United States Founded on Faith

[Bush92]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

Yes, the English colonies were based on faith. Would you like to go back to being an English colony? It can be arranged.

Our nation is founded upon faith and faith is our foundation that holds this house together. You are a 1960's liberal/socialist. Martin Luther King's actual trained profession was...

Do you not see the First Amendment at all? Shall we just get rid of the Constitution then?

The Constitution written by Christians...grounded in the Christian faith? I think they wanted to allow for a freedom of religion because they saw the turmoil it had caused in the past in European history...as well as in theirs. But I do not believe they wanted "freedom of sensitivity."

 

[Bush92]

So you believe that people should be controlled by the government. Weird, I thought you believed in personal freedom.

Please clarify...I have never expressed that?

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think the constitution says it all. "We the people....." The only reference to the Christians # 1 God is as a place-holder in time.

Our liberty is deeply tied to our faith.

Yes, it's tied to everyone being able to have the faith of their own choice, not just "you can choose any religion in any color, as long as it's Christianity"

But Christianity prevails. If our founders were not Christian...would the outcome have been the same?

Well different religions would probably have done things differently in some way or other. But had the US been Christian but Russian orthodox, it would have been different. A lot of what you're talking about has been the development of Europe from the Magna Carta in 1215. Was Christianity the main driving force of parliament in England trying to rest control from the Monarch? No, because such things happened everywhere. You look to the Ottoman Empire and they had freedoms for different religions, and different ethic groups too, taking power away from the Sultan. But Christianity played a part because religion was far more political back then than it is now. But Christianity developed in different directions. Had the US been Catholic mainly, it would have gone a completely different way too.

But the Founding Fathers wanted to stop what had been happening under the British king George III. That is that religion was forced on people. The whole point of the First Amendment was so that individuals could make that decision.

And now you're trying to twist history to make it look like the Founding Fathers wanted the US to force religion on people.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

Yes, the English colonies were based on faith. Would you like to go back to being an English colony? It can be arranged.

Our nation is founded upon faith and faith is our foundation that holds this house together. You are a 1960's liberal/socialist. Martin Luther King's actual trained profession was...

Do you not see the First Amendment at all? Shall we just get rid of the Constitution then?

The Constitution written by Christians...grounded in the Christian faith? I think they wanted to allow for a freedom of religion because they saw the turmoil it had caused in the past in European history...as well as in theirs. But I do not believe they wanted "freedom of sensitivity."

I'm not sure what you mean by "freedom of sensitivity", what they wanted was a separation of church and state, they wanted individuals to be free to choose whatever they wanted.

Thomas Jefferson wrote:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."

 

[ScienceRocks]

This is what I think of forcing religion on people

 

[Billy000]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

It amazes me you're too dumb to understand the concept of separation of church and state.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I think Kirk makes a great argument

 

[NYcarbineer]

The King of England held his position because of the Christian belief in the divine right of kings.

Is that the OP's goal? Install Donald Trump as our new monarch? Return to the Christian principles of the 18th century?

 

[BlindBoo]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

Yes, the English colonies were based on faith. Would you like to go back to being an English colony? It can be arranged.

Our nation is founded upon faith and faith is our foundation that holds this house together. You are a 1960's liberal/socialist. Martin Luther King's actual trained profession was...

Nope. What founded the current United States is the Constitution.

 

[Bush92]

I think the constitution says it all. "We the people....." The only reference to the Christians # 1 God is as a place-holder in time.

Our liberty is deeply tied to our faith.

Yes, it's tied to everyone being able to have the faith of their own choice, not just "you can choose any religion in any color, as long as it's Christianity"

But Christianity prevails. If our founders were not Christian...would the outcome have been the same?

Well different religions would probably have done things differently in some way or other. But had the US been Christian but Russian orthodox, it would have been different. A lot of what you're talking about has been the development of Europe from the Magna Carta in 1215. Was Christianity the main driving force of parliament in England trying to rest control from the Monarch? No, because such things happened everywhere. You look to the Ottoman Empire and they had freedoms for different religions, and different ethic groups too, taking power away from the Sultan. But Christianity played a part because religion was far more political back then than it is now. But Christianity developed in different directions. Had the US been Catholic mainly, it would have gone a completely different way too.

But the Founding Fathers wanted to stop what had been happening under the British king George III. That is that religion was forced on people. The whole point of the First Amendment was so that individuals could make that decision.

And now you're trying to twist history to make it look like the Founding Fathers wanted the US to force religion on people.

No I am not. The Founders believed in freedom from a "state sponsored" religion. The Magna Carta was brought about to ensure the rights of nobility. The Pilgrims came here because they did not believe in the divine right of kings. They wanted religious freedom and the last time I checked...they were Christian. They wrote the Mayflower Compact that stated that those in power served with the consent of the governed. At every turn in early American history...all the way up through the abolitionist movement...faith was a centerpiece. If the early colonies had been predominantly Catholic...they would have been French or Spanish. The First Amendment is directed at a state sponsored religion. Not freedom to practice what you want. I do not think the high school was trying to establish a state sponsored religion.

 

[Bush92]

The King of England held his position because of the Christian belief in the divine right of kings.

Is that the OP's goal? Install Donald Trump as our new monarch? Return to the Christian principles of the 18th century?

Stop being hyper political.

 

[Bush92]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

It amazes me you're too dumb to understand the concept of separation of church and state.

To what degree? To remove a prayer from a high school auditorium that had been there for decades?

 

[Bush92]

This is what I think of forcing religion on people

No one is forcing religion on people. Was the student required to pray?

 

[Bush92]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

Yes, the English colonies were based on faith. Would you like to go back to being an English colony? It can be arranged.

Our nation is founded upon faith and faith is our foundation that holds this house together. You are a 1960's liberal/socialist. Martin Luther King's actual trained profession was...

Do you not see the First Amendment at all? Shall we just get rid of the Constitution then?

The Constitution written by Christians...grounded in the Christian faith? I think they wanted to allow for a freedom of religion because they saw the turmoil it had caused in the past in European history...as well as in theirs. But I do not believe they wanted "freedom of sensitivity."

I'm not sure what you mean by "freedom of sensitivity", what they wanted was a separation of church and state, they wanted individuals to be free to choose whatever they wanted.

Thomas Jefferson wrote:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."

How high is that wall? Removing a prayer from a wall seems going too far the other way. The Taliban destroyed Buddhist statues by blowing them up. I think atheists comprise a religion and they have no right to force their shared non-belief in God on to me and prohibit my right to practice my faith or the common shared belief of 99999.9999% of the community.

 

[bodecea]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

The Mayflower Compact ensured that no one would be forced to follow the Pilgrim faith since most on the Mayflower were NOT Pilgrims. That all went out the window when the Puritan Massachusetts Colony absorbed Plymouth...and started killing and exiling people who didn't toe their religious line.

 

[bodecea]

I think the constitution says it all. "We the people....." The only reference to the Christians # 1 God is as a place-holder in time.

Our liberty is deeply tied to our faith.

Maybe to you....but not everyone believes we must have a faith in some religion to have liberty.

 

[bodecea]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

Yes, the English colonies were based on faith. Would you like to go back to being an English colony? It can be arranged.

Our nation is founded upon faith and faith is our foundation that holds this house together. You are a 1960's liberal/socialist. Martin Luther King's actual trained profession was...

Do you not see the First Amendment at all? Shall we just get rid of the Constitution then?

The Constitution written by Christians...grounded in the Christian faith? I think they wanted to allow for a freedom of religion because they saw the turmoil it had caused in the past in European history...as well as in theirs. But I do not believe they wanted "freedom of sensitivity."

What of the Constitution is grounded on the christian faith?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

United States Founded on Faith

Yep, all of that freedomy stuff was just fluff and was never meant to be taken seriously.

 

[Bush92]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

The Mayflower Compact ensured that no one would be forced to follow the Pilgrim faith since most on the Mayflower were NOT Pilgrims. That all went out the window when the Puritan Massachusetts Colony absorbed Plymouth...and started killing and exiling people who didn't toe their religious line.

Rule by consent? Established a principle.

 

[Bush92]

The Pilgram's wrote the Mayflower Compact that denied divine right of kings and stated that those in government served with the consent of the governed. John Winthrop said the new colony would be like a "shining city upon a hill." James Whitfield spread the idea of baptism or "re-birth"across the colonies. Reject the Church of England and be born again...reject the King and be your own nation. Washington added "so help me God" to the inaugural oath...with hand on Bible. Lincoln even talked of a "new birth of freedom" in his Gettysburg Address. Always throughout our history God and faith has been a cornerstone. The Christian faith has dominated our history, but no other nation on earth has so embraced religious liberty. Separation of church and state is there and Jefferson talked of a "wall of separation." But how high is that wall? Link below is for reference...skip to 9 minute clip for debate.
God In America - Watch the Full Program Online
Who do you agree with in case study...the girl who was offended by prayer...or the school?
Watch Full Episodes Online of Constitution USA with Peter Sagal on PBS | Battles of School Prayer
Segment is 9 minutes.

Yes, the English colonies were based on faith. Would you like to go back to being an English colony? It can be arranged.

Our nation is founded upon faith and faith is our foundation that holds this house together. You are a 1960's liberal/socialist. Martin Luther King's actual trained profession was...

Do you not see the First Amendment at all? Shall we just get rid of the Constitution then?

The Constitution written by Christians...grounded in the Christian faith? I think they wanted to allow for a freedom of religion because they saw the turmoil it had caused in the past in European history...as well as in theirs. But I do not believe they wanted "freedom of sensitivity."

What of the Constitution is grounded on the christian faith?

All of it. The concept of "rebirth" or being "born again." By scrapping the Articles of Confederation on the third day of the Constitutional Convention the Founders had to leave Philadelphia with a plan for governance...or they had just destroyed everything they fought for. So in essence they baptized the nation and it was "born again" with the Constitution of the United States of America.