Couchpotato
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Yeah I mean the war was going so well for Ukraine prior to Trump being elected. Ukraine had almost pushed Russia out of it's territory.
Ukraine faces losing dignity or US support with Trump’s plan to end war, Zelensky says
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All to cover up the money-laundering operation he and the Biden crime family have been running for years.
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Ukraine is no ally. We should have stayed out from the very beginning, all the back from 2004. Not our problem. Not another dime.
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Let the Russian Empire rebuild itself.
After 50 years of Cold War, the Trump right wing want to reverse the outcome and hand victory to Moscow.
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Who cares. I am not one of those to go on a moral crusade and sink all of our money into other peoples wars.
No, Putin invaded Ukraine after many years of Civil War with Ukraine between Kiev and the ethnic Russians in the east. After the elected Ukrainian President was overthrown by a violent insurrection, supported by the United States, the civil war broke out and ethnic Russians were being killed.
History has shown that Russia will always come to the aid of Slavs being killed by others. And here we had Russian speaking Slavs being killed. Why was Kiev killing and persecuting these Russian speaking “Ukrainians”? Because of course they rejected the illegitimate government in Kiev installed by the United States.
So the US warmongering policy is to blame for the whole situation. The US sent over warmongers like John McCain, Victoria Nuland, Lindsay Graham, John Kerry, and Amy Klobuchar to dictate to the Ukrainians who was allowed to “run” for President.
Russia saw this as interference in a country the US long ago promised to be neutral with, and had promised to never expand NATO into. Of course warmongers like Obama and Biden could care less about such promises made decades before, so they supported the coup.
All you have to do is look at a map of Eastern Europe of 1900, or even as far back as 1800, to see all that land has historically been Russia. The Russians were the ones that defeated the evil Ottoman Empire and drove them out of Crimea.
But hey, it’s probably easier if you just ignore all those facts and the actual history of Ukraine, like the fact that its borders were drawn up by Russian Bolsheviks during the USSR in order to shoehorn in a bunch of ethnic Russians into the satellite Ukrainian State.
So just keep ignoring the facts and call Putin a Nazi or something, even though the Ukrainians were actual supporters of Nazism and their national hero is a Nazi named Stepan Bandera.
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Parochial isolationism is a policy doomed to failure.
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I am not in approval of sending our money and taxpayer funded military equipment to fight someone else's war when we can't even prevent people from coming into our own country.
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A whole catalog of lies, misleading assertion, errors of obviously deliberate omission.
A near perfect recital of Russian taking points.
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Got news for you. Putin was already getting everything he wanted before Trump became president.
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“No, Putin invaded Ukraine after many years of Civil War with Ukraine between Kiev and the ethnic Russians in the east. After the elected Ukrainian President was overthrown by a violent insurrection, supported by the United States, the civil war broke out and ethnic Russians were being killed. “
Of course, you deliberately failed to mention that the man who was overthrown was a Putin stooge. He broke his principal campaign promise by not trying to join the EU, as Ukrainians wanted, not to mention the flagrant open corruption.
There was, and is, no civil war. Russian operatives either sponsored pro Russian groups or did the job themselves (they shot down an airliner, yes, that was Russians pretending to be Ukranian separatists. Of course, nothing lends the lie to “Ukranian separatists” then the obvious fact that no one welcomed the Russian invaders.
“History has shown that Russia will always come to the aid of Slavs being killed by others. And here we had Russian speaking Slavs being killed. Why was Kiev killing and persecuting these Russian speaking “Ukrainians”? Because of course they rejected the illegitimate government in Kiev installed by the United States. “
No one in history ever welcomed Russian “aid”!
As to their “rejecting the illegitimate” government: Moscow’s response was to set up a fake one. One that was recognized by only one nation: Russia.
“So the US warmongering policy is to blame for the whole situation. The US sent over warmongers like John McCain, Victoria Nuland, Lindsay Graham, John Kerry, and Amy Klobuchar to dictate to the Ukrainians who was allowed to “run” for President. “
The very notion that these people picked Voldomar Zelinsky is totally laughable.
“Russia saw this as interference in a country the US long ago promised to be neutral with, and had promised to never expand NATO into. Of course warmongers like Obama and Biden could care less about such promises made decades before, so they supported the coup. “
That is the Russian line. But, despite all the phony baloney about separatists, the Russians have been the consistant aggressors.
Russia invaded Ukraine,not the other way around.
“All you have to do is look at a map of Eastern Europe of 1900, or even as far back as 1800, to see all that land has historically been Russia. The Russians were the ones that defeated the evil Ottoman Empire and drove them out of Crimea. “
Actually,in the Crimean War, it was the British and the French who drove the Russians out of Crimea.
Ukraine has been part of the Russian Empire since Ivan. Not willingly. Ukraine tried to break away in 1917. Stalin’s purge of Kulaks was almost entirely focused on Ukraine. Ukranian partisans rose up against the Red Army as soon as the Nazis retreated, and were still at it long after Hitler was dead.
“But hey, it’s probably easier if you just ignore all those facts and the actual history of Ukraine, like the fact that its borders were drawn up by Russian Bolsheviks during the USSR in order to shoehorn in a bunch of ethnic Russians into the satellite Ukrainian State. “
Your facts are selective and your omissions many.
“So just keep ignoring the facts and call Putin a Nazi or something, even though the Ukrainians were actual supporters of Nazism and their national hero is a Nazi named Stepan Bandera.”
No, I will just continue to do the duty of everyone who believes in freedom and self determination, and oppose the Russian invasion.
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He was elected in Ukraine. Just because he wasn’t wanting to wage war against Putin doesn’t make him a “Putin stooge”. He was smart enough to understand it wouldn’t be wise to provoke and start a war with Russia by getting in bed with the EU and America.
But this is always the excuse, “Putin stooge!”, as if that justifies the United States in overthrowing an elected President. How about just let the Ukrainians vote him out? Suddenly democracy isn’t important, when they don’t vote how you like.
Now you’re just denying reality. Yes there was a civil war. Eastern Ukraine, which historically used to be Russia, was full of ethnic Russians. They did not support the coup that overthrew the sitting President.
Crimea itself is 98% Russian, since it was actually leased to Russia from Ukraine. It’s literally the headquarters of the Russian Black Sea fleet, and has been since the 1770’s.
The Serbs certainly did.
Apparently France and the UK did as well, since they allied with Russia in WWI.
Russian entry into World War I - Wikipedia
Did I say Zelensky?
Nope. It was Poroshenko, who of course was a corrupt piece of shit. Which is exactly why Obama and Biden wanted him installed. That way they could launder money through Ukraine. Just ask Hunter, who coincidentally “worked” for Burisma from 2014 to 2019, collected fat checks for doing nothing while the U.S. gave billions in aid to Ukraine.
No that is what every historian says about the history of NATO and the initial promises made about its expansion.
How many nations has Russia been aggressors against since the 1990’s? More than the U.S.? I think not. Sure they’ve had a few incursions, like Georgia. Remember when McCain wanted us to go to war against Russia because he claimed Georgia would be wiped off the map? How’d that turn out? Did Russia conquer Georgia? Nope. They settled their dispute and Georgia is still there.
The lies of you warmongers aren’t adding up.
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