"Unalienable rights" Our rights Come From G-d Not Government

[occupied]

You ever read Leviticus? God does not think you have any rights, he only requires your obedience to religious authority or you burn in hell. The only reason there is even the idea of rights is when people broke with "divine" monarchies and callous priesthoods and started thinking for themselves. God indeed.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You ever read Leviticus? God does not think you have any rights, he only requires your obedience to religious authority or you burn in hell. The only reason there is even the idea of rights is when people broke with "divine" monarchies and callous priesthoods and started thinking for themselves. God indeed.

Correct.

For the most part, the history of religion relates a history of oppression and tyranny when conjoined with government; hence the wisdom of the Framers to ensure church and state remain separate, and why they codified this principle in the Constitution.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I don't know if God gave us the rights or not but it is a fact that men are the ones to enforce those rights, not some supernatural being who appears to have little enforcement power here on earth.

Men didn't give us our natural rights. all the government's role should be is to keep people from infringing are the rights of others. Liberals love to infringe on people's rights. Take their money ..Take their property.. Give it to people they think deserve in more

Ignorant nonsense.

Liberals have been at the forefront of protecting individual liberty from government encroachment for the last 60 years, from ending segregation and discrimination during the 1950’s to fighting for the civil liberties of same-sex couples and transgender persons today.

And conservatives have fought against efforts to limit the power of government and protect individual liberty during that entire time, if not longer.

The fight against individual rights on the part of the right wing continues unabated. Name a basic right and the right wing wants a law against it and always in the name of their god. IOW, sharia law.

If not for liberals, there would be no United States and there would certainly not be a Constitution.

 

[bripat9643]

In order to prove that your rights come from God you have to

1. Prove God exists

2. Prove that God did in fact give us rights

3. Identify, in detail, what those rights are (and conversely what they aren't)

4. Prove that the rights in 3 above were in fact the ones that God so named.

I don't claim they come from god. I claim they are natural, ie., they come from nature. They are part of your biological makeup. For instance, your right to life. Every animal behaves as if he has a right to live. If they didn't, then antelope would meekly stand still while Lions attacked them.

That's meaningless.

Many animals also have their own governments, with some in positions of authority, some subordinate. They depend on that government for their survival.

What are you babbling about? Government doesn't create rights, so your theory, whatever it is, is bogus.

 

[Jroc]

I don't know if God gave us the rights or not but it is a fact that men are the ones to enforce those rights, not some supernatural being who appears to have little enforcement power here on earth.

Men didn't give us our natural rights. all the government's role should be is to keep people from infringing are the rights of others. Liberals love to infringe on people's rights. Take their money ..Take their property.. Give it to people they think deserve in more

Ignorant nonsense.

Liberals have been at the forefront of protecting individual liberty from government encroachment for the last 60 years, from ending segregation and discrimination during the 1950’s to fighting for the civil liberties of same-sex couples and transgender persons today.

And conservatives have fought against efforts to limit the power of government and protect individual liberty during that entire time, if not longer.

Thats a joke right? liberal, democrat party is the party of segregation, discrimination and slavery, and marriage is not right, just like as driving a car is not a right. If it were a right, anyone could get married to anything. The Democrat party is the party of slavery, always has been and still is, they still seek to enslave people to big government tyranny, although there are of course a lot of liberal Republicans who go along with them, but they are not true American conservatives

 

[Jroc]

God does not rule on Earth Satan does through his man made empires. While one may note that God promises certain things, those promises are not fulfilled until after Jesus destroys Satan.

So spiritually you may have rights but Man through Satan controls the world and man determines what rights you will ACTUALLY have until Jesus returns.

Having said that we have certain rights promised us by Our Government and those rights should be enforced defended and fought for. The Government has no authority to remove abridge or lessen those rights without first changing the Constitution.

this wasn't actually meant to be a thread on religion. It was started to make the point that we are borne with natural rights from our creator we don't get our rights from government.

 

[Jroc]

I don't know if God gave us the rights or not but it is a fact that men are the ones to enforce those rights, not some supernatural being who appears to have little enforcement power here on earth.

Men didn't give us our natural rights. all the government's role should be is to keep people from infringing are the rights of others. Liberals love to infringe on people's rights. Take their money ..Take their property.. Give it to people they think deserve in more

How do you know what's a right and what isn't? When did God give you that list?

Is abortion a right?

You don't have the right to end another person life. That's the debate isn't it? is the baby a life or isn't it?

 

[bripat9643]

I don't know if God gave us the rights or not but it is a fact that men are the ones to enforce those rights, not some supernatural being who appears to have little enforcement power here on earth.

Men didn't give us our natural rights. all the government's role should be is to keep people from infringing are the rights of others. Liberals love to infringe on people's rights. Take their money ..Take their property.. Give it to people they think deserve in more

How do you know what's a right and what isn't? When did God give you that list?

Is abortion a right?

Men discover what rights are the same way scientists discover the physical laws of nature.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Men didn't give us our natural rights. all the government's role should be is to keep people from infringing are the rights of others. Liberals love to infringe on people's rights. Take their money ..Take their property.. Give it to people they think deserve in more

How do you know what's a right and what isn't? When did God give you that list?

Is abortion a right?

You don't have the right to end another person life. That's the debate isn't it? is the baby a life or isn't it?

That's interesting. You want to first claim that our rights come from God, but then you want to set yourself up as God's messenger to tell what, specifically, those rights are,

or aren't.

How convenient.

 

[Political Junky]

If our rights come from God, then everyone in the world has the same rights we do.

 

[Jroc]

How do you know what's a right and what isn't? When did God give you that list?

Is abortion a right?

You don't have the right to end another person life. That's the debate isn't it? is the baby a life or isn't it?

That's interesting. You want to first claim that our rights come from God, but then you want to set yourself up as God's messenger to tell what, specifically, those rights are,

or aren't.

How convenient.

We don't have the right to murder. There are laws to insure a civil society that's one the roles of government

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Man made Satan run Governments societies and functionaries decide what rights those under their power have.

Until Jesus returns Satan rules here.

There are no innate rights only those rights that can be protected enforced or instilled.

When Jesus wipes out Satan and his armies then God's law will apply and the rights he promises will be what we have.

 

[NYcarbineer]

please tell us what the words "endowed by their creator" mean and where those words are found?

Men who were willing to shed their own blood for their freedom wrote those words.

Just because SOME of them believed in imaginary sky fairies does not take away from their sacrifice and courage.

Just once, THINK.

A belief in a higher power was the common belief of the founders and remains the belief of a vast majority of the people of the entire world.

You are free to be an athiest if you choose, but attempting to denigrate the majority will get you nothing.

Rights endowed by the creator sometimes have to be secured by men when other men attempt to take them away.

Using terms like "sky fairies" just confirms that you are an ignorant, intolerant, scum sucking asshole. i.e. a typical liberal.

If people are not capable of reason then they are not capable of self-government. Reason does not require instruction from a supernatural unseen being that only exists as an exercise in faith.

 

[Jroc]

Man made Satan run Governments societies and functionaries decide what rights those under their power have.

Until Jesus returns Satan rules here.

There are no innate rights only those rights that can be protected enforced or instilled.

When Jesus wipes out Satan and his armies then God's law will apply and the rights he promises will be what we have.

Dude...this isn't thread on religious philosophy

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Man made Satan run Governments societies and functionaries decide what rights those under their power have.

Until Jesus returns Satan rules here.

There are no innate rights only those rights that can be protected enforced or instilled.

When Jesus wipes out Satan and his armies then God's law will apply and the rights he promises will be what we have.

Dude...this isn't thread on religious philosophy

You are claiming something that simply is not true and I am pointing it out. You don't like it? To bad.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You don't have the right to end another person life. That's the debate isn't it? is the baby a life or isn't it?

That's interesting. You want to first claim that our rights come from God, but then you want to set yourself up as God's messenger to tell what, specifically, those rights are,

or aren't.

How convenient.

We don't have the right to murder. There are laws to insure a civil society that's one the roles of government

Do we have the right to define murder? If our rights come from God, then we should know by whatever means God informs us whether or not abortion is murder,

or a right.

 

[Jroc]

Man made Satan run Governments societies and functionaries decide what rights those under their power have.

Until Jesus returns Satan rules here.

There are no innate rights only those rights that can be protected enforced or instilled.

When Jesus wipes out Satan and his armies then God's law will apply and the rights he promises will be what we have.

Dude...this isn't thread on religious philosophy

You are claiming something that simply is not true and I am pointing it out. You don't like it? To bad.

What's not true? we don't have natural rights? This country was founded on the that premise.

 

[Jroc]

That's interesting. You want to first claim that our rights come from God, but then you want to set yourself up as God's messenger to tell what, specifically, those rights are,

or aren't.

How convenient.

We don't have the right to murder. There are laws to insure a civil society that's one the roles of government

Do we have the right to define murder? If our rights come from God, then we should know by whatever means God informs us whether or not abortion is murder,

or a right.

Murder is the killing of another human being..Is the fetus a human being?..thats the argument. Biblically abortion is not permitted in the bible unless the life of the mother is at risk ,but that's not the topic of this thread. The topic is where do we get our rights?

 

[Political Junky]

We don't have the right to murder. There are laws to insure a civil society that's one the roles of government

Do we have the right to define murder? If our rights come from God, then we should know by whatever means God informs us whether or not abortion is murder,

or a right.

Murder is the killing of another human being..Is the fetus a human being?..thats the argument. Biblically abortion is not permitted in the bible unless the life of the mother is at risk ,but that's not the topic of this thread. The topic is where do we get our rights?

Give us chapter and verse from your Bible.

 

[Jroc]

Do we have the right to define murder? If our rights come from God, then we should know by whatever means God informs us whether or not abortion is murder,

or a right.

Murder is the killing of another human being..Is the fetus a human being?..thats the argument. Biblically abortion is not permitted in the bible unless the life of the mother is at risk ,but that's not the topic of this thread. The topic is where do we get our rights?

Give us chapter and verse from your Bible.

Why would I do that? This is not biblical based thread.