Unexpected Results of Overturning Rowe V Wade

[Flopper]

When discussing the overturning of Rowe V Wade, all discussions focused on abortion. However there are going to be some unexpected results other allowing states to control abortion.

Reading the draft opinion, the underpinnings for the decision is no constitutional basis for Rowe therefore it is a state not a federal issue. The draft went into details explaining why there was no implied right to abortion and thus the 4th and 16th amendment were not applicable. With this majority opinion it becomes clear that there is more going on than just giving states control over abortion.

As has been mentioned elsewhere, this ruling undermines a number of other federal rulings for example the states right to forbid interracial marriage as well as gay marriages. It also weakens the case for federal laws managing healthcare such as HIPPA and Obamacare, federal aid to education, etc. It is a huge victory for state rights with the potential to totally upend the America we know.

Another result of the ruling is political. Will support for antiabortion in the Republican party be as strong after Rowe is overturned as before? I think not. Support for antiabortion in the Republican Party comes from the religious right and the anti-big government crowd who strongly favor states rights. When Rowe is law of the land, these two groups were united in the desire abolish federal protection for abortion. With state control of abortion there is going to be less enthusiasm for antiabortion within the party. Over the last 20 years, 30% of the party has become a member on a non-Christian religion or none at all. The second reason I think that support is going to drop is that the big national battle is over. Although there will be fighting in most states, in some states it will just be a non-issue.

Before the court draft came out, I was reading articles about republicans getting full control of government in 2024 and passing anti-abortion legislation that would make abortion illegal in the US. It seems that the court deciding that abortion is a state issue has shot that down removing any hope of a united country on this issue.

 

[miketx]

Lol, the butchers in the blue states will still murder babies so you're all good.

 

[Concerned American]

his ruling undermines a number of other federal rulings for example the states right to forbid interracial marriage as well as gay marriages.

Apples and oranges. Murdering innocent souls is not, in any way, comparable to marriage decisions that are addressed in the constitutional equal rights amendments.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

When discussing the overturning of Rowe V Wade, all discussions focused on abortion. However there are going to be some unexpected results other allowing states to control abortion.

Reading the draft opinion, the underpinnings for the decision is no constitutional basis for Rowe therefore it is a state not a federal issue. The draft went into details explaining why there was no implied right to abortion and thus the 4th and 16th amendment were not applicable. With this majority opinion it becomes clear that there is more going on than just giving states control over abortion.

As has been mentioned elsewhere, this ruling undermines a number of other federal rulings for example the states right to forbid interracial marriage as well as gay marriages. It also weakens the case for federal laws managing healthcare such as HIPPA and Obamacare, federal aid to education, etc. It is a huge victory for state rights with the potential to totally upend the America we know.

Another result of the ruling is political. Will support for antiabortion in the Republican party be as strong after Rowe is overturned as before? I think not. Support for antiabortion in the Republican Party comes from the religious right and the anti-big government crowd who strongly favor states rights. When Rowe is law of the land, these two groups were united in the desire abolish federal protection for abortion. With state control of abortion there is going to be less enthusiasm for antiabortion within the party. Over the last 20 years, 30% of the party has become a member on a non-Christian religion or none at all. The second reason I think that support is going to drop is that the big national battle is over. Although there will be fighting in most states, in some states it will just be a non-issue.

Before the court draft came out, I was reading articles about republicans getting full control of government in 2024 and passing anti-abortion legislation that would make abortion illegal in the US. It seems that the court deciding that abortion is a state issue has shot that down removing any hope of a united country on this issue.

In other words the stage has been set for this country to become Russia. That seems to be what the Red Square Republicans want

 

[eagle1462010]

Red States will decide for themselves when live begins and will not have to answer to a ruling that has slaughtered unborn babies for CONVENIENCE................

They got all hot and heavy and got knocked up. So. Let's just end it by killing the unborn.........

I can to a degree compromise..........but where I refuse to compromise is LATE TERM...........Unless the mother's life is in danger via A DOCTOR.............IT IS BARBARISM.

Anyone who does that or brags about it...........If FUCKING EVIL.

 

[Flopper]

Apples and oranges. Murdering innocent souls is not, in any way, comparable to marriage decisions that are addressed in the constitutional equal rights amendments.

what constitutional equal rights amendments?

 

[Flopper]

In other words the stage has been set for this country to become Russia

Quite the contrary. The stage is set to move control of goverment from the federal government to the states. Russia would love to see anything that weakens the federal government.

 

[Circe]

Unexpected consequences? Much, much more black crime, duh, as black males grow up who would have been aborted and start mugging and robbing and gangbusting and killing. This has been a well-known side-effect of abortion rights since 1972, since black women avail themselves of abortion much more often than white women.

I think you male conservatives are crazy that you let this black population explosion happen.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Red States will decide for themselves when live begins and will not have to answer to a ruling that has slaughtered unborn babies for CONVENIENCE................

They got all hot and heavy and got knocked up. So. Let's just end it by killing the unborn.........

I can to a degree compromise..........but where I refuse to compromise is LATE TERM...........Unless the mother's life is in danger via A DOCTOR.............IT IS BARBARISM.

Anyone who does that or brags about it...........If FUCKING EVIL.

Most people, including us liberals do not approve of late term abortions in most cases.

The compromise that most anti abortion people refuse to make is, if we seriously restrict or outlaw abortion, lets support social safety net programs like health care, nutritional programs, paid family leave and affordable day care to name just a few. Those who do not support those things are not pro life. They are full of shit

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Quite the contrary. The stage is set to move control of goverment from the federal government to the states. Russia would love to see anything that weakens the federal government.

Well then we should just rip up the constitution and revert to the Articles of Confederation.

 

[Flopper]

Unexpected consequences? Much, much more black crime, duh, as black males grow up who would have been aborted and start mugging and robbing and gangbusting and killing. This has been a well-known side-effect of abortion rights since 1972, since black women avail themselves of abortion much more often than white women.

I think you male conservatives are crazy that you let this black population explosion happen.

Not just black but poor families, the more kids there are in poor family the less likely they are to get an education and more likely they are to turn to crime. Fortunately our biggest cities will continued to have abortion rights protected. However, there many large cities 500,000 to million that are republican will see poor neighbors explode.

 

[Circe]

Not just black but poor families, the more kids there are in poor family the less likely they are to get an education and more likely they are to turn to crime. Fortunately our biggest cities will continued to have abortion rights protected. However, there many large cities 500,000 to million that are republican will see poor neighbors explode.

Oh, smart, conservative males ----------------------------- reeeeeeeeeeal smart.

 

[Flopper]

Most people, including us liberals do not approve of late term abortions in most cases.

The compromise that most anti abortion people refuse to make is, if we seriously restrict or outlaw abortion, lets support social safety net programs like health care, nutritional programs, paid family leave and affordable day care to name just a few. Those who do not support those things are not pro life. They are full of shit

Nonsense 90% of abortions occur in the 1st trimester (12 weeks). When you look at the reason behind these terminations after the first trimester, overwhelmingly these are for pregnancies that are very problematic—a fetal anomaly, perhaps something that is incompatible with life. To force a woman to give birth to child that can live only a few hours is just plain inhumane. For the most part, these are desperately desired pregnancies. 2nd trimester abortions that lack medical complications are very rare.

This Is Why People Get Second-Trimester Abortions

It's usually not for the reasons some might think.

www.self.com

 

[Flopper]

Well then we should just rip up the constitution and revert to the Articles of Confederation.

99% of what is in the constitution is exactly as it should be. it is what is missing that is causing the problems. All constitutions require interpretation but since our constitution is long on powers, short on rights, and very difficult to change it has to be liberally interpreted. The founders were so concerned about limiting power of government that all our rights were an after thought. The Supreme Court which is on equal footing with Congress and Executive branch is not even mentioned in the constitution.

 

[eagle1462010]

Most people, including us liberals do not approve of late term abortions in most cases.

The compromise that most anti abortion people refuse to make is, if we seriously restrict or outlaw abortion, lets support social safety net programs like health care, nutritional programs, paid family leave and affordable day care to name just a few. Those who do not support those things are not pro life. They are full of shit

Then ban late term abortion in your states...............You haven't ............so you are full of shit.

 

[Flopper]

Then ban late term abortion in your states...............You haven't ............so you are full of shit.

Banning late term abortions will force a women to give birth to a child that has no chance of survival. So most late term abortion laws allow the doctor to make the decision as to weather the abortion is warranted which makes the law rather pointless.

 

[eagle1462010]

Banning late term abortions will force a women to give birth to a child that has no chance of survival. So most late term abortion laws allow the doctor to make the decision as to weather the abortion is warranted which makes the law rather pointless.

Yawn I've already said it would be up to a doctor..........many are still done for just I don't want it.

 

[Flopper]

Yawn I've already said it would be up to a doctor..........many are still done for just I don't want it.

Almost all are are done in the 1st trimester, mostly within 8 weeks. I can't think of any reason a woman would want to go through more than 12 weeks of pregnancy then abort. Early abortions are easier, safer, and cheaper than late abortions.

This is why I don't think there is going to be a big drop in the number of abortions after Rowe v Wade. Most of the states that ban abortion will permit it in the first trimester and that's 90% of the abortions. Couple that with the number of states that have no restrictions and out of state abortions, I doubt if there will be more than a 10% to 15% decrease.

 

[BluesLegend]

The pro abortion types are going straight to hell so in the end they will get what's coming to them. In the mean time we'll put a stop to their slaughter of the innocent.

 

[Concerned American]

what constitutional equal rights amendments?

The fourteenth for one.