Ukraine Is Already Paying Us Back

[toomuchtime_]

Well....you aren't exactly on the wrong page there.

Russia desperately needs to sell nat gas and petroleum to fund its government. Nordstream 1 was about 40% of Moscow's budget. Nordstream 2 would have doubled its revenues.
(There's a reason why the US destroyed 2)

The USA has been making lots of profits over selling nat gas to Europe by ship....especially without another pipeline going across Ukraine from Russia. (The existing pipeline was destroyed in the early days of the war)

Large improvements have recently been made in the gulf coast area in Texas/Louisiana border area to assist in loading ships with liquefied nat gas without any interference from Biden's administration....except to raise fees for their land leases and use. (Duh)

In addition....the vice minister of defense is an oligarch recently dismissed from his post for corruption as well as the CEO of Burisma....the oil company that once employed Hunter Biden.

Actually, the US hasn't made much money selling Lng to Europe despite US offers to largely because most European countries didn't have the facilities to accept and process it. Long before the explosions, which damaged both pipelines, most European countries had already made the decision to wean themselves from Russian gas and oil because of Putin's threats to freeze them etc.

As we saw, Russia was able to very quickly repair Nord stream 2 and the US must have been aware it could, so what would have been the advantage to the US of blowing it up? It makes more sense to ask if Russia gained anything from the damage to the pipelines. Certainly, it provided Russian propogandists with lots of new material, and the explosions conveyed an implied threat that Russia could end all gas deliveries to Europe with winter coming, but most important, Russia could try to use it to drive a wedge between the US and EU.

So was the US or Russia behind the explosions?

 

[sparky]

If our power
system was ever lost for an extended period, according to Dr. William
Graham the chairman of the EMP Commission, it would have catastrophic
and lethal consequences for our citizens and the economy

I'm just a lowly electrician in our society Lord brown one , but i gotta tell yas, i really don't need another excuse for my ears to be ringing....~S~

 

[JohnDB]

Actually, the US hasn't made much money selling Lng to Europe despite US offers to largely because most European countries didn't have the facilities to accept and process it. Long before the explosions, which damaged both pipelines, most European countries had already made the decision to wean themselves from Russian gas and oil because of Putin's threats to freeze them etc.

As we saw, Russia was able to very quickly repair Nord stream 2 and the US must have been aware it could, so what would have been the advantage to the US of blowing it up? It makes more sense to ask if Russia gained anything from the damage to the pipelines. Certainly, it provided Russian propogandists with lots of new material, and the explosions conveyed an implied threat that Russia could end all gas deliveries to Europe with winter coming, but most important, Russia could try to use it to drive a wedge between the US and EU.

So was the US or Russia behind the explosions?

US....dumbasses stated quite clearly they would publicly numerous times.....

Usually that sort of thing is labeled as state sponsored terrorism....or direct attacks on Russia.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I'm just a lowly electrician in our society Lord brown one , but i gotta tell yas, i really don't need another excuse for my ears to be ringing....~S~

Who you kidding, sparky. You're at the top of your field!

 

[toomuchtime_]

I wish that were the case but unfortunately its not.

- THE EMP THREAT: EXAMINING THE CONSEQUENCES

:
An EMP attack would destroy the electronics and digital circuitry
in the area of impact, denying electric power to our homes, businesses,
and military. Our country is dependent on electricity to power our
health, financial, transportation, and business systems. If our power
system was ever lost for an extended period, according to Dr. William
Graham the chairman of the EMP Commission, it would have catastrophic
and lethal consequences for our citizens and the economy. It would also
degrade our military defenses. America's digital dependence grows every
year and along with that dependence, our EMP vulnerability.
Computer simulations carried out in March 2010 by Oak Ridge
National Laboratories demonstrated that an electromagnetic pulse from a
nuclear device detonated at high attitude or a powerful solar storm
could destroy or permanently damage major sections of our National
power grid. According to this Oak Ridge Study, the collapse of our
power system could impact 130 million Americans, require 4 to 10 years
to fully recover and impose economic costs of $1 to $2 trillion.

Read your post:

"An EMP attack would destroy the electronics and digital circuitry
in the area of impact".

In the area of impact, not for hundreds or thousands of miles as you have claimed. Short of a large-scale nuclear attack, it would only produce a local event. The size of nuclear warheads is limited by the capabilities of the delivery system. Most US warheads are no larger than 1.7 megatons with a kill radius of only a few miles. In the course of a nuclear war, in addition to the damage from the explosion and radiation, there could be a substantial emp effect but of course the nation that launched the attack would be suffering the same effects from out retaliation.

Since the 1950's, teams of dedicated scientists, engineers, military and intelligence officials have spent their whole careers examining every possible use of nuclear weapons and finding ways of countering them, so it is foolish to think you will come up with a scenario they have not already considered and dealt with.

 

[toomuchtime_]

US....dumbasses stated quite clearly they would publicly numerous times.....

Usually that sort of thing is labeled as state sponsored terrorism....or direct attacks on Russia.

But again, what would the US gain from such an action since it could be quickly repaired? On the other hand, Russia had quite a bit to gain from blowing up the pipelines, so given the facts we have, it is far more likely Russia blew up the pipelines for propaganda purposes.

 

[JohnDB]

But again, what would the US gain from such an action since it could be quickly repaired? On the other hand, Russia had quite a bit to gain from blowing up the pipelines, so given the facts we have, it is far more likely Russia blew up the pipelines for propaganda purposes.

Not likely,
when reputable journalists have put out evidence demonstrating that it was the Navy and Norway giving an assist in doing it.

The loss of using Nordstream 2 is financially a loss for Russia....who because of sanctions and the costs of war in Ukraine is in trouble. We kinda benefit from Russia losing a source of income.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Read your post:

"An EMP attack would destroy the electronics and digital circuitry
in the area of impact".

In the area of impact, not for hundreds or thousands of miles as you have claimed. Short of a large-scale nuclear attack, it would only produce a local event. The size of nuclear warheads is limited by the capabilities of the delivery system. Most US warheads are no larger than 1.7 megatons with a kill radius of only a few miles. In the course of a nuclear war, in addition to the damage from the explosion and radiation, there could be a substantial emp effect but of course the nation that launched the attack would be suffering the same effects from out retaliation.

Since the 1950's, teams of dedicated scientists, engineers, military and intelligence officials have spent their whole careers examining every possible use of nuclear weapons and finding ways of countering them, so it is foolish to think you will come up with a scenario they have not already considered and dealt with.

I believe this is more than a few miles. Most people would have laughed in 2000 if you told them a group of camel riders with box cutters would be able to use a commercial airliner as a missile and take out the twin towers. Tom Clancy actually wrote about using a commercial airliner as a missile in one of his 1990s novels.

"Computer simulations carried out in March 2010 by Oak Ridge
National Laboratories demonstrated that an electromagnetic pulse from a
nuclear device detonated at high attitude or a powerful solar storm
could destroy or permanently damage major sections of our National
power grid. According to this Oak Ridge Study, the collapse of our
power system could impact 130 million Americans, require 4 to 10 years
to fully recover and impose economic costs of $1 to $2 trillion."

 

[JohnDB]

But again, what would the US gain from such an action since it could be quickly repaired? On the other hand, Russia had quite a bit to gain from blowing up the pipelines, so given the facts we have, it is far more likely Russia blew up the pipelines for propaganda purposes.

Pipelines like this one are somewhat easily repairable....EPA kinda pushed the issue and the technology that got developed isn't exactly a huge secret.

A few feet of pipelines isn't that difficult to replace....

Biden himself said it "wasn't gonna happen " when discussing nordstream 2 and its completion if Russia invaded Ukraine.

But Russia has been purchasing munitions from Afghanistan, N Korea, Iran, and Africa....to do so they need cash.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Not likely,
when reputable journalists have put out evidence demonstrating that it was the Navy and Norway giving an assist in doing it.

The loss of using Nordstream 2 is financially a loss for Russia....who because of sanctions and the costs of war in Ukraine is in trouble. We kinda benefit from Russia losing a source of income.

Hersh did not provide any evidence. He claims to be repeating information given to him by an anonymous source. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he believes this source; other than the Russians and their supporters no one is paying much attention to Hersh's claims which were not even accepted for publication and only appeared on his blog.

The question remains, what would the US gain from this? The answer is, nothing. Since the US clearly had nothing to gain from this, it makes no sense to think it did it. On the other hand, Russia had quite a bit to gain and nothing to lose. So why are you so resistant to the idea that Russia blew up the pipelines for propaganda purposes?

 

[JohnDB]

Hersh did not provide any evidence. He claims to be repeating information given to him by an anonymous source. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he believes this source; other than the Russians and their supporters no one is paying much attention to Hersh's claims which were not even accepted for publication and only appeared on his blog.

The question remains, what would the US gain from this? The answer is, nothing. Since the US clearly had nothing to gain from this, it makes no sense to think it did it. On the other hand, Russia had quite a bit to gain and nothing to lose. So why are you so resistant to the idea that Russia blew up the pipelines for propaganda purposes?

Because Russia already has miles of excuses easily created to attack the USA.

But it really doesn't want to. It would be too expensive....cheaper to shut up about it and repair the pipeline.

But we destroyed a few hundred feet to cost Russia much needed cash to buy munitions with....that's the USA benefit. Those companies that Zelenski is talking about....Blackrock, JP Morgan, and etc.....those are American companies that want Russia out so they can exploit Ukraine....and Ukrainians will prosper under these corporations....not as much as the shareholders of these companies will....but moreso than what Russia will do to them.

It's plutocrats fighting this war....Biden is a puppet just like Putin is. And both want the win to have even more profits.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I believe this is more than a few miles. Most people would have laughed in 2000 if you told them a group of camel riders with box cutters would be able to use a commercial airliner as a missile and take out the twin towers. Tom Clancy actually wrote about using a commercial airliner as a missile in one of his 1990s novels.

"Computer simulations carried out in March 2010 by Oak Ridge
National Laboratories demonstrated that an electromagnetic pulse from a
nuclear device detonated at high attitude or a powerful solar storm
could destroy or permanently damage major sections of our National
power grid. According to this Oak Ridge Study, the collapse of our
power system could impact 130 million Americans, require 4 to 10 years
to fully recover and impose economic costs of $1 to $2 trillion."

Again, it could have terrible consequences but only in the area of impact. If that area contained important parts of the electric grid it effect might be felt in a larger area, but it would still be a local event and there are redundancies that would quickly come into play to compensate for any losses, and in terms of a potential conflict with Russia, it would not impede our ability to respond.

 

[toobfreak]

Ukraine Is Already Paying Us Back​

There is no 'US' in you--- you're not even an American citizen--- who do you think you are kidding, Komrad? And Ukraine will never pay us back, they can't give us what they don't have, most of all, democracy. That article is nothing more than just more pro-Ukrainian propaganda written to gaslight Americans into stupidly parting with more money.

Not another DIME.

 

[toobfreak]

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Pretty good likeness of Zelensky! Or is that Zorro?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Because Russia already has miles of excuses easily created to attack the USA.

But it really doesn't want to. It would be too expensive....cheaper to shut up about it and repair the pipeline.

But we destroyed a few hundred feet to cost Russia much needed cash to buy munitions with....that's the USA benefit. Those companies that Zelenski is talking about....Blackrock, JP Morgan, and etc.....those are American companies that want Russia out so they can exploit Ukraine....and Ukrainians will prosper under these corporations....not as much as the shareholders of these companies will....but moreso than what Russia will do to them.

It's plutocrats fighting this war....Biden is a puppet just like Putin is. And both want the win to have even more profits.

You left out the most important thing Russia would gain from blowing up the pipelines, the opportunity to try to drive a wedge between the US and EU, which is a critically important foreign policy goal for Russia. On the other hand, there is absolutely no evidence that the US government or any of the corporations you named would gain any benefit from blowing up the pipeline. Even Hersh acknowledges that the US had nothing to gain from blowing up the pipelines.

So on the one hand blowing up the pipeline gave Russia the opportunity to try to accomplish a critically important foreign policy goal, to drive a wedge between the US and EU; and on the other hand, neither the US nor any of the corporations you named would have gained any benefit from blowing up the pipelines, yet you are passionate about blaming Biden for it. It's a puzzlement.

 

[JohnDB]

You left out the most important thing Russia would gain from blowing up the pipelines, the opportunity to try to drive a wedge between the US and EU, which is a critically important foreign policy goal for Russia. On the other hand, there is absolutely no evidence that the US government or any of the corporations you named would gain any benefit from blowing up the pipeline. Even Hersh acknowledges that the US had nothing to gain from blowing up the pipelines.

So on the one hand blowing up the pipeline gave Russia the opportunity to try to accomplish a critically important foreign policy goal, to drive a wedge between the US and EU; and on the other hand, neither the US nor any of the corporations you named would have gained any benefit from blowing up the pipelines, yet you are passionate about blaming Biden for it. It's a puzzlement.

It's always possible....but we have a lot of evidence to the contrary....including the horses mouth.

 

[Litwin]

Pretty good likeness

 

[sparky]

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~S~

 

[toobfreak]

It's ZORRO! The Snout with a Clout!

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Keep dropping those chemical weapons on russian troops, dmitri and your country is about to go bye bye.