Ukraine launches long range missles into russia

[M14 Shooter]

The idea of China fighting against Russia is too wacky to address.

The idea of China fighting against the US is completely insane.

The moment after China engages the US, the US cancels its debt and closes its markets.
5-10 days later, the US blockades its major ports.
How does China benefit from this?

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

The idea of China fighting against the US is completely insane.

The moment after China engages the US, the US cancels its debt and closes its markets.
5-10 days later, the US blockades its major ports.
How does China benefit from this?

There are things much larger than money.

How much do you think Taiwan is worth to China?

 

[M14 Shooter]

There are things much larger than money.

Right. Because China is willing to risk economic collapse and the civil war which follows.

You argue from ignorance.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Right. Because China is willing to risk economic collapse and the civil war which follows.

You argue from ignorance.

They may want to risk it with their huge loyal armies, or they may not.

But you haven't given the slightest reason why China would want to attack Russia.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They may want to risk it with their huge loyal armies, or they may not.

3 million men. 1,411 million Chinese.
What do those 1.411 million Chinese do when the power goes out and the water and food stops?

But you haven't given the slightest reason why China would want to attack Russia.

I haven't said they would - you're the only one talking about China going to war.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

I haven't said they would - you're the only one talking about China going to war.

Yes you did. You asked what side would China take if the U.S. goes to war with Russia.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

3 million men. 1,411 million Chinese.
What do those 1.411 million Chinese do when the power goes out and the water and food stops?

When countries are at war, these things are expected. Most Chinese would support their war come hell or high water.

 

[M14 Shooter]

When countries are at war, these things are expected. Most Chinese would support their war come hell or high water.

You argue from ignorance. Enjoy.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes you did. You asked what side would China take if the U.S. goes to war with Russia.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

You argue from ignorance. Enjoy.

Ignorance is yours for ignoring the huge threats involved with massive U.S. help to Ukraine which is going to fall eventually anyhow.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Yes, a U.S. war with Russia would be real funny.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

For you to be correct, the Russians have to be insane, and want an actual, real, hot war with the US - they have no rational motive for this as they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

Because war is always so rational.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Chamberlain appeasement policy was caused not only by fear of the great German Army, but because their fear of the strong continental alliance - France-Czechoslovakia-Soviet Union.


Really? And if Germany and the USSR together attacked Poland, why the UK and France declared war only onto Germany, and not only onto the USSR? And the answer is simple. No one (including Poland) in 1939, seen Soviet liberation of the West Ukraine and West Belarus - lands eastward of Kerzon line, temporarily occupied by Poland, as an act of war - first of all, because Poland de facto didn't exist at the start of the Russian operation, and second - because it was Poland, who cancelled Soviet-Polish non-aggression pact by attacking (allied with Germany and Hungary) Czechoslovakia.



And they didn't do it, because of what?


It would mean only start of WWIII ten years earlier - in 2014, instead of 2024.


Putin is not bluffing. And regional war is, by definition, nuclear war. And your tactical nukes have nothing to show.


They are already directly involved in the combating Russian forces within Russian pre-war territory.


And in this combat Russia would use, for starters, tactical nukes. And as NATO forces, in fact, don't have tactical nukes worth mentioning (B61 can't be seriously counted) those NATO forces would be definitely defeated.

Cowardice Is the Crime That Enables All Others

The Czechs bounced. Why do we feel sorry for countries that let themselves be doormats? The Czechs and Slovaks had plenty of time, money, and home-field advantage to create an army that would tie the invading Nazi troops down. Same with all the other European gutless pushovers.

The RichKid Reich benefits if our reaction is pity rather than contempt. That is their only safety.

 

[Hum Dinger]

There are things much larger than money.

How much do you think Taiwan is worth to China?

With or without the Taiwanese Semi-conductor Manufacturing facility?

That's what China's late obsession with Taiwan is really about.

Thank God for the CHIPS act. If China invades Taiwan, the U.S. will bomb TSCM - then China will have no IC Chips!

TSMC - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Hum Dinger]

Ignorance is yours for ignoring the huge threats involved with massive U.S. help to Ukraine which is going to fall eventually anyhow.

NATO rejected Ukraine long before 2014 - for many of the same reasons that Russia invaded.

By the time this is over both Ukraine AND Russia will be destroyed - and the world will be a happier place!

 

[Hum Dinger]

Yes you did. You asked what side would China take if the U.S. goes to war with Russia.

China gets no benefit from going to war with the U.S. - it would be a disaster for China even if they won.

China will wait until Russia is nearly destroyed, then attack Russia and take back Outer Manchuria & Western Mongolia (at least).

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Because democrats are anti American pieces of shit . The sooner they are destroyed the sooner America starts healing .

The Democrats Are Dead, Long Live Democracy!

And the Republicans should split into two parties: the Populists and the Paleoconservatives.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

China will wait until Russia is nearly destroyed, then attack Russia and take back Outer Manchuria & Western Mongolia (at least).

China is a very large country in area. They don't need more land or people.

 

[Ringo]

US President Joe Biden has described as “outrageous” the Russian army strikes on targets in Ukraine, which followed the firing of Western long-range missiles on Russian territory. The statement of the American leader is quoted by RIA Novosti.

Earlier, the Russian Defense Ministry reported a series of strikes on military facilities in Ukraine. They were a response to the use of the AFU long-range Western weapons on targets in Russia.

Thus, 100 missiles and 466 Geran-2 drones were fired at targets in Ukraine over several days. As a result, 17 key facilities of the country's military industry were hit, according to the Defense Ministry.

“This attack is outrageous,” Biden stated.
He said the Russian Armed Forces strikes on AFU facilities serve as another reminder of the “urgency and importance” of supporting Ukraine.

Earlier, the media reported that Biden secretly requested from the U.S. Congress an additional $24 billion for military aid to Ukraine, as well as to replenish the Pentagon's reserves.

Commenting on these findings, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov compared the outgoing US administration's plans to a “thieving instinct.” “To take all the thieves' money for themselves so that no one gets it except Ukraine,” the diplomat said.
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What is interesting is that even in Russia's large-scale attack on Ukraine's infrastructure, only six people were injured, as the ukrainians and americans themselves recognize

Such is the inhumanity of russian aggression - as many as six wounded as a result of the strikes across the country! Not like the humane and kind bombings of the Israeli military, for example,,.

 

[Kruska]

Maybe not, but why take such a huge risk for so little gain?

It is the EU that want's to expand it's economic sphere and power - and the EU doesn't go into any country that isn't controlled - militarily and administratively by NATO and as such administered by Western Standards. The USA itself want's and supports NATO expansion - pursuing the same objectives as the EU.
Aside from Putin wanting to restore Russia to it's former geographical "greatness" - it is understood that an Ukraine being in the fold of the EU and NATO is an existential threat to Russia - militarily and economically.
IMO, the only way for Ukraine to keep it's country at peace is only via absolute neutrality - however backed by solid assurances of assistance via NATO, in case of Russian military aggression.

China doesn't want to be left as the only communists on the planet, which is why they would defend Russia.

China doesn't "defend" Russia at all - they simply share their common interest, which is rejecting the USA's global hegemonic policy.

BTW - China is an absolute authoritarian led, full fledged capitalistic country - just as present Russia, that can't even show for 30% of the USA's social commitment and welfare system. China has abandoned communism since 1988, but kept the name CPC in it's party - due to Mao still having a large positive effect and remembrance onto China's population which is: a democratic system for China would never work,
China can only thrive and prosper under a one-party system.