Ayn Rand in “Atlas Shrugged“

I know that you have ZERO interest in preventing firearm violence and SAVING LIVES.

I know there is a difference between saving lives and disarming a free nation

I know that you will say anything to appear to be relevant in this thread and the only people backing you up are woefully stupid.

I know that you are a seditionist, a traitor and that you deserve to be arrested, tried for treason by a jury of your peers, found guilty, then executed by a firing squad.

What else do I need to know about this thread?

Funny, that's exactly (except for the execution) that I think of you. You ignore the 4th, 1st and 14th amendment when it suits you and then preach armed insurrection. When you get caught with your hands in the cookie jar, you say the other person is doing it. Standard Rumpster line of reasoning. You hate speech is noted and the fact you support the White Nationals, KKK and others is also noted. Then you have the voracity to call yourself a "Patriot". More like a violent Parrot.

So if you are preaching to make me afraid, I wrote my butt off decades ago like many others like me have. So if you do go through with your threats, things will not go the way your dreams will predict. While we won't instigate them, we won't shy away from them either. You honestly believe that moderates aren't armed well enough to defend against you domestic terrorists? Well, JBC, there are a whole hell of a lot more of us than there are of you and most of us are well armed and many of us are Veterans and enough of us are Retired Military that you Domestic Terrorists won't succeed in your fondest wet dreams.

What you have accomplished is to show that universal background checks are more important than ever before.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Sellers, merchants, dealers, brokers, etc... your arguing that a deranged lunatic going to a gun show and buying a weapon no questions asked is fine if the one selling the firearm is called a different name that means the same thing is hilarious. It’s the same tactics the Catholic Church used to excuse priests who raped kids.

What a stupid thing to say. I accept your surrender.

You just keep getting more and more side sportingly hilarious.

Why you have gotten more and more pathetic as you weakly try to defend your ignorance.

You’re the one using euphemisms to justify selling firearms without a background check.

The government has NO AUTHORITY to require any American to undergo a background check as a prerequisite to exercising an unalienable Right guaranteed under the Bill of Rights and specifically guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment.

Any "search" (background check) as a prerequisite to exercising any Right is unreasonable by any metric. If you disagree, try applying your suggestion to any other unalienable Right you have.

BS. It can be done as long as it's done within the "Due Process" under the 14th Amendment. The 4th Amendment doesn't apply here. Here is the 4th amendment and it has nothing to do with prior aquitision of any firearms "Within Reason". And the "Within Reason" falls under "Due Process". For those that don't know what the 4th amendment says....

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Notice the phrase, "Probable Cause". And who makes the determination what probable cause is? The Voters, the Legislature and the Courts. You, the individual, don't make up the determination in a Federal Republic. You certainly believe you are much more important than you really are.

Now, for the 14th Amendment....

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Now we must look at what Due Process is.

I won't go into it because it's complicated. But to put in simply, the voter, Law Enforcement and Legislature cannot take what is considered a right from a citizen. It takes a judicial ruling or Writ to accomplish this and that can be taken to a higher court up to and including the Supreme Court. Each person is guaranteed their day in court and the right to face their accuser. In each step, if the law or the ruling goes uncontested, the law or ruling stands and becomes due process and binding.

Now, if Universal Background Checks are upheld in the Court Systems what part of the 4th, 5th and 14th amendment will have been violated? BTW, it's already been upheld in the Federal Courts for Colorado and California and 7 other states using the court rulings of Colorado.

Sounds to me like you are trying to get an Armed Revolution started where you and your bunch is going to try and overthrow the legally elected government. Last time I checked, that was treason.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

What a stupid thing to say. I accept your surrender.

You just keep getting more and more side sportingly hilarious.

Why you have gotten more and more pathetic as you weakly try to defend your ignorance.

You’re the one using euphemisms to justify selling firearms without a background check.

The government has NO AUTHORITY to require any American to undergo a background check as a prerequisite to exercising an unalienable Right guaranteed under the Bill of Rights and specifically guaranteed under the Fourth Amendment.

Any "search" (background check) as a prerequisite to exercising any Right is unreasonable by any metric. If you disagree, try applying your suggestion to any other unalienable Right you have.

BS. It can be done as long as it's done within the "Due Process" under the 14th Amendment. The 4th Amendment doesn't apply here. Here is the 4th amendment and it has nothing to do with prior aquitision of any firearms "Within Reason". And the "Within Reason" falls under "Due Process". For those that don't know what the 4th amendment says....

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Notice the phrase, "Probable Cause". And who makes the determination what probable cause is? The Voters, the Legislature and the Courts. You, the individual, don't make up the determination in a Federal Republic. You certainly believe you are much more important than you really are.

Now, for the 14th Amendment....

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Now we must look at what Due Process is.

I won't go into it because it's complicated. But to put in simply, the voter, Law Enforcement and Legislature cannot take what is considered a right from a citizen. It takes a judicial ruling or Writ to accomplish this and that can be taken to a higher court up to and including the Supreme Court. Each person is guaranteed their day in court and the right to face their accuser. In each step, if the law or the ruling goes uncontested, the law or ruling stands and becomes due process and binding.

Now, if Universal Background Checks are upheld in the Court Systems what part of the 4th, 5th and 14th amendment will have been violated? BTW, it's already been upheld in the Federal Courts for Colorado and California and 7 other states using the court rulings of Colorado.

Sounds to me like you are trying to get an Armed Revolution started where you and your bunch is going to try and overthrow the legally elected government. Last time I checked, that was treason.

What an illiterate bunch of B.S. !!! In reality, there is NO probable cause to search one's papers (which today would include your records) as prerequisite to exercising constitutional Rights.

I want everyone to notice that to give teeth to an illogical understanding of the Constitution, you fell back on the illegally ratified 14th Amendment, which was intended to nullify the Bill of Rights.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

How come a background check didn't stop Adam Lanza, Nicholas Cruz, the San Bernadino shooters, Omar Mateen, etc., etc.? Shouldn't a proposed solution be related to addressing the problem at hand?

Making Murders illegal doesn't stop all murders either. But putting extreme penalties on them along with extreme social pressures against it certainly has an affect in minimizing them.

If that were true, people in this country wouldn't even take an aspirin out of fear of what cops would do them. We have more people in prison than any country on the globe. There is only one answer to both firearms deaths and drugs - prevent the problem without infringing on everyone elses Rights.

You do know that you said exactly nothing in your post, don't you. Try again.

How come a background check didn't stop Adam Lanza, Nicholas Cruz, the San Bernadino shooters, Omar Mateen, etc., etc.? Shouldn't a proposed solution be related to addressing the problem at hand?

Making Murders illegal doesn't stop all murders either. But putting extreme penalties on them along with extreme social pressures against it certainly has an affect in minimizing them.

If that were true, people in this country wouldn't even take an aspirin out of fear of what cops would do them. We have more people in prison than any country on the globe. There is only one answer to both firearms deaths and drugs - prevent the problem without infringing on everyone elses Rights.

You do know that you said exactly nothing in your post, don't you. Try again.

I know that you don't know how to read.

I know you don't know jackshit about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights nor unalienable Rights.

I know the Fourth Amendment is beyond your comprehension and something that makes you tremble in fear.

I know you believe so much in a government - god that you mistake power for authority.

I know that you are committed to control, not Liberty

I know that you follow change agents around that say the "want to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." This, of course is one of the mind control games of tyrants. Ayn Rand wrote:

"There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system … that’s the game…"

— Ayn Rand in “Atlas Shrugged“

I know that you have ZERO interest in preventing firearm violence and SAVING LIVES.

I know there is a difference between saving lives and disarming a free nation

I know that you will say anything to appear to be relevant in this thread and the only people backing you up are woefully stupid.

I know that you are a seditionist, a traitor and that you deserve to be arrested, tried for treason by a jury of your peers, found guilty, then executed by a firing squad.

What else do I need to know about this thread?

Funny, that's exactly (except for the execution) that I think of you. You ignore the 4th, 1st and 14th amendment when it suits you and then preach armed insurrection. When you get caught with your hands in the cookie jar, you say the other person is doing it. Standard Rumpster line of reasoning. You hate speech is noted and the fact you support the White Nationals, KKK and others is also noted. Then you have the voracity to call yourself a "Patriot". More like a violent Parrot.

So if you are preaching to make me afraid, I wrote my butt off decades ago like many others like me have. So if you do go through with your threats, things will not go the way your dreams will predict. While we won't instigate them, we won't shy away from them either. You honestly believe that moderates aren't armed well enough to defend against you domestic terrorists? Well, JBC, there are a whole hell of a lot more of us than there are of you and most of us are well armed and many of us are Veterans and enough of us are Retired Military that you Domestic Terrorists won't succeed in your fondest wet dreams.

What you have accomplished is to show that universal background checks are more important than ever before.

You're a liar and a ******* idiot. I'm despised equally by the extremists of both sides. Furthermore, I've had to put my life on the line to defend people that I did not agree with, did not like, and found to be repulsive. You just don't like the truth because even the white supremacists are like a broken clock - they have the potential to be right twice a day.

I don't know what JBC means, but I'm sure in your ramblings, you might be able to enlighten us one day. I doubt that you could show us a DD214 unless it was your grand-dad's and FWIW, the man that trained me was the most decorated veteran of the Vietnam era. There are vets I know that would not tolerate you in a face to face setting.

You need gun control to make treason easy. Sin Loi Victor Charlie.