beautress
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Let's hope not. I am hoping that President Putin will change his tune in favor of the many people who love their country, the Ukraine. His respect t would skyrocket should peace without war become his aim.
Ukraine launches long range missles into russia
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Sherlock Holmes
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It's conceivable that Russia would attack a European puppet NATO state to indicate that lines are being crossed. Trump has already said he would not let the US get dragged into a response, that Russian can do as it wants and not fear a US response.
This is something that could unfold after Trump's inauguration to both drive home to Europe what's at stake and to show the US that Russia is serious and so best keep out of this as Trump already said he would.
Once European states realize that the US is not going to honor the NATO treaty, then they will have to acknowledge that Ukraine is lost and simply stop the antagonism, stop arming Ukraine and just abandon the project which was ridiculous to begin with and hast cost the EU about 65 billion dollars already, a total waste of money.
This is something that could unfold after Trump's inauguration to both drive home to Europe what's at stake and to show the US that Russia is serious and so best keep out of this as Trump already said he would.
Once European states realize that the US is not going to honor the NATO treaty, then they will have to acknowledge that Ukraine is lost and simply stop the antagonism, stop arming Ukraine and just abandon the project which was ridiculous to begin with and hast cost the EU about 65 billion dollars already, a total waste of money.
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It's NATO that needs to change its tune, not Russia which has watched as NATO increasingly surround Russia's border with armed forces, this was all understood after the Berlin wall came down, Russia was led to believe that NATO would not expand East but it has.
How any sane person can look at this image and conclude Russia a problem is hard to explain, it can only be decades of propaganda and unquestioning willingness to believe anything Uncle Sam says.
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Hope is not enough. If the West wants to defeat Russia and ready to start an actual, hot war - Russia will attack first.
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Can you believe the nerve of those assholes putting their country next to all of our bases?
I tell ya. Some people...
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Darned commies...Can you believe the nerve of those assholes putting their country next to all of our bases?
I tell ya. Some people...
Overtones of RFK at around 1:41
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Why? He wants to leave Trump a nuclear war.
beautress
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Hope and prayers rule the goodness of peace on earth, Zev. I'm headed for my prayer closet. Don't forget, the great state of Russia is historically Christian Orthodox and they can be reasoned with. But like us, they have a few warmongers. I pray for Russia's deep respect for peace when the chips are down. All men are brothers. May our leaders go for brotherhood with a peaceful Russian thumbs up for peace. Prayer closet, here I come. Love, beautress
Love is good. But without neutrality, denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine there will be no peace.
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The European NATO incl. Canada outspends Russia on it's military budget by 8:1, continuously since 1990/91 - totally independent of how much the USA is spending to maintain it's own global hegemony and whining about those 2% from Europe.
The term Military technology, not to mention advanced military technology - doesn't apply to Russia in any way - they simply got nothing to show for - aside from outdated but partially still workable nukes. Only due to the latter - others are still willing/forced to talk to Russia.
Putin will not launch or kick off nuclear strikes onto NATO members - unless NATO troops engage directly in Russia's sovereign territory.
Therefore the demands from previous US administrations (brought in by Bush) and Trump's BS about the US paying for Europe's defense are plain BS, and are only brought into play so as to allow the USA to partially withdraw it's military capacity and spending commitments from the European theater (necessary to maintain US Global Hegemony in Europe) to counter China's military buildup. Due to China's rise, the USA simply don't have the $$ to upkeep up their global hegemonic policy. - Which isn't solely represented via military but to a huge extend by economic aid.
Thus ending up with today's constellation of asking European military assets, e.g. naval units to participate in South-China Sea missions, or eg. Huthi related missions, or the former Afghanistan disaster mission.
The ONLY thing that worries (rightfully) European countries is the reduction or even the exclusion of the US nuclear umbrella in regards to Europe, and thus keeping Russia's nuclear extortion towards Europe at bay.
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No logical relationship at all.
Russia attacked Ukraine for no internationally acceptable reason.
If Russia uses a tac nuke, Leningrad will disappear.
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LMAO, so Ritter is the new spokesman of the left?
Bad news- Trump doesn't take marching orders from Ritter or you.
All the pearl-clutching aside, Trump would be stupid to do what you suggest. First of all, about 15 seconds after any announcement, you lefties would all be screeching "See? We told you Trump was Putin's puppet!"
Second, Trump is not on the campaign trail anymore, and has no need to distinguish himself from Biden. Nor does he need to pacify his supporters, he can operate without worrying about being re-elected.
Third, he has no reason to limit his options, 2 months before even taking office. This is a freebee for Trump. He has a bargaining chip that he didn't have before, and it cost him nothing.
Trump doesn't have to do anything. He can focus on his transition, and deal with Ukraine later.
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Neither Russia nor Ukraine are nato countries so we have no obligation to interfere in that war, at least not to bring extent of supplying one side of the war. Diplomacy is the only thing we should be doing. People don't understand that, we are fighting a proxy war with Russia, and we are using Ukraine to do it.
We are supplying weapons and technology to help a country win a war against another country. Yes, I know Russia invaded Ukraine, and we need to help them by putting pressure on Russia to get out. But when Russia tells you that providing these types of weapons is crossing a red line and is an act of war, you didn't turn around and do the very thing they warned you against.
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To assault that region.
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10-4. Well wait and see what happens
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Maybe not nuclear, but certainly helping to create a mess for the incoming president
‘Missiles Will Speak For Themselves,’ Zelensky Said. Hours Later, U.S.-Made Rockets With 8,000 Submunitions Streaked Toward Russia.
The Army Tactical Missile System rockets targeted an arsenal in Bryansk Oblast.
www.forbes.com
yidnar
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if Russia supplied Cuba with missiles and gave them the go ahead to Strike inside the US the US would view it as an act of war committed by both nations .. though I am no fan of Russia because they are the aggressor and had no right invading a sovereign country Bidens actions are very risky .. remember everyone ! Russia has 6 thousand nukes ! that's more than the rest of the world combined ! we need a leader in the US that can get both sides in the war together and work out an agreement to end it before it gets past the point of no return for the entire world .
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no .. he was the 1st POTUS to send them Javelins to counter Russian tanks if they invaded again after the Russians took Crimea in 2014 .. Obama sent blankets and MREs..
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