Under Trump, Health Care and insurance going up for all Americans and for a large number, they will no longer have any!

[Seymour Flops]

Before I post a detailed answer to your statement above, I want to say one thing "have you ever seen greed be put aside by anyone"? Greed is human nature, and the greed will always find ways to provide less and still keep profits up to what they want.

Yes, of course. That's why we need to free market, not a market regulated by a congress that is for sale to the highest bidder.

Anyhow, here is the response:

Potential $32 Billion Revenue Loss for U.S. Healthcare if ACA Subsidies Expire​

September 25, 2025​

U.S. healthcare providers face a potential revenue loss exceeding $32 billion next year if the enhanced subsidies for Affordable Care Act (ACA) plans are not extended, according to an analysis by the Urban Institute. These subsidies, initially implemented during the COVID-19 pandemic to increase insurance coverage, removed the cap on tax credit eligibility and limited premiums for enrollees, thus making healthcare plans more affordable for low- and middle-income Americans. With over 24 million people currently covered by ACA plans, the expiration of these subsidies could lead to 4 to 5 million Americans losing their insurance coverage, significantly impacting hospitals and doctors who may see a rise in uncompensated care by an estimated $7.7 billion. Hospitals are projected to lose $14.2 billion, and spending on prescription drugs could decrease by $5.8 billion, among other impacts.

That is not a detailed answer to my statement above. It is a cut-and-paste of an article you appear not to have read and analyzed.

You know why it says "potential?" Because whoever wrote that knows that such a loss is not going to happen. Not unless NOTHING else changes except the reduction in subsidies. In otherwords, theoretically, if companies did nothing to respond to the loss of a part of the subsidies, they will lose $32 Billion in revenues. Of course they will respond.

I don't think that you are taking into account were that money comes from. Look at these two sentences from the article you linked:

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that extending these subsidies permanently would cost $358 billion over the next decade,

U.S. healthcare providers face a potential revenue loss exceeding $32 billion next year if the enhanced subsidies for Affordable Care Act (ACA) plans are not extended,

$32 billion per year over the next decade would be $320 billion. So continuing the subsidies will cost taxpayers $320 billion and give insurance companies 358 billion - according to the article you cited as authoritative.

Why should taxpayers give $320 billion of their hard-earned dollars to the insurance companies - along with the money they give them for health insurance premiums?

Why are you so eager to protect the corporate profits of this one industry? Really two, because much of that money goes to big pharma.

I have to say, this "debating" by cutting and pasting from articles you hastily look up is getting boring. You are interesting when you use your own words, so please do more of that.

 

[Seymour Flops]

are you evading the question?

What you present here is not a poll but the results of the electoral college votes in November 2024.

What else counts?

This is now 11 months LATER and if the electoral college was in play right now, I guarantee you the results would be different. This entire OP is about Trump's actions these past 9 months and how it has affected the amount of acceptance he NOW has.

Geezus!

You cannot "guarantee" it would be different. Not unless the Dems ran a different candidate, that is for sure.

You really think if we redid the election right now, people would rush to the polls so Harris could restore Biden level illegal migration and parole granting?

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

You are so biased that facts fly past your head and you never see them.

For what it's worth to you. I am not a Democrat (I am an Independent) but as a thinking person,

LOL, you voted for Hillary, Biden, and Kamala. That makes you a Democrat no matter how much you wish to "identify" as something else.

 

[justoffal]

Health care has always been one of the top 2 concerns for Americans. Nonetheless, under Trump that has become a problem as health insurance has (and will continue) to go up in price and with Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill", 10-15 million Americans will lose their health insurance (Medicare and Medicaid).



With Health Care being so important and critical to Americans, why is Trump doing this?

Oh, and by the way, Trump has been pushing one lie in order to justify what he is doing. He has stated that illegal immigrants were getting health care from the government under Biden, but that is a big lie given that it is unlawful to do that and it has not been done at all (Zero).

GOP misleads with claim that Democrats shut down to give health care to 'illegal immigrants'​

U.S. law prohibits federal health care benefits for undocumented immigrants. Democrats want to return benefits for those with lawful presence, like DACA recipients and asylum-seekers.

By the Numbers: Harmful Republican Megabill Will Take Health Coverage Away From Millions of People and Raise Families’ Costs​

Once again, all of our pockets and the health care we receive is being affected negatively by Trump's policies.

5 Ways the Trump Administration Is Driving Up Health Care ...​

It also needs to be mentioned that the Government is presently shut down and Trump is trying to force the Democrats to give in or he will start firing government employees. The Democrats have refused to give in because giving in means that they would agree to allow Medicaid and Medicare to be taken from millions of Americans and also allow for the expenditures involved in the Bill that would increase YOUR own health care costs.

as it is:

Sanders Report Finds Nearly 700 Prescription Drugs Have ...​

3 days ago — The report also finds that 87 drugs increased in price after Trump sent letters to drug manufacturers. The median price increase was 8%.

You want that to continue to happen to YOU?

Do you read any of your own BS?


The law cuts $1.1 trillion from Medicaid and ACA marketplaces, according to Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates. Major cuts include a provision that takes away Medicaid from people who are eligible for the ACA Medicaid expansion but can’t show that they meet a work requirement, other red tape that will block people from enrolling in health coverage they are eligible for, and provisions that take away health coverage, across all major programs, from most categories

The above paragraph is a self indictment of the entire issue.....

I can't believe that the article's authors are actually complaining about this ...most Americans approve of what the paragraph is complaining about.

The disconnect just keeps getting wider.

Jo

 

[justoffal]

Illegals are NOT getting health care!!!

Covid Subsidies went away long ago and yet health care costs are up this year (under Trump). He promised that they would go down. That means he either lied or failed!

Oh, and by the way, are you personally happy and willing to accept paying more for your health insurance and drugs?

Don't know what neighborhood you live in ..
Here the clinics are bursting at the seams with illegals....

 

[Nostra]

I’m still waiting in the $2500 Barry Hussein promised.

 

[Luckyone]

LOL, you voted for Hillary, Biden, and Kamala. That makes you a Democrat no matter how much you wish to "identify" as something else.

I did not vote for Hillary and my vote for Biden and Kamala was not in favor of them but against Trump (the worse of the choices given to us).

That does not make me a Democrat. What it makes me is an "Anti-Trumper" that prefers sickness rather than death.

None of us were given any other viable choices.

 

[Luckyone]

What else counts?

You cannot "guarantee" it would be different. Not unless the Dems ran a different candidate, that is for sure.

You really think if we redid the election right now, people would rush to the polls so Harris could restore Biden level illegal migration and parole granting?

Again, do I need to remind you that among Trump supporters, his approval rating has dropped from 90% down to 81%. This means that 1 in 5 (instead of 1 in 10) among his loyal base continue to support him. This fact would change the electoral college vote if it was done today.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Again, do I need to remind you that among Trump supporters, his approval rating has dropped from 90% down to 81%. This means that 1 in 5 (instead of 1 in 10) among his loyal base continue to support him. This fact would change the electoral college vote if it was done today.

So, which Democrat or "not Democrat" could beat his chosen successor in 2028?

 

[justoffal]

I’m still waiting in the $2500 Barry Hussein promised.

He has it ... But it's in his bank not yours.

 

[Luckyone]

So, which Democrat or "not Democrat" could beat his chosen successor in 2028?

That is not a topic for discussion, especially at this time (2025). This OP is about what Trump is doing that will end up hurting Americans. This is not about who might replace him.

 

[justoffal]

That is not a topic for discussion, especially at this time (2025). This OP is about what Trump is doing that will end up hurting Americans. This is not about who might replace him.

Everything every president does has been described as hurting Americans. By both sides.
Or all 15 sides whichever you choose.

There isn't a single action or law that doesn't grieve somebody somewhere.

 

[Luckyone]

Yes, of course. That's why we need to free market, not a market regulated by a congress that is for sale to the highest bidder.

That is not a detailed answer to my statement above. It is a cut-and-paste of an article you appear not to have read and analyzed.

You know why it says "potential?" Because whoever wrote that knows that such a loss is not going to happen. Not unless NOTHING else changes except the reduction in subsidies. In otherwords, theoretically, if companies did nothing to respond to the loss of a part of the subsidies, they will lose $32 Billion in revenues. Of course they will respond.

I don't think that you are taking into account were that money comes from. Look at these two sentences from the article you linked:

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that extending these subsidies permanently would cost $358 billion over the next decade,

U.S. healthcare providers face a potential revenue loss exceeding $32 billion next year if the enhanced subsidies for Affordable Care Act (ACA) plans are not extended,

$32 billion per year over the next decade would be $320 billion. So continuing the subsidies will cost taxpayers $320 billion and give insurance companies 358 billion - according to the article you cited as authoritative.

Why should taxpayers give $320 billion of their hard-earned dollars to the insurance companies - along with the money they give them for health insurance premiums?

Why are you so eager to protect the corporate profits of this one industry? Really two, because much of that money goes to big pharma.

I have to say, this "debating" by cutting and pasting from articles you hastily look up is getting boring. You are interesting when you use your own words, so please do more of that.

Meaning that if you are a taxpayer in need of Health Insurance but cannot afford it, tough shit, right? Live with it for the benefit of the others than can afford the higher rate. I mean after all, we are not a "NATION" but a country with over 3.4 million individual islands, where asking others to work together for the benefit of the entire nation should be ignored, correct?

 

[Seymour Flops]

That is not a topic for discussion, especially at this time (2025). This OP is about what Trump is doing that will end up hurting Americans. This is not about who might replace him.

But you said of the election we're done over today the result would be the opposite.

So shouldn't your answer be kamala harris could beat trump's chosen successor in twenty twenty eight?

 

[Luckyone]

But you said of the election we're done over today the result would be the opposite.

So shouldn't your answer be kamala harris could beat trump's chosen successor in twenty twenty eight?

Yes, meaning that if Mickey Mouse was the Democratic candidate running against Trump, Trump would still get less electoral votes than in 2024.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Meaning that if you are a taxpayer in need of Health Insurance but cannot afford it, tough shit, right? Live with it for the benefit of the others than can afford the higher rate. I mean after all, we are not a "NATION" but a country with over 3.4 million individual islands, where asking others to work together for the benefit of the entire nation should be ignored, correct?

No, I didnt say anything like that.

I asked why you want taxpayers to pony up $358 Billion over the next decade for a subsidy that was temporary and supposedly needed due to COVID.

Most taxpayers get health insurance through their jobs. They won't lose it just because private insurance loses a subsidy. Employers negotiate relatively low rates and share the premium costs with their covered employees.

The subsidy mainly helps people who work off the books such as illegals, struggling entrepreneurs and artists who want help from working people so they don't have to become one, and early retirers not yet eligible for Medicare.

But mainly it allows insurance providers to raise their rates without losing customers and pass much of the extra revenue to Big Pharma.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes, meaning that if Mickey Mouse was the Democratic candidate running against Trump, Trump would still get less electoral votes than in 2024.

Is it not discouraging to be so loyal to a Party that has such poor candidates that you have to substitute a cartoon character rather than naming one of them for the sake of not instantly losing the argument?

There will not be a "not Trump" or "not Trump's successor" box to check on the ballot. Anyone wanting to vote against Trump's successor, in the primary and/or the general will have to put a check on name of a real person.

Who?

 

[Mac1958]

I did not vote for Hillary and my vote for Biden and Kamala was not in favor of them but against Trump (the worse of the choices given to us).
That does not make me a Democrat. What it makes me is an "Anti-Trumper" that prefers sickness rather than death.

Trust me, they don't understand the distinction.

You're either a mindless Trumpster or an evil commie leftist Democrat. That's as deep as they get.

 

[scruffy]

False. Debunked in multiple threads. California alone costs the U.S. taxpayer payer billions in providing Medicaid to illegals.

Leftards are liars.

They lie ALL the time, about EVERYTHING.

 

[Luckyone]

Trust me, they don't understand the distinction.

You're either a mindless Trumpster or an evil commie leftist Democrat. That's as deep as they get.

I have to agree with you. It is sad though