Ukraine drained US stockpiles

[Zavulon]

Is that right?

CHINESE FORCES FORCE AN AMERICAN RETREAT​

In November 1950, about five months after the Korean War began, as the U.N. forces under Gen Douglas MacArthur approached the Yalu River at the Chinese-North Korean border, China warned that it would not tolerate a unification of the peninsula under U.S.-U.N. auspices. After several weeks of threats and infiltrations, China’s People's Liberation Army entered North Korea the en masse in later November, launching viscous attacks, forcing MacArthur into a costly chaotic, retreat down the peninsula. [Source: “Worldmark Encyclopedia of Nations”, Thomson Gale, 2007]

In November 1950, 300,000 Chinese soldiers attacked American forces along the Chongchon Yalu and Rivers. Again Americans were caught disastrously unprepared. After a fierce battle at the Changjin (Chosin) Reservoir, they were pushed southwards as South Korean forces had been pushed before towards Pusan during the previous summer.

Yes. There was a nice Chinese movie about the battle at the lake Changjin.

Really epic. As for me, one of the best war movies made in recent years

 

[AZrailwhale]

Is that right?

CHINESE FORCES FORCE AN AMERICAN RETREAT​

In November 1950, about five months after the Korean War began, as the U.N. forces under Gen Douglas MacArthur approached the Yalu River at the Chinese-North Korean border, China warned that it would not tolerate a unification of the peninsula under U.S.-U.N. auspices. After several weeks of threats and infiltrations, China’s People's Liberation Army entered North Korea the en masse in later November, launching viscous attacks, forcing MacArthur into a costly chaotic, retreat down the peninsula. [Source: “Worldmark Encyclopedia of Nations”, Thomson Gale, 2007]

In November 1950, 300,000 Chinese soldiers attacked American forces along the Chongchon Yalu and Rivers. Again Americans were caught disastrously unprepared. After a fierce battle at the Changjin (Chosin) Reservoir, they were pushed southwards as South Korean forces had been pushed before towards Pusan during the previous summer. The Chinese "volunteers" and the North Korean army pushed United States and South Korean forces out of North Korea within a month. North Korea eventually restored its authority over its domain. The Chinese halted their offensive in January 1951 after Seoul once again had fallen. It was a humiliating defeat for MacArthur and the Americans.

Even though the Chinese army was poorly equipped, it forced the U.S. into its longest retreat in military history — 195 kilometers (120 miles) down Korean peninsula. The Chinese attacked retreating vehicles with gauntlets of fire and bayonet attacks on men hanging on the sides of the retreating trucks. The Chinese and American often became so entangled in close range fighting that neither side could shoot without risking hitting one of their own guys. One survivor told the Washington Post, “We had to leave behind the dead and dying and wounded because there was no way to get them out...Troops were calling, ‘Help, don’t leave, we’re wounded.’”

No one denies the Chinese "volunteers" caught MacArthur flat footed and forced a retreat. Once they were stopped, the US and UN forces drove them up to the 38th parallel and stopped for political reasons. That Chinese spoiling attack cost the PLA nearly a half million soldiers.

 

[Zavulon]

No one denies the Chinese "volunteers" caught MacArthur flat footed and forced a retreat. Once they were stopped, the US and UN forces drove them up to the 38th parallel and stopped for political reasons. That Chinese spoiling attack cost the PLA nearly a half million soldiers.

It was acceptable price for China. They won more.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It was acceptable price for China. They won more.

China won nothing. There has been a stalemate since the armistice was signed on July 27th, 1953.

 

[Mushroom]

if China decided to take it tomorrow no one could stop them.

Uh, bullcrap.

For the US, there is the Taiwan Relations Act. In essence a "Mutual Defense Treaty", that would be enacted if China decided to attack.

And do not expect the UK, Australia, and Japan to sit by and do nothing either. If China was to attack Taiwan, I would expect all three of those nations to get involved.

 

[Mushroom]

China won nothing. There has been a stalemate since the armistice was signed on July 27th, 1953.

It was also their last significant military conflict. The only other one being the brief one month Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979.

It has literally been 45 years since they have fought anything more than a border skirmish. And they have not fought a "real war" since their involvement in the Korean War.

To be honest, I expect they would perform if they got into one about as well as the North Korean forces have been doing in Ukraine. They literally have not one member of their military that has ever actually been in a war. Not a single one. Which is probably why their military most times does not really know what in the hell it is doing.

 

[Deadstick]

Uh, bullcrap.

For the US, there is the Taiwan Relations Act. In essence a "Mutual Defense Treaty", that would be enacted if China decided to attack.

And do not expect the UK, Australia, and Japan to sit by and do nothing either. If China was to attack Taiwan, I would expect all three of those nations to get involved.

You are delusional, China is right next door in fact Taiwan is still part of China, it's like saying the US couldn't defend Texas if China attacked, the UK can't even put an aircraft carrier to sea and the British Army would fit inside a football stadium

 

[Zavulon]

China won nothing. There has been a stalemate since the armistice was signed on July 27th, 1953.

They won North Korea, and they won start of the negotiations about their recognition by the USA.

 

[Zavulon]

It was also their last significant military conflict. The only other one being the brief one month Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979.

It has literally been 45 years since they have fought anything more than a border skirmish. And they have not fought a "real war" since their involvement in the Korean War.

To be honest, I expect they would perform if they got into one about as well as the North Korean forces have been doing in Ukraine. They literally have not one member of their military that has ever actually been in a war.

It mostly depends on the definition of the term "war". Some could say that the USA never was in a "real war" (counting as a "real war" only conflicts in which you lose more than 10% of your population), either. Some of Chinese military participated in the Syrian conflict.

 

[Zavulon]

Uh, bullcrap.

For the US, there is the Taiwan Relations Act. In essence a "Mutual Defense Treaty", that would be enacted if China decided to attack.

And do not expect the UK, Australia, and Japan to sit by and do nothing either. If China was to attack Taiwan, I would expect all three of those nations to get involved.

To "get involved" and to "fight a nuclear war against twice superior adversary" are different things.

 

[Mushroom]

China is right next door in fact Taiwan is still part of China,

Right. I wish China a lot of luck getting their soldiers to swim to Taiwan.

And I guess you are also oblivious to the British military bases in the area.

 

[AZrailwhale]

They won North Korea, and they won start of the negotiations about their recognition by the USA.

North Korea was a Russian invention. And is an albatross around the PRC’s neck. The Kim’s have brought China nothing except misery. The “negations” for recognition was Richard Nixon deciding to drive a wedge between Russia and the PRC in February 1972, NINETEEN YEARS after the armistice between the UN and the DPRK. The Korean War wasn't the US versus North Korea and China, it was between the UN and North Korea and China. Over twenty seven nations fought for the UN on the Korean Peninsula during the war.

 

[Mushroom]

North Korea was a Russian invention. And is an albatross around the PRC’s neck. The Kim’s have brought China nothing except misery. The “negations” for recognition was Richard Nixon deciding to drive a wedge between Russia and the PRC in February 1972, NINETEEN YEARS after the armistice between the UN and the DPRK. The Korean War wasn't the US versus North Korea and China, it was between the UN and North Korea and China. Over twenty seven nations fought for the UN on the Korean Peninsula during the war.

Nothing of what he says makes any kind of sense at all. It is not even good propaganda, because at least that should have kernels of truth that the layers of BS are wrapped around.

And the problem was never the US "recognizing" the PRC. That had always been the simple fact that the PRC outright refuses to this day to have formal relations with any nation that recognized Taiwan.

That is why 12 nations around the world have no formal relations with the PRC. This has nothing to do with the other nation recognizing China, it entirely has to do with China's internal policies.

And I'm sure that China would love to cast off NK, but doing that might be political suicide if they tried. And for the past two decades has been increasing border security between the two nations, including multiple layers of fences. There are now armed guard towers along the border between the two nations, many believe primarily because of the huge number of "refugees" that are trying to get out of North Korea.

And that must give an idea how bad things are there, when they are trying to defect to China. I can't think of any other nation that borders China where they have such a problem with essentially "illegal aliens" trying to sneak into the country.

 

[ESay]

And I'm sure that China would love to cast off NK, but doing that might be political suicide if they tried. And for the past two decades has been increasing border security between the two nations, including multiple layers of fences. There are now armed guard towers along the border between the two nations, many believe primarily because of the huge number of "refugees" that are trying to get out of North Korea

It is possible, I think. If the Korean peninsula will be declared a 'neutral zone', not participating in any military alliances, and getting rid of any military bases of foreign powers there. And uniting the peninsula in some form of maybe even a confederation, at the first stages.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

 

[Mushroom]

If the Korean peninsula will be declared a 'neutral zone', not participating in any military alliances, and getting rid of any military bases of foreign powers there.

Yeah, that is not bloody likely.

History has shown that in most cases, being "Neutral" is not a good way to be in the long run. The US was neutral in both world wars, and I think everybody knows how that went. Ukraine was neutral in their desire to not align themselves with either NATO or the CIS, and look how that went.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It is possible, I think. If the Korean peninsula will be declared a 'neutral zone', not participating in any military alliances, and getting rid of any military bases of foreign powers there. And uniting the peninsula in some form of maybe even a confederation, at the first stages.

The South Koreans don’t want the millstone of the ignorant, underfed North Koreans around their necks either. Kim won’t give up his power either, so any reunification except under Kim is a no-go.

 

[ESay]

Yeah, that is not bloody likely.

History has shown that in most cases, being "Neutral" is not a good way to be in the long run. The US was neutral in both world wars, and I think everybody knows how that went. Ukraine was neutral in their desire to not align themselves with either NATO or the CIS, and look how that went.

Maybe, but this ridiculous situation on the Korean peninsula should be resolved in one way or another.

 

[ESay]

The South Koreans don’t want the millstone of the ignorant, underfed North Koreans around their necks either. Kim won’t give up his power either, so any reunification except under Kim is a no-go.

The unification of the Koreas shouldn't be like the Germans. They should learn from their mistakes. That is why I said about a confederation as the transition form for the united Korean state.

Kim won't, of course. But this ridiculous regime should be dealt with, sooner or later. If China decides to topple it, then I don't think it has too many chances to survive. Seoul should work out an acceptable solution with Beijing. And don't allow America to meddle in that in any form, because they will **** everything up.

 

[Mushroom]

Maybe, but this ridiculous situation on the Korean peninsula should be resolved in one way or another.

Well, there has been a state of war there since 1950. And unless the North Korean government falls and one takes the place that is willing to actually end the war, that is entirely up to them.

In my mind, that is just a kind of mental insanity that infects more than one country in the region. But the odds of North Korea admitting they lost the Korean War is about as likely as China admitting they lost Taiwan over 7 decades ago. Reality has no place in that kind of mental illness.