Ukraine launches long range missles into russia

[el midgetron]

Experts are well aware, and the Russian side has repeatedly emphasized this, that it is impossible to use such weapons without the direct involvement of military specialists from the countries that produce such weapons.

This is how much these nuts hate Trump. They are willing to gamble with nuclear war to leave him as big a mess as possible.

 

[Thunderbird]

The neocons’ fondest dream is to ensnare & inveigle the U.S. into fighting Syria, Iran, and Russia in a major war. The CCP and Israel and the traitorous American elite would thrill to the mass carnage of their enemies.

 

[Lesh]

As Scott Ritter says in that interview, these developments are of such magnitude and given Trump's clearly promised opposition (diametrically opposed) to financing Ukraine and supporting NATO, it is incumbent on Trump to make a public statement, stressing to the world that his administration will be reversing such decisions and reducing the threat's on Russia, that Trump has no intention of allowing the US get dragged into a - potentially - nuclear war.

I must admit that I'm puzzled by Trump's silence so far, if he disagrees and disapproves of this ATACMS decision then publicly say that and say you'll reverse the decision and cease support for Ukraine and he should also call the Kremlin too.

Scott Ritter?

Please

 

[Ringo]

Why would they hit this plant deep with empty shells? The message is -we can get any critter in any bunker. The basic premise of the U.S. Army is that soldiers will die and senators will drink cold coke at the ranch.
When the soldiers don't get hit by anything and the senator in the bunker gets sprayed to dust, it hurts.

And the cherry on the cake is that you can't shoot down a falling bobblehead from space, it doesn't give a shit. And I suspect that all the bunkers of the US government are known.

 

[Ringo]

In the conflict in Ukraine and in the sphere of international security, it seems that the last page has been opened, after the turning of which will be written either “The End” or “And from then on they lived happily ever after”.
Yesterday, November 21, 2024, the Russian Air Force struck one of the major military-industrial complex facilities in Dnepropetrovsk (located in the territory still controlled by the Kiev regime).
The effect of the strike, unlike the effects of currently known Russian military systems, caused a poorly concealed panic in the collective West.
After giving our enemies a chance to “marinate,” Russian President Vladimir Putin issued a short but informative statement that leaves no room for ambiguity, popularly explaining the background of what happened, as well as options for further developments.

The strike was carried out by Russia's newest medium-range Oreshnik missile, against which the West and especially Ukraine have no defense and will have none in the foreseeable future. The missile was used in a non-nuclear version (for now). According to experts, Oreshnik is a development of the RSD-10 Pioneer system: launch range - up to 5000 kilometers; power - 150 kilotons (200 Hiroshimas); probable deviation from the target - 50 meters (but it will not matter). Speed of the warhead: Mach 10 (two to three kilometers per second). Approach time: Great Britain - 19 minutes, Poland - eight minutes; Belgium - 14 minutes; Germany - 11 minutes. You can't shoot down, you can't run away, you can't escape.

Why was the strike carried out?
The conflict in Ukraine after the Western missile strike on Russia (on November 19 with six ATACMS missiles and on November 20 with Storm Shadow missiles) has acquired a global character: it is impossible to use such long-range weapons on our territory without Western specialists, which means that the countries concerned have consciously become parties to the conflict with all the ensuing consequences. Russia has repeatedly (!) warned Western “partners” of the inadmissibility of such steps, but the West has gone down the path of escalation, which has necessitated a final warning.

Moscow prefers peaceful developments and has consistently advocated de-escalation, including nuclear de-escalation. Russia hopes that its latest warning will be heeded and that common sense and the instinct of self-preservation will prevail in the West. Russia is even now ready to negotiate a peaceful resolution to the conflict. Pick up the phone, press the buttons, say “hello”.

What will happen if Russia's warnings and appeals are not heeded?
It will respond decisively and mirror any escalation of the conflict, i.e. there will be no more “asymmetric” responses, but 1000% symmetric ones. Russia considers itself entitled to use weapons against the military facilities of countries that use their weapons against it. “Military facilities” do not necessarily have to be located on the territory of the countries concerned (for example, military bases, aircraft carriers, airborne radar aircraft, satellite constellations, and so on), but at the same time the range of the same ‘Oreshnik’ system is quite sufficient to hit targets anywhere in Europe. The Russian president said clearly and concretely: “If anyone doubts this, it is in vain. There will always be an answer.”

Is Moscow not afraid that in the event of an attack on NATO military facilities after a possible next provocation by Ukraine with the participation of Western specialists, the alliance will declare war on Russia?
It is not afraid. We are ready for any scenario. If anything, we will go to paradise as martyrs, and they will just die like dogs. They think they have tougher Nuts and can raise the stakes indefinitely, but they are dangerously deluded. The West bases its military doctrine on the theory of “intolerable damage” that must be inflicted on the other side before it will surrender. Our doctrine is simpler: if the existence of our state or its vital interests are at stake, we act as harshly as possible and without looking back (remember Crimea in 2014 and the beginning of the Strategic Defense Forces in 2022, despite the fact that the West, contrary to its own propaganda, was fully convinced that we would not go for it).
How will a Western missile strike deep into Russian territory affect the situation in the SWO (Special military operation) zone?
Nothing. Or rather, nothing in the sense that their organizers would like, and even on the contrary - we will go forward even more decisively. These strikes will not interfere with the achievement of the goals of the SWO.


Interestingly, Russia warned the West 30 minutes in advance about the launch in automatic mode through the Center for Nuclear Threat Reduction, although we have no such obligations - that is, it was a perfectly gentlemanly gesture. According to some Western observers, Kiev has not yet been turned into a desert, and Zelensky is still alive only “because of Putin's unearthly kindness, wisdom and endurance.” Not only that: our president promised to warn Ukrainian civilians in advance, if it is suddenly necessary to make repeated launches.

On the positive side: some media personalities in the West have raised the alarm about the increased likelihood of a nuclear conflict. For example, former UK ruling party leader Jeremy Corbyn said, “The Prime Minister should immediately address Parliament to clarify whether British missiles have been struck. He must say whether this means we are at war with a nuclear power, how great the risk is to the people of Britain and why it happened without parliamentary approval. Everything possible must be done for de-escalation and peace.
Political leaders are risking lives for political gain. In the event of nuclear war, there will be no winners.”

Meanwhile, the following signals are coming from Washington: “The U.S. sees no indication that Moscow is preparing to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine”; “Washington sees no need to change its nuclear doctrine, regardless of new Russian decisions of this kind”; “The U.S. will continue to provide new weapons packages to Ukraine and work to accelerate the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine”; “The U.S. will continue to provide new weapons packages to Ukraine and work to accelerate the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine. (с)

 

[el midgetron]

 

[M14 Shooter]

If the Russians strikes any of the NATO countries, NATO will respond.
Hoe they respond is another story; my bet is if it happens, it will be before Jan 20.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Bear Lost His Bite

Only a nuke would stop this war and force NYETO to abandon its 33-year policy of turning Russia into a weakling pushover.

 

[el midgetron]

 

[Zavulon]

If the Russians strikes any of the NATO countries, NATO will respond.
Hoe they respond is another story; my bet is if it happens, it will be before Jan 20.

As NATO attacked Russia, Russia will respond, including direct attack agaisnt NATO countries. My bet, that after a relatively short period of a phoney war, Russia will attack US nuclear forces by well planned and well coordinated nuclear strike. If the USA ignore this opportunity during the period of the phoney war, it will be something like Pearl Harbour.

 

[GLASNOST]

Ukraine launches long range missles into russia​

Duck & Cover, Zoolinsky. You've sealed your fate.

 

[GLASNOST]

As NATO attacked Russia, Russia will respond,

Correct.

including direct attack agaisnt NATO countries.

Probably.

My bet, that after a relatively short period of a phoney war, Russia will attack US nuclear forces by well planned and well coordinated nuclear strike.

I think so.

If the USA ignore this opportunity during the period of the phoney war, it will be something like Pearl Harbour.

I don't think so unless you are thinking about FDR knowingly putting those Americans in harms way and expecting the attack. In that case, I agree.

 

[Zavulon]

I don't think so unless you are thinking about FDR knowingly putting those Americans in harms way and expecting the attack. In that case, I agree.

Do you know what exactly American military experts though about Japanees threat back in 1941?

"The greatest danger from Japan, a surprise attack on the unguarded Pacific Fleet, lying at anchor in San Pedro Harbor, under peacetime conditions, has already been averted. The Pacific Fleet is at one of the strongest bases in the world - Pearl Harbor - practically on a war footing and under a war regime. There will be no American Port Arthur"

W.D. Puleston, The Armed Forces of the Pacific, New Haven, Yale University Press, 1941, pp 116-117.

Doesn't it sound pretty familiar and even similar to mantras of the modern American "experts"?

 

[GLASNOST]

Do you know what exactly American military experts though about Japanees threat back in 1941?

"The greatest danger from Japan, a surprise attack on the unguarded Pacific Fleet, lying at anchor in San Pedro Harbor, under peacetime conditions, has already been averted. The Pacific Fleet is at one of the strongest bases in the world - Pearl Harbor - practically on a war footing and under a war regime. There will be no American Port Arthur"

W.D. Puleston, The Armed Forces of the Pacific, New Haven, Yale University Press, 1941, pp 116-117.

Doesn't it sound pretty familiar and even similar to mantras of the modern American "experts"?

There's a difference between military experts and politicians. They don't have the same goals.

 

[georgephillip]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/19/europe/ukraine-russia-atacms-biden-strike-intl/index.html

6 misses launched. After putins warnings, where does this lead?

Why is biden escalating this close to a new administration?

A land for peace swap seems like one likely explanation for Biden's last gasp Ukraine decision:

https://thehill.com/opinion/nationa...a-message-to-american-allies-and-adversaries/

"Trump may well pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to negotiate an agreement with Putin that costs Kyiv the loss of both Crimea and its four eastern oblasts.

"It is therefore incumbent on the Biden administration to strengthen Kyiv’s hand as much as possible prior to the start of any negotiations with Russia.

"That involves lifting all operational restrictions on European military support for Ukraine with weapons systems that include American parts.

"It also means both accelerating American military assistance to Ukraine funded, if necessary, by yet another emergency supplemental that must pass before the new administration takes office."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

As NATO attacked Russia, Russia will respond, including direct attack agaisnt NATO countries. My bet, that after a relatively short period of a phoney war, Russia will attack US nuclear forces by well planned and well coordinated nuclear strike. If the USA ignore this opportunity during the period of the phoney war, it will be something like Pearl Harbour.

If MacArthur Hadn't Been Disarmed, China Would Have Retreated, Not Escalated

Our Deep State armchair warriors have already ignored Putin's bluff. Only a nuke on this Ewe-cronyan installation would have shocked the Chickenhawks out of their Cold War nostalgia.

 

[Kruska]

Tactical Nukes Will Close Down This Puppet Show

There is a precedent. It's ignorant history to ignore rejected policies. Putin will do what MacArthur wasn't allowed to do to the Chinese invading Korea.

The Chinese invaded - supported the N-Korea regime, only upon the USA attacking/bombing Chinese sovereign territory and trying to take control of N-Korea via invading N-Korea.
Neither the US nor the EU or NATO invaded or attacked the Ukraine. - as such your comparison is totally meaningless.

Get historical facts right! - especially important for someone who automatically distributes dislikes onto others posts.

Ukraine - "only" war mongered amongst Ukrainians - promoting a nationalistic Ukrainian policy against anyone conceived to be a non-Ukrainian e.g a Russian speaking Ukrainian adhering towards the Russian culture. (as such it was an INTERNAL Ukraine problem/issue).

The UN didn't do it's job - usually the UN always being unable to do so due to the veto obstruction by the USA and Russia. see the present Israel - Palestinian/Middle-east) escalation. Neither did the US nor the EU take actions against nationalistic Ukrainian policy.

Therefore Putin simply took advantage of a nationalistic Ukrainian policy, that inadvertently collided with a nationalistic Russian policy, encouraged and promoted upon Putin coming into power.

 

[Kruska]

As NATO attacked Russia, Russia will respond, including direct attack agaisnt NATO countries. My bet, that after a relatively short period of a phoney war, Russia will attack US nuclear forces by well planned and well coordinated nuclear strike. If the USA ignore this opportunity during the period of the phoney war, it will be something like Pearl Harbour.

NATO hasn't attacked Russia militarily in any way - they simply support Ukraine and as such supply economic aid, keep training the Ukraine Armed Forces and deliver weapon systems to Ukraine - all of which is in absolute compliance with international law and has been done since 1991, adhering to the NATO (USA) and EU East-ward expansion policy.

It was Putin who attacked sovereign Ukraine aka Crimea in 2014 and again in Feb. 2022.

 

[Kruska]

Globalist Gobbledygook

Russia has a right to its own Monroe Doctrine.

Yes, and so does China and any other nation, incl. Ukraine

One-World NYETO has been trying to encircle and strangle Russia since 1991. NWO and PNACko Bush believed that the Gorbachev and Beyond era was just dedicated Communists trying to fake us out, so we'd let our guard down.

Nonsense - nothing to do with "One-world NYETO" gobbledygook - but simply in absolute compliance with the US Global hegemonic policy - which to a large extend, has always been supported by spineless and US $$ subsidized European politicians.

And nonsense talker Trump will not endanger US Global hegemony - nor will he be allowed to do so, neither by Democrats nor Republican policy makers.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Democrats will bend over backwards to appease first word sensitivities but are coldly uninterested in the massive deaths that come from the wars they incite