Ukraine drained US stockpiles

[Mushroom]

I dont know how china would react were Taiwan to declare independence and the US recognize them

It would be ugly, but actual war would depend on whether china thinks they can win

To be honest, who cares? There are 12 nations that do recognize Taiwan, China has not declared war against any of them. And if they were stupid enough to declare war over that, then they would pretty much become a pariah nation and I can see most other nations doing the same thing.

To be honest, this is very much a situation that I think we should not care what the other nation things. Just as we should not care if Russia thinks it is justified in invading Ukraine or not. There are a lot of people in this forum and others trying to claim that "Ukraine is not a real country", and Russia has every right to do what they are doing. I say that is complete coprolite, and that those that make claims like that are mentally ill. In the same way, Taiwan is an independent nation, and has been for over 70 years. Trying to pretend otherwise is just pandering to China.

If they want to break off relations over that, to me that is their problem and not ours. I still think it is a shame and disgrace that after recognizing Taiwan as a nation for three decades, we revoked that just to pander to the PRC. In fact, I would actually posit what the result to China would be if they revoked diplomatic relations and started a war. Could they afford to lose MFN status with the US?

 

[Zavulon]

This statement "Actually, 97% of Taiwan population are Chinese. The difference between CCP and DPP are hardly more significant that the difference between "Sluga Naroda" and "Edinaya Rossia"." is where your entire view of the world is not only wrong, but evil. If the figure of 97% is correct, it doesn't matter because those are ETHNIC CHINESE. The only actual Chinese living in Taiwanese are a few immigrants.

Those people do call themselves Chinese. Actually, the official name of Taiwan is "ROC" - "Republic of China" and they (according their Constitution) pretend to control the whole China (both the island and continental part).

That evil view is how you justify your invasions of Georgia and Ukraine.

It's not "evil". It's just "realistic".

It's also how you justify your imaginary invasion of the USA by Latin America since a large portion of our population are of Latin American heritage while only thirty million or so are actual Latin Americans, combining legal and illegal immigrants.

In my imaginary scenario they want to take land, not people. Actually, those hypothetical "Indians" (while they have nothing to do with India) just want "decolonise" Northern America. It means that they are going to kill all Americans of European, African or Asian heritage.

The USA could use the same logic to invade and conquer Canada since a fairly large portion of the Canadian population are descended from slaves transported there by the Underground Railway and boys who fled there to avoid the Vietnam era draft.

Yes, you can. But more likely you'll use economic or military excuses.

China could use the same logic to invade and conquer Siberia since a large portion of the residents are either ethnic Chinese, or actual Chinese illegal immigrants.

In fact, there are almost no Chinamen in Syberia. Even lesser than in the begining of XX century. You know, Vladivostok massacre, "drink water" and other little lessons. But anyway, China can invade, while right now they have no chances.

 

[Zavulon]

To be honest, who cares? There are 12 nations that do recognize Taiwan, China has not declared war against any of them. And if they were stupid enough to declare war over that, then they would pretty much become a pariah nation and I can see most other nations doing the same thing.

To be honest, this is very much a situation that I think we should not care what the other nation things. Just as we should not care if Russia thinks it is justified in invading Ukraine or not. There are a lot of people in this forum and others trying to claim that "Ukraine is not a real country", and Russia has every right to do what they are doing. I say that is complete coprolite, and that those that make claims like that are mentally ill. In the same way, Taiwan is an independent nation, and has been for over 70 years. Trying to pretend otherwise is just pandering to China.

If they want to break off relations over that, to me that is their problem and not ours. I still think it is a shame and disgrace that after recognizing Taiwan as a nation for three decades, we revoked that just to pander to the PRC. In fact, I would actually posit what the result to China would be if they revoked diplomatic relations and started a war. Could they afford to lose MFN status with the US?

Actually, the USA had recognised continental China as "real China" (and give them Chinese seat in UNSC) after Korean war. The first and minimal consequence of the breaking relationship between the USA and PRC will be resuming the Korean war, in which, highly likely, Russia, China and North Korea will use tactical nukes and will win pretty soon.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Those people do call themselves Chinese. Actually, the official name of Taiwan is "ROC" - "Republic of China" and they (according their Constitution) pretend to control the whole China (both the island and continental part).


It's not "evil". It's just "realistic".

In my imaginary scenario they want to take land, not people. Actually, those hypothetical "Indians" (while they have nothing to do with India) just want "decolonise" Northern America. It means that they are going to kill all Americans of European, African or Asian heritage.



Yes, you can. But more likely you'll use economic or military excuses.


In fact, there are almost no Chinamen in Syberia. Even lesser than in the begining of XX century. You know, Vladivostok massacre, "drink water" and other little lessons. But anyway, China can invade, while right now they have no chances.

Your state-controlled media hides the fact from you that there are more Chinese illegal aliens in Siberia than Russians. The Chinese are invading you just as the Latin Americans are invading the USA.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Those people do call themselves Chinese. Actually, the official name of Taiwan is "ROC" - "Republic of China" and they (according their Constitution) pretend to control the whole China (both the island and continental part).


It's not "evil". It's just "realistic".

In my imaginary scenario they want to take land, not people. Actually, those hypothetical "Indians" (while they have nothing to do with India) just want "decolonise" Northern America. It means that they are going to kill all Americans of European, African or Asian heritage.



Yes, you can. But more likely you'll use economic or military excuses.


In fact, there are almost no Chinamen in Syberia. Even lesser than in the begining of XX century. You know, Vladivostok massacre, "drink water" and other little lessons. But anyway, China can invade, while right now they have no chances.

The USSR and China had more than one small war over Siberia in the twentieth century. The USSR won because it had a more powerful and modern army. That is not the case now, if China lasts a decade, it will annex Siberia because of the Chinese population that has moved in. The Chinese immigrants are out breeding you and they will use the precedent you have set with Georgia and Ukraine to take over.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Actually, the USA had recognised continental China as "real China" (and give them Chinese seat in UNSC) after Korean war. The first and minimal consequence of the breaking relationship between the USA and PRC will be resuming the Korean war, in which, highly likely, Russia, China and North Korea will use tactical nukes and will win pretty soon.

The USA didn't hand the UN and Security Council seats to mainland China until 1971, that was EIGHTEEN YEARS after the end of the Korean War. Nixon did that in his effort to separate China from the USSR. It created a long-term problem for the world. The ROC was a reliable ally of the USA, China was our enemy even then.

 

[Zavulon]

Your state-controlled media hides the fact from you that there are more Chinese illegal aliens in Siberia than Russians.

They have much more chances to hide Martians than Chinamen in Syberia. You know, Syberia is the vast and very cold (especially by Chinese standards) place. You need a lot of resources, money, work and cooperation just to survive there. And what is even more important, this place is full of "evil Russians", who have a nice habit to kill illegal aliens. As they say "Taiga is the law, and a bear is a prosecutor". And its really difficult to hide from a seasoned hunter in winter taiga.
And if you were a young and ambitious Chinaman, who have one million dollars and a strong wish to leave China - what future career would you choose - to became an illegal farmer in Syberia (with the pretty low chances to survive the very first winter) or to buy a Chinashop in California? Hey, even their attempt to create a Chinatown in Cherkizone (in Moscow) failed after few years.

The Chinese are invading you just as the Latin Americans are invading the USA.

Of course no. Russia (especially Syberia) is not America and Chinamen are not Latinoamericans.

 

[Litwin]

Rebuilding U.S. Inventories: Six Critical Systems

At the current rate of production, it will take 5 to 18 years to replenish the weaponry we’ve sent to Ukraine

It never ceases to amaze me that we spend nearly a Trillion annually to fund an organization that’s as poorly run as NY Public Housing and for the exact same reason: the leadership enriches itself at the expense of the organization.

What a multifold clusterfuck. First arming Ukraine in the first place and second leaving us without weapons

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[Zavulon]

The USA didn't hand the UN and Security Council seats to mainland China until 1971, that was EIGHTEEN YEARS after the end of the Korean War. Nixon did that in his effort to separate China from the USSR. It created a long-term problem for the world. The ROC was a reliable ally of the USA, China was our enemy even then.

It solved some problems (like keeping peace in Korea) and created another. Anyway, if CPR is out of UN it, highly likely, means that the war in Korea will be resumed. And, in this war the Reds will have overwheliming superiority both in conventional and nuclear weapons (say nothing about numerical superiority).
Actually, even CPR alone is already equal (or superior) to the USA in the number of ICBMs.

 

[AZrailwhale]

They have much more chances to hide Martians than Chinamen in Syberia. You know, Syberia is the vast and very cold (especially by Chinese standards) place. You need a lot of resources, money, work and cooperation just to survive there. And what is even more important, this place is full of "evil Russians", who have a nice habit to kill illegal aliens. As they say "Taiga is the law, and a bear is a prosecutor". And its really difficult to hide from a seasoned hunter in winter taiga.
And if you were a young and ambitious Chinaman, who have one million dollars and a strong wish to leave China - what future career would you choose - to became an illegal farmer in Syberia (with the pretty low chances to survive the very first winter) or to buy a Chinashop in California? Hey, even their attempt to create a Chinatown in Cherkizone (in Moscow) failed after few years.



Of course no. Russia (especially Syberia) is not America and Chinamen are not Latinoamericans.

The weather is the same on both sides of the border

 

[AZrailwhale]

Recognizing the PRC happened eighteen years after the end of the Korean War.

 

[Mushroom]

Recognizing the PRC happened eighteen years after the end of the Korean War.

Which was entirely up to the PRC. Even to this day, they refuse to have any diplomatic relations with any nation that recognizes and had diplomatic relations with Taiwan.

That is a level of insanity that I simply can't comprehend. Nor can I comprehend any nation actually acceding to those demands.

Myself, I would actually like to see the US, UK, and most of the EU recognize Taiwan. What in the hell is China going to do, cut off all diplomatic relations and trade with over 80% of their trading partners? Can anybody say "economic suicide"?

 

[Zavulon]

The weather is the same on both sides of the border

Yes. Thats why Chinese north-west is barely populated.

And this is why population of north-eastern regions is decreasing.

There are much more Russians living in China, than Chinamen living in Russia.

 

[Zavulon]

Which was entirely up to the PRC. Even to this day, they refuse to have any diplomatic relations with any nation that recognizes and had diplomatic relations with Taiwan.

Yes. Taiwan is their province, temporarily controlled by the west-controlled separatists.

That is a level of insanity that I simply can't comprehend. Nor can I comprehend any nation actually acceding to those demands.

Did you ever try to comprehend Chinese? Like, starting with studying their language?

Myself, I would actually like to see the US, UK, and most of the EU recognize Taiwan.

There were reasons to recognice PRC and those reasons are even more important now.

What in the hell is China going to do, cut off all diplomatic relations and trade with over 80% of their trading partners?

Yep. For starters. Then - there will be significantly increased support of Russia in Ukrainian, Baltic, Polish and further European conflicts. There will be wars in Korea and Japan. And, finally - the war with the USA.

Can anybody say "economic suicide"?

It could be a "economic suicide" for both sides. Or, it might be just a little inconvenience, comparing with the other possible outcomes of Taiwan crisis.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yes. Taiwan is their province, temporarily controlled by the west-controlled separatists.

Did you ever try to comprehend Chinese? Like, starting with studying their language?


There were reasons to recognice PRC and those reasons are even more important now.

Yep. For starters. Then - there will be significantly increased support of Russia in Ukrainian, Baltic, Polish and further European conflicts. There will be wars in Korea and Japan. And, finally - the war with the USA.


It could be a "economic suicide" for both sides. Or, it might be just a little inconvenience, comparing with the other possible outcomes of Taiwan crisis.

Personally, I can't believe that you term 79 years as temporary.

 

[Zavulon]

Personally, I can't believe that you term 79 years as temporary.

Comparing with "5000 year long Chinese history" (tm) it's a blink of an eye. You just didn't get accustomed to Chinese mindset.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Comparing with "5000 year long Chinese history" (tm) it's a blink of an eye. You just didn't get accustomed to Chinese mindset.

five thousand years with hundreds of ruling classes. The communists have only been in power since 1947.

 

[Zavulon]

five thousand years with hundreds of ruling classes. The communists have only been in power since 1947.

It's not about building communism anymore (and actually, never have been). It's more about about recuperation after "the century of humiliation" (百年国耻).

 

[Deadstick]

Those people do call themselves Chinese. Actually, the official name of Taiwan is "ROC" - "Republic of China" and they (according their Constitution) pretend to control the whole China (both the island and continental part).


It's not "evil". It's just "realistic".

In my imaginary scenario they want to take land, not people. Actually, those hypothetical "Indians" (while they have nothing to do with India) just want "decolonise" Northern America. It means that they are going to kill all Americans of European, African or Asian heritage.



Yes, you can. But more likely you'll use economic or military excuses.


In fact, there are almost no Chinamen in Syberia. Even lesser than in the begining of XX century. You know, Vladivostok massacre, "drink water" and other little lessons. But anyway, China can invade, while right now they have no chances.

Taiwan is not recognized as a independent Nation by most Countries in the World, if China decided to take it tomorrow no one could stop them.

 

[Deadstick]

Those numbers were all COMBAT TROOPS, not civilians. The armed North Koreans and Chinese got their butts kicked.

Is that right?

CHINESE FORCES FORCE AN AMERICAN RETREAT​

In November 1950, about five months after the Korean War began, as the U.N. forces under Gen Douglas MacArthur approached the Yalu River at the Chinese-North Korean border, China warned that it would not tolerate a unification of the peninsula under U.S.-U.N. auspices. After several weeks of threats and infiltrations, China’s People's Liberation Army entered North Korea the en masse in later November, launching viscous attacks, forcing MacArthur into a costly chaotic, retreat down the peninsula. [Source: “Worldmark Encyclopedia of Nations”, Thomson Gale, 2007]

In November 1950, 300,000 Chinese soldiers attacked American forces along the Chongchon Yalu and Rivers. Again Americans were caught disastrously unprepared. After a fierce battle at the Changjin (Chosin) Reservoir, they were pushed southwards as South Korean forces had been pushed before towards Pusan during the previous summer. The Chinese "volunteers" and the North Korean army pushed United States and South Korean forces out of North Korea within a month. North Korea eventually restored its authority over its domain. The Chinese halted their offensive in January 1951 after Seoul once again had fallen. It was a humiliating defeat for MacArthur and the Americans.

Even though the Chinese army was poorly equipped, it forced the U.S. into its longest retreat in military history — 195 kilometers (120 miles) down Korean peninsula. The Chinese attacked retreating vehicles with gauntlets of fire and bayonet attacks on men hanging on the sides of the retreating trucks. The Chinese and American often became so entangled in close range fighting that neither side could shoot without risking hitting one of their own guys. One survivor told the Washington Post, “We had to leave behind the dead and dying and wounded because there was no way to get them out...Troops were calling, ‘Help, don’t leave, we’re wounded.’”