UK and France deploy troops to Ukraine to pressure Vladimir Putin: "We must weaken his war machinery"

[Deadstick]

I guess that's why their languages are almost identical?

Croats were Serbs who went to the dark side and ended up murdering almost a million Serbs in the war, same with Bosnian Muslims they were the same peope as Serbs and Croats util the Ottomans converted them.

 

[Kruska]

I noticed Kruska gave a disagree, yet failed to show any pics of Ukrainian liberated towns.
Probably because they're smoking piles of rubble with bodies still everywhere and the buildings that are
standing were abandoned long ago.

What Gaza would look like if it had soviet-era apartments in it.

Ukraine war latest: Russian offensives in key areas reveal Putin's plan for Ukraine, analysts say

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MY disagree - was in regards to you, using the term "liberated"
These towns ain't liberated, but were heavily defended by Ukrainians and conquered by Russian troops. - therefore utterly destroyed.

As for being "liberated" - might be appropriate for those towns/cities in the dominantly Russian-Ukrainian populated areas/provinces. - And I got no idea as to what places these photos show.

 

[Kruska]

Croats were Serbs who went to the dark side and ended up murdering almost a million Serbs in the war, same with Bosnian Muslims they were the same peope as Serbs and Croats util the Ottomans converted them.

Nonsense - and please stop spreading ridiculous Serbian narratives

Croat's derive originally from southern Poland - whilst Serbs are a mixture of Pannonian locals mixed with Iranians and from 600AD onward by invading Awaren (Mongol herdsmen&riders - aka White Huns). From AD 800 onward also known as Magyars.
Croats are Roman Catholics due to being ruled over by the Kingdom of Hungaria, 11th to 16th century and missonaries comming from Salzburg, whilst Serbs are Orthodox.

Today's Croatia itself goes back to, locals (Illyrian?) and their areas being settled by Greeks between 900-400 BC. Alexander the Greats father fought against those Illyrians and manage to beat them decisively. The Romans later named that province "Illyricum", and the locals became heavily Romanized. In the 6th AD century the Croats originating from Southern POLAND, were tasked by the Byzantine Ruler Konstantin VII to move and settle in today's Croatia, to protect the borders against those Awaren/Magyars/White Huns.

Thus today's Croatians are a blend of Illyrians, Greek, Romans, Polish, later Italians and partially German/Austrians - and have NOTHING in common with Serbs. - the latter driving from Iranian herdsmen and riders (Sarmatians) and settling in the Pannonia from the 5th century BC. onward.

 

[Kruska]

I guess that's why their languages are almost identical?

It's because Croatian from the 19th century onward was mixed with the Bosnian and Serb languages - thus termed Serbo-Croatian language. Since from after WW1 till today - this language was spoken throughout the Kingdom of Croatia-Serbia-Slowenia,
In 1929 after the Croatian leader Stjepan Radić was assassinated (by a Serb - ups another assassination) the Kingdom was renamed Kingdom of Yugoslavia and in 1945 named the Peoples Republic of Yugoslavia.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Correct. Trump is not going to let the tail wag the dog. Zelenski needed to be reminded who needed who.

That was a dumb thing to say. Clearly Trump is not going to agree to that. So, saying that was dumb. That would not be Putin "agreeing", that would be puting talking shit, to stonewall the talks. ie not agreeing.

I repeat. MAGA wants peace. Why does this offend you?

MAGA wants peace and domination, but domination and war if necessary.

Trump's bumbling is interfering with those goals.

 

[Correll]

MAGA wants peace and domination, but domination and war if necessary.

Trump's bumbling is interfering with those goals.

I care nothing for domination.

 

[Deadstick]

It's because Croatian from the 19th century onward was mixed with the Bosnian and Serb languages - thus termed Serbo-Croatian language. Since from after WW1 till today - this language was spoken throughout the Kingdom of Croatia-Serbia-Slowenia,
In 1929 after the Croatian leader Stjepan Radić was assassinated (by a Serb - ups another assassination) the Kingdom was renamed Kingdom of Yugoslavia and in 1945 named the Peoples Republic of Yugoslavia.

The fact is the Serbs and Croats like the Bosnian were really the same people, it was religion that divided them.

 

[Kruska]

The fact is the Serbs and Croats like the Bosnian were really the same people, it was religion that divided them.

No, and I had already informed you in detail as to where e.g. Croats and e.g. Serbs come/drive from.

It is only due to the formation of the Kingdom of Croatia-Serbia-Slowenia in 1918 and the Tito Yugoslavia, that all these Balkan ethnicities were hurled together and dominated by Serbs. Therefore all these separatist movements in 1991 resulting into the dissolution of Yugoslavia. - something that Serbia and Serbs can't accept just as Putin in regards to the dissolution of the USSR.

Even during the 300 years of Ottoman rule - Croatia unlike all the other Balkan states&ethnicities were not entirely assimilated by Turks. But always managed to keep a degree of independence and from 1700 onward drove out the Ottomans entirely , whilst the rest of the Balkans incl. Bosnia and Serbia was still controlled and kept intermixing with Turks and their kind till 1880.

That the Serbs in general had been the victims by Croatian, Bosnian, and Albanian nationalists from 1850 onward can't be denied.
And from 1944 onward the Serbs took their revenge, till today?

The following Wiki article is IMO well written

History of Croatia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Deadstick]

No, and I had already informed you in detail as to where e.g. Croats and e.g. Serbs come/drive from.

It is only due to the formation of the Kingdom of Croatia-Serbia-Slowenia in 1918 and the Tito Yugoslavia, that all these Balkan ethnicities were hurled together and dominated by Serbs. Therefore all these separatist movements in 1991 resulting into the dissolution of Yugoslavia. - something that Serbia and Serbs can't accept just as Putin in regards to the dissolution of the USSR.

Even during the 300 years of Ottoman rule - Croatia unlike all the other Balkan states&ethnicities were not entirely assimilated by Turks. But always managed to keep a degree of independence and from 1700 onward drove out the Ottomans entirely , whilst the rest of the Balkans incl. Bosnia and Serbia was still controlled and kept intermixing with Turks and their kind till 1880.

That the Serbs in general had been the victims by Croatian, Bosnian, and Albanian nationalists from 1850 onward can't be denied.
And from 1944 onward the Serbs took their revenge, till today?

The following Wiki article is IMO well written

History of Croatia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Serbs tried to stop the breakup of Yugoslavia but the Croats and Bosnian Muslims decided they were doing it, the Serbs had memories of what happened last time when hundreds of thousands of Serbs were massacred by the Croats and Bosnian Muslims thats why they tried to stop it, and they were right because we saw what Croatia and Bosnia under the Muslims descended to with the WW2 Ustashi Regime portrayed as heroes and Izetbegovic doing the same with head chopping Islamists, we have seen it in Kosovo, the Serbs had no choice but to fight.

 

[Kruska]

The Serbs tried to stop the breakup of Yugoslavia but the Croats and Bosnian Muslims decided they were doing it, the Serbs had memories of what happened last time when hundreds of thousands of Serbs were massacred by the Croats and Bosnian Muslims thats why they tried to stop it, and they were right because we saw what Croatia and Bosnia under the Muslims descended to with the WW2 Ustashi Regime portrayed as heroes and Izetbegovic doing the same with head chopping Islamists, we have seen it in Kosovo, the Serbs had no choice but to fight.

Yes, the Croat's, Bosnian's, Slovenian's, Kosovarian's, Montenegro's, etc. etc. all wanted to escape Serbian domination since Tito till the 1990's - therefore the Serbian population in those areas/provinces (incited by Belgrade) set up militias that became famous and notorious for their massacres and genocidal actions. - not withstanding that similar atrocities but on a far lesser scale were also committed against Serbs.

It's the Serbs that want to keep dominating and as such are clinging onto their former Yugoslavia entity. - and that's why all non-Serbs are fully aware of this "ambition" and react in rash actions to "expel" Serbs from their "new nations".

It's understood that Serbs that have been living in these "new-nations" for centuries, don't simply want to leave - but unfortunately Belgrade is making use of this conundrum to incite unrest - hoping to regain control over certain territories in these "new-nations".

 

[Deadstick]

Yes, the Croat's, Bosnian's, Slovenian's, Kosovarian's, Montenegro's, etc. etc. all wanted to escape Serbian domination since Tito till the 1990's - therefore the Serbian population in those areas/provinces (incited by Belgrade) set up militias that became famous and notorious for their massacres and genocidal actions. - not withstanding that similar atrocities but on a far lesser scale were also committed against Serbs.

It's the Serbs that want to keep dominating and as such are clinging onto their former Yugoslavia entity. - and that's why all non-Serbs are fully aware of this "ambition" and react in rash actions to "expel" Serbs from their "new nations".

It's understood that Serbs that have been living in these "new-nations" for centuries, don't simply want to leave - but unfortunately Belgrade is making use of this conundrum to incite unrest - hoping to regain control over certain territories in these "new-nations".

Total bollocks! Tito was a Croat and the Serbs dominated nothing, talking of Genocide check a guy called Naser Oric and all those foreign head choppers he Izetbegovic and Bill Clinton imported into Bosnia to murder Serbs and anyone else who got in the way.

 

[Kruska]

Total bollocks! Tito was a Croat and the Serbs dominated nothing, talking of Genocide check a guy called Naser Oric and all those foreign head choppers he Izetbegovic and Bill Clinton imported into Bosnia to murder Serbs and anyone else who got in the way.

Tito's mother was a Slovenian, as such he wasn't the CROATIAN you try to paint.
Everyone knows, he was a Communist and believed in a "United Communist Balkan State", and formed his partisan army core (in Croatia, with around 75 of his 80 members being Communist Croatians) to fight primarily the "independent" Fascist-Croatia that was in addition allied with Nazi-Germany. He also fought against the Serbian.
However the Communist Party was a Belgrade and Serbian dominated party - and Tito himself stated that the Serbs bore the brunt of the partisan army - according to Tito around 50% were Serbs and the other 50% comprised of all kinds of Balkan ethnics.

And as the Croatians had their Ustascha - the Serbs had their Tschetnik's - ZBOR fighting for a "Great FACIST-Serbia" and the JVUO for a Great-Serbian MONARCHY. And Tito's partisans fighting against all of them and partially even being allied with the monarchy faction of the Tschedniks.

The communist doctrine was the nullification of races and ethnicities - being replaced by the promotion of everyone being a proletarian.

So all in all you had Communist Serbs, Croatians, Slovenians plus all the others - fighting against an independent Croatia that happened to be Fascist, and in parallel fighting against Fascist&Monarchist Serbs and all the others.

Tito in the end managed to nullify all thoughts and ambitions of those viewing or wanting separate Republics. The majority of Tito's government were Serbs - who dominated the economy and politics in these previously independent Republics or territories.

Therefore upon the rise of separate nationalistic/ethnically movements in the 90's - the SERBS were the "common" enemy to ALL these separatist factions - simply because the "former uniting" Communism doctrine had been replaced by a plain nationalistic Serbian Government trying to maintain it's nationalistic Great-Serbia.