Under Trump, Health Care and insurance going up for all Americans and for a large number, they will no longer have any!

[JohnDB]

This is not about "believing" but about what is written by law. It is you that believes blindly what one man says. What does that make you?

Even Democrats said it until two weeks ago.

 

[j-mac]

Even Democrats said it until two weeks ago.

Full stop, good job JohnDB.

 

[Greenbeard]

Even Democrats said it until two weeks ago.

Alas, no one's buying this line of bullshit.

 

[Luckyone]

Even Democrats said it until two weeks ago.

Does not change what I stated

 

[Hafar1014]

Does not change what I stated

Democrats are the party of illegals. Pure stupidity

 

[Luckyone]

If it was just ONE person.....

But its literally EVERYONE except blue dog Democrats.

A new Marquette Law School national survey shows approval of President Donald Trump's overall job performance in September stands at 43%, with disapproval at 57%.

The latest approval rating continues a series of small declines since Trump took office in January, when 48% approved and 52% disapproved.

Approval remains strong among Republicans at 81%, although this rating is eight percentage points lower than it was in January and shows almost one-in-five Republicans now disapprove of Trump's job performance. Democratic approval is 8% — one point lower than it was in January.

 

[Luckyone]

If anyone has any complaints about their health care or its costs- Trump isn't the one who signed the ACA.

Trump's plan- Trumpcare- rejected by the Democrats and Sen. McCain- would have provided tremendous health care at unbelievable savings.

Prove that the plan offered "tremendous health care and unbelievable savings". and if you can prove it (which I doubt), then tell me what had to be given up to accomplish that.

 

[Luckyone]

Democrats are the party of illegals. Pure stupidity

You are so biased that facts fly past your head and you never see them.

For what it's worth to you. I am not a Democrat (I am an Independent) but as a thinking person, I realize that no one is perfect and that if you look, you can ALWAYS find examples that prove your point.

The important thing is to "compare" the choices and when I do that, I find that the Republicans are a party that favors a Dictatorship that will end 249 years of what has made our country great (A Democratic Republic), meaning that the Right is worse than the left.

Stupidity can be fixed. Dictatorship can't.

 

[Hafar1014]

You are so biased that facts fly past your head and you never see them.

For what it's worth to you. I am not a Democrat (I am an Independent) but as a thinking person, I realize that no one is perfect and that if you look, you can ALWAYS find examples that prove your point.

The important thing is to "compare" the choices and when I do that, I find that the Republicans are a party that favors a Dictatorship that will end 249 years of what has made our country great (A Democratic Republic), meaning that the Right is worse than the left.

Stupidity can be fixed. Dictatorship can't.

The democrats open border policy is the reason democrats are now in serious decline. Millions have left democrat states which means the 2030 census will cut 12 seats in the house and give them to GOP states. The plan was bring in millions of illegals attract them to democrat states with free benefits and increase the census. Then grant immunity and create 10 million voters and one party rule. Well how did that work out. Thousands of rapists, child molesters, drug pushers, mental patients, gang members, traffickers, drunks killing people, murderers killing people all went to sanctuary cities. Crime exploded in democrat cities. What did they do? Cover it up. Now they are in decline as this exploded in their faces

 

[Polishprince]

Prove that the plan offered "tremendous health care and unbelievable savings". and if you can prove it (which I doubt), then tell me what had to be given up to accomplish that.

President Trump made it crystal clear what Trump Care was all about, if you had just listened.

McCain voted against it merely out of spite.

 

[Seymour Flops]

They will have no choice, given that Pharma, hospitals, doctors, nurses will all be forced to charge more because if they don't, they will go out of business. It is a lose, lose situation for all

Who will have no choice? The consumer?

So you believe that insurance companies will keep charging the same rates they charge now while consumers only pay a fraction of it, expecting the consumer to make up for it by giving two thirds of their salary to the Insurance companies?

No.

Insurance companies will lower their premiums to pre-COVID subsidy rates. They won't like it, but it beats going out of business.

 

[Seymour Flops]

A new Marquette Law School national survey shows approval of President Donald Trump's overall job performance in September stands at 43%, with disapproval at 57%.

The latest approval rating continues a series of small declines since Trump took office in January, when 48% approved and 52% disapproved.

Approval remains strong among Republicans at 81%, although this rating is eight percentage points lower than it was in January and shows almost one-in-five Republicans now disapprove of Trump's job performance. Democratic approval is 8% — one point lower than it was in January.

Are these the same pollsters who said that Trump couldn't win in 2024?

 

[Luckyone]

Are these the same pollsters who said that Trump couldn't win in 2024?

Instead of looking for excuses, show me ANY poll that says that Trump has a positive approval rating!

 

[Rawley]

Bullshit. No one believes that lie.

HE does. HIs Masters have told him that

 

[westwall]

HE does. HIs Masters have told him that

No, not even he believes it.

 

[Luckyone]

Who will have no choice? The consumer?

So you believe that insurance companies will keep charging the same rates they charge now while consumers only pay a fraction of it, expecting the consumer to make up for it by giving two thirds of their salary to the Insurance companies?

No.

Insurance companies will lower their premiums to pre-COVID subsidy rates. They won't like it, but it beats going out of business.

You did not read my comment correctly.

It did not say "the consumer will not have any choice"

It said the "companies" (businesses, will have no choice.

You do know that companies are in it to make a profit, don't you?

If their supply of products goes up in price, they are forced to raise their own prices in order to make a profit. If they don't, they will be losing money, and they can't do that. If the suppliers of the products are not covering THEIR costs and also are losing money, the supply will be cut, which makes things ever costlier (or not available.

So tell me how Trump can prevent that from happening?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Instead of looking for excuses, show me ANY poll that says that Trump has a positive approval rating!

Sure!

 

[Seymour Flops]

You did not read my comment correctly.

It did not say "the consumer will not have any choice"

No, it said "they" will not have any choice. So I asked for clarification.

It said the "companies" (businesses, will have no choice.

It said:

They will have no choice,

Thank you for clarifying.

You do know that companies are in it to make a profit, don't you?

They sure are. By any means necessary.

If their supply of products goes up in price, they are forced to raise their own prices in order to make a profit.

Insurance companies were making hundreds of billions in profits before Obamacare. Obamacare subsidies increased their profit. The COVID era increase in Obamacare subsidies increased their profits even more.

Eliminating the COVID era increase in subsidies, will only reduce their profits by the amount of extra profit they are making off of the COVID era increases. It will not eliminate the Obamacare extra profits, nor the profits they were making before Obamacare

If they don't, they will be losing money, and they can't do that. If the suppliers of the products are not covering THEIR costs and also are losing money, the supply will be cut, which makes things ever costlier (or not available.

They won't lose money. They will continue to make money but without the windfall the Biden-era increases gave them.

So tell me how Trump can prevent that from happening?

The market will prevent it from happening. If average people have five to six hundred per month they can reasonably afford to spend on health premiums, the insurance companies will come up with policies to sell them for that price.

In the incredibly unlikely, borderline fantasy event they say "NO! We were getting more than two thousand a month, premiums and subsidies combined, and we won't sell policies if we cannot continue to get that much!" Other cash rich businesses will step to the plate to get those customers.

The insurance companies may angrily cut back on donations to Congressmen, Senators, and their PAC's, but since legislators sell themselves to the insurance and pharma industry in such a bi-partisan way, neither "side" will be disadvantaged.

Thread 'How Obamacare Subsidies Circulate: Where does the Money Flow?'

Oct 4, 2025

The dots are easy to connect.

Congress raises subsidies for Obamacare premiums. Insurance companies raise their premiums, in order to capture that money, while consumers pay roughly the same. The promised $1,500 dollars in savings for each consumer never happened of course, because of this raising of the prices to match the government's contribution.

The insurance companies announce that they will pay for the COVID "vaccines" developed at taxpayer expense, so that anyone insured can get it free by walking into their pharmacy. Since it is "free" Big Pharma can charge as much as the...

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[Luckyone]

No, it said "they" will not have any choice. So I asked for clarification.

It said:


Thank you for clarifying.

They sure are. By any means necessary.

Insurance companies were making hundreds of billions in profits before Obamacare. Obamacare subsidies increased their profit. The COVID era increase in Obamacare subsidies increased their profits even more.

Eliminating the COVID era increase in subsidies, will only reduce their profits by the amount of extra profit they are making off of the COVID era increases. It will not eliminate the Obamacare extra profits, nor the profits they were making before Obamacare

They won't lose money. They will continue to make money but without the windfall the Biden-era increases gave them.

The market will prevent it from happening. If average people have five to six hundred per month they can reasonably afford to spend on health premiums, the insurance companies will come up with policies to sell them for that price.

In the incredibly unlikely, borderline fantasy event they say "NO! We were getting more than two thousand a month, premiums and subsidies combined, and we won't sell policies if we cannot continue to get that much!" Other cash rich businesses will step to the plate to get those customers.

The insurance companies may angrily cut back on donations to Congressmen, Senators, and their PAC's, but since legislators sell themselves to the insurance and pharma industry in such a bi-partisan way, neither "side" will be disadvantaged.

Before I post a detailed answer to your statement above, I want to say one thing "have you ever seen greed be put aside by anyone"? Greed is human nature, and the greed will always find ways to provide less and still keep profits up to what they want.

Anyhow, here is the response:

Potential $32 Billion Revenue Loss for U.S. Healthcare if ACA Subsidies Expire​

September 25, 2025​

U.S. healthcare providers face a potential revenue loss exceeding $32 billion next year if the enhanced subsidies for Affordable Care Act (ACA) plans are not extended, according to an analysis by the Urban Institute. These subsidies, initially implemented during the COVID-19 pandemic to increase insurance coverage, removed the cap on tax credit eligibility and limited premiums for enrollees, thus making healthcare plans more affordable for low- and middle-income Americans. With over 24 million people currently covered by ACA plans, the expiration of these subsidies could lead to 4 to 5 million Americans losing their insurance coverage, significantly impacting hospitals and doctors who may see a rise in uncompensated care by an estimated $7.7 billion. Hospitals are projected to lose $14.2 billion, and spending on prescription drugs could decrease by $5.8 billion, among other impacts.

 

[Luckyone]

Sure!

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are you evading the question?

What you present here is not a poll but the results of the electoral college votes in November 2024.

This is now 11 months LATER and if the electoral college was in play right now, I guarantee you the results would be different. This entire OP is about Trump's actions these past 9 months and how it has affected the amount of acceptance he NOW has.

Geezus!