UFOs: I want to go on record right now.

[Flopper]

Comments like yours always rest on the assumptions of our most cherished beliefs which actually are only best theories for this moment . Therefore the “Travel Time “ query is inconsequential — maybe they can bend space , create , control and use worm holes etc etc . But Who Cares , because we certainly will have no idea until we are given such info . You then forget that many otherwise sane investigators believe there is abundant evidence that we have been visited several times already . And lastly , just because we do not know why they might wish to visit us , that is irrelevant to what their unknown wishes may , or , may not be . It could even be that “they “ lived here a long time before we evolved or were created . That in itself could be reason to return —- a home visit , etc etc Less Cognitive Rigidity perhaps , and less impatience . Imho

Since we are not blessed with infinite wisdom, we don't know what it is we do know. And in fact, we lack answers to many questions about space travel. Therefore, our discussions should center around what we know to be scientific facts or at least what the scientific community believes is likely based on what we know today.

There are 3 questions that should be answered in any intelligent discussion of alien visitation.

How would they surmount the problem of distance?

From what we know of the laws of physics and accepted scientific theories, traveling as fast as the speed of light would be impossible. The energy required would become infinite as we reached that speed. Even a ship built to go a million mph, would take 671 years to to cover just 1 light year and the closest planet that might support intelligent life is 4 light years away. The distance across just our galaxy is 100,000 light years. The vast distance between the stars makes a strong argument against a alien visitation.

When would a visit occur?

The time of man on earth is only a blink of the eye in the billions of years in the life of the universe. Assuming an intelligent species overcomes the problem of the distance between the stars, the chance that they just might happen to visit us during the instant in time that intelligent life exists on earand was intelligent enough to recognize them for what they were is astronomically small.

Lastly, why would a civilization so advanced to have overcome the distance and time factor of space travel want to visit such a backward civilization as exists on Earth.

Yes, alien coming to earth make great fiction but not facts.

Comments like yours always rest on the assumptions of our most cherished beliefs which actually are only best theories for this moment . Therefore the “Travel Time “ query is inconsequential — maybe they can bend space , create , control and use worm holes etc etc . But Who Cares , because we certainly will have no idea until we are given such info . You then forget that many otherwise sane investigators believe there is abundant evidence that we have been visited several times already . And lastly , just because we do not know why they might wish to visit us , that is irrelevant to what their unknown wishes may , or , may not be . It could even be that “they “ lived here a long time before we evolved or were created . That in itself could be reason to return —- a home visit , etc etc Less Cognitive Rigidity perhaps , and less impatience . Imho

Maybe our laws of physics and accepted scientific theory is wrong. Maybe there are aliens that can bend space or compress space, or maybe they have developed to point of being Gods that propel themselves by their very thought, or maybe there is a parallel universe to ours that allows them to crossover, or maybe they wave a magic wand that will send them across space and time. I believe we should discuss alien visitation based scientific facts or and accepted scientific theory or at least what the scientific community considers likely.

My comment on time was not about time travel. It's about the probability of alien life arriving at this tiny spot in all of space when there was intelligent life. Intelligent life started about a 100,000 years ago. This is only a tiny sliver of time compared to the age of universe, about 13.7,000,000,000 years ago. The time frame that alien visitors would be recognized as such is an even much smaller sliver of time. Or more to the point, the likelihood that aliens would have arrived in this particular solar system at this particular time is astronomically small.

The vastness of space, the time factor needed to travel, and fact that intelligent life capable of space travel could be offset billions of years from the existence of intelligent life on earth. This makes the likelihood of aliens visiting us extremely unlikely.

 

[PredFan]

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Keep telling yourself that flyboy, I know for a fact they are real and I've seen them myself.

The distances are only too great for chemical rockets and conventional linear space flight as we know it.

I don't care what the personal experience is of a person who resorts to childish name-calling and has an obsession with masturbation. What your dysfunctional brain sees is not proof.

The distances are too great for physical travel according to the laws that govern the entire universe.

 

[PredFan]

Comments like yours always rest on the assumptions of our most cherished beliefs which actually are only best theories for this moment . Therefore the “Travel Time “ query is inconsequential — maybe they can bend space , create , control and use worm holes etc etc . But Who Cares , because we certainly will have no idea until we are given such info . You then forget that many otherwise sane investigators believe there is abundant evidence that we have been visited several times already . And lastly , just because we do not know why they might wish to visit us , that is irrelevant to what their unknown wishes may , or , may not be . It could even be that “they “ lived here a long time before we evolved or were created . That in itself could be reason to return —- a home visit , etc etc Less Cognitive Rigidity perhaps , and less impatience . Imho

You understand that "bending space", and "creating, controlling, and using worm holes" are the "best theories for this moment" as well?

Where is this "abundant evidence" that you are talking about? I'm pretty familiar with this subject and have seen no evidence at all. Sightings of strange phenomena is not evidence of alien visitation.

 

[Resnic]

Despite the recent sightings, and despite the fact that Congress will gather to discuss UFOs, I will state right now that we are NOT being visited by alien spacecraft or alien beings. Are there UFOs? Have people reported seeing UFOs? Yes.

A UFO, remember, is any flying craft that you cannot identify. So yeah, there are UFOs. They haven't been identified but that does not mean they are from some alien civilization. An airplane flying overhead would be an unidentified flying object to some isolated tribe of humans who have never had contact with the outside world. Eventually we will identify what people report seeing now, unless of course they are lying.

We know that the laws of physics exist throughout the universe. Examinations of the furthest galaxies can be examined and have shown to be following the same laws of physics. thus, we can reasonably assume that, just as here, nothing can exceed the speed of light. If you are going to come at me with "worm holes", know that they guy who came up with the theory, Stephen Hawking, changed his mind on them before his death.

The distances are too great, and the number of possible sentient beings is too small.

It hasn't happened we haven't been visited, and it likely never will.

Well yes physics are the same, as far as we know, but that doesn't mean technology can't be invented to manipulate those physics. 1000 years ago the concept of creating ice cubes in a tiny box would have been impossible yet we do it everyday, now you can create ice the middle of a desert in 110 degree temperatures thanks to a relatively simple device. Physics is only defined by what man says, and as we know we are constantly reevaluating everything as we attain new technology. So saying physics is an absolute is wrong. Once man learns how to manipulate gravity then our limitations will be vastly expanded.

Distances aren't too great. Distance is only a perception based on knowledge and ability. A fly in Florida can never make it to Alaska, it's impossible. But a fly ends up in a plane it can be in Alaska in hours thus making a impossible distance possible. Same with people predating ships, their world was probably 100 miles and that's it, they had no idea of the rest of the world. Now you can sit in a seat flying through the sky watching movies and go the other side of the earth. All we need is the technology to travel further faster into space or to close that distance gap.

To say aliens haven't been to earth and it's impossible for it to happen isn't realistic. It's unlikely, but not impossible.

 

[toobfreak]

I don't care what the personal experience is of a person who resorts to childish name-calling and has an obsession with masturbation. What your dysfunctional brain sees is not proof.
The distances are too great for physical travel according to the laws that govern the entire universe.

Your childish, juvenile attempt to minimize my direct observation reports just to vindicate your small-minded idiotic view that "space is too vast" just shows what an idiot you are. If you didn't use one excuse, you'd just use another. Fact is I saw what I saw and nothing on this earth known to man can make instant turns or instant speed jumps much less in the 1960s. Better come to grip PredFlake that people don't travel between the stars with chemical rockets or any other science we know but by either folding space or some sort of inter-dimensional jumps.

 

[LuckyDuck]

There are 3 questions that should be answered in any intelligent discussion of alien visitation.

How would they surmount the problem of distance?

From what we know of the laws of physics, traveling the speed of light would be impossible. The energy required would become infinite as they reached that speed. Even a ship built to go a million mph, would take 671 years to cover just 1 light year and the closest planet that might support intelligent life is 4 light years away. The distance across just our galaxy is 100,000 light years. The vast distance between the stars makes a strong argument against a alien visitation.

When would a visit occur?

The time of man on earth is only a blink of the eye in the billions of years in the life of the universe. Assuming an intelligent species overcomes the problem of the distance of travel to the earth, the chance that they just might happen to visit us during the instant in time that intelligent life existed and was intelligent enough to recognize them for what they were is astronomically small.

Lastly, why would a civilization so advanced to have overcome the distance and time factor of space travel want to visit such a backward civilization as exists on Earth.

Yes, alien coming to earth make great fiction but not facts.

In response to your first statement: In 1994 Miguel Alcubierre calculated that travelling faster than light via his warp bubble calculation. The only thing missing to accomplish this was the existence of some form of "exotic material" that we do not have. Having said that, on occasion, our planet is struck by meteorites and while most consist of known minerals, there are rare occasions that have left behind minerals that are not found on Earth. Since that is the case, there is the possibility that there may be an exotic material existing on some other planets that we lack and could be made use of by a possible existing alien civilization, allowing them to traverse the galaxy.
So far, the farthest any of our radio signals have travelled from Earth is about 200 light years, thus if there happens to be a planet with an advanced civilization within that distance, they detected it and had managed to have invented faster than light travel, they could, if they wanted to, check out our planet, by probes first.
As far as I'm concerned though, I don't think we've been visited by any aliens from space and that any of these strange craft we've been seeing are actually top secret craft from DARPA or Skunk Works, or some similar organization in another country.

 

[Kruska]

In response to your first statement: In 1994 Miguel Alcubierre calculated that travelling faster than light via his warp bubble calculation. The only thing missing to accomplish this was the existence of some form of "exotic material" that we do not have. Having said that, on occasion, our planet is struck by meteorites and while most consist of known minerals, there are rare occasions that have left behind minerals that are not found on Earth. Since that is the case, there is the possibility that there may be an exotic material existing on some other planets that we lack and could be made use of by a possible existing alien civilization, allowing them to traverse the galaxy.
So far, the farthest any of our radio signals have travelled from Earth is about 200 light years, thus if there happens to be a planet with an advanced civilization within that distance, they detected it and had managed to have invented faster than light travel, they could, if they wanted to, check out our planet, by probes first.
As far as I'm concerned though, I don't think we've been visited by any aliens from space and that any of these strange craft we've been seeing are actually top secret craft from DARPA or Skunk Works, or some similar organization in another country.

Okay "exotic" alloys. How tough "indestructible" would a material need to be to survive impacts with space objects aka comets/meteors, etc to withstand an impact - happening at near light-speed? Can such a material even be worked with?
I don't find it feasible for an even "advanced civilization" e.g. 780 light-years away, to plot a free-path to earth in order to propel at light-speed or Warp-speed (or what ever super duper speed). - not to mention our own polluted earth space filled with debris.

As such "speed" doesn't seem to be the technical or scientific factor, that could allow "alien-objects" maned or unmanned to come here.

 

[PredFan]

Well yes physics are the same, as far as we know, but that doesn't mean technology can't be invented to manipulate those physics. 1000 years ago the concept of creating ice cubes in a tiny box would have been impossible yet we do it everyday, now you can create ice the middle of a desert in 110 degree temperatures thanks to a relatively simple device. Physics is only defined by what man says, and as we know we are constantly reevaluating everything as we attain new technology. So saying physics is an absolute is wrong. Once man learns how to manipulate gravity then our limitations will be vastly expanded.

Distances aren't too great. Distance is only a perception based on knowledge and ability. A fly in Florida can never make it to Alaska, it's impossible. But a fly ends up in a plane it can be in Alaska in hours thus making a impossible distance possible. Same with people predating ships, their world was probably 100 miles and that's it, they had no idea of the rest of the world. Now you can sit in a seat flying through the sky watching movies and go the other side of the earth. All we need is the technology to travel further faster into space or to close that distance gap.

To say aliens haven't been to earth and it's impossible for it to happen isn't realistic. It's unlikely, but not impossible.

But the physics of water becoming ice is obviously possible. There's no example of exceeding light speed.

It is in fact possible for a fly to make it to Alaska, you gave one example.

For the record, I didn't state that it was impossible, except for exceeding light speed. Them visiting us is not impossible just very very very unlikely and IMO, has never happened and will never happen.

My statement that Sentient aliens have never been to earth is not only realistic, it's logical and so far not proven false.

 

[PredFan]

In response to your first statement: In 1994 Miguel Alcubierre calculated that travelling faster than light via his warp bubble calculation. The only thing missing to accomplish this was the existence of some form of "exotic material" that we do not have. Having said that, on occasion, our planet is struck by meteorites and while most consist of known minerals, there are rare occasions that have left behind minerals that are not found on Earth. Since that is the case, there is the possibility that there may be an exotic material existing on some other planets that we lack and could be made use of by a possible existing alien civilization, allowing them to traverse the galaxy.
So far, the farthest any of our radio signals have travelled from Earth is about 200 light years, thus if there happens to be a planet with an advanced civilization within that distance, they detected it and had managed to have invented faster than light travel, they could, if they wanted to, check out our planet, by probes first.
As far as I'm concerned though, I don't think we've been visited by any aliens from space and that any of these strange craft we've been seeing are actually top secret craft from DARPA or Skunk Works, or some similar organization in another country.

You would have to give examples of materials that are not found on earth. I'm pretty sure that any material in a meteor that didn't exist on earth would add something to the periodic table and so far to my knowledge has not occurred.

 

[Stryder50]

What the Media’s Mainstreaming of UFOs Means for Government Transparency​

Opinion by Rear Admiral (ret.) Tim Gallaudet, Ph.D.

MSN

 

[Stryder50]

UFO whistleblower David Grusch interview: What’s happened since?​

MSN

www.msn.com

Also;

UFO reporter George Knapp special reports: What’s happened since?​

MSN

 

[luiza]

UFO whistleblower David Grusch interview: What’s happened since?​

MSN

www.msn.com

I have no idea .
But every day I look at News headlines from two or three big world organiations which by definition are garbage -- but you see patterns and repetitions and they are what they have been told to push .

Something very big re UAPs is just round the corner based on the drivel and nonsense that is being published almost daily .
These days nearly all of it is written as being serious , which most of it certainly is not .
But a huge softening and manipulation exercise is happening .

Eyes to the sky . No fear .

 

[Stryder50]

Not a new idea ~ approach; it's been around almost since the beginning about 75 years ago. But worth a refresher and consideration (might explain part of the issue);

The scariest thing about UFOs (it's not the aliens)​

MSN

 

[initforme]

It's beyond infantile to think we are the only life in the universe. Just not possible.

 

[peacefan]

It's beyond infantile to think we are the only life in the universe. Just not possible.

true, but it's not irrealistic to think we haven't been discovered by space-travelling alien life.
interplanetary supply lines are also rather long.

 

[there4eyeM]

Given the incomprehensible proportions of time and space, contact with another intelligent life form has a probability almost lower than winning the lottery without buying a ticket.

 

[luiza]

Given the incomprehensible proportions of time and space, contact with another intelligent life form has a probability almost lower than winning the lottery without buying a ticket.

A standard thought trotted out by non specialists .

Think ten dimensions rather than our four and your hoped for figures response evaporates .

Think a superior race perhaps millions of our years more advanced -- why would they waste time with flea brains ?
Unless they occasionally want to check up on one of their long term minor experiments .

Then consider the actual state of play according to many reputable informers who all say we have been in contact --- at least since ca. 1950 .
That can never be resolved in front of official disclosure but until then such possible information is beyond Top Secret .

 

[luiza]

The best person to easily refer to is Clif High .
Regardless of what conclusions you personally want to make , he is the most clever person you will ever run into .
He can teach you the relevance and usefulness of Predictive Linguistics to this subject area.

But he is also part of a top RV group who have some remarkable things to tell and they are 100% serious and also very clever and gifted .
If you are interested, you will DYOR because me outlining some of his basic narrative would only lead to standard abusive comments from the Stupids ( Sheeple).

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

A standard thought trotted out by non specialists

Then name one that isn't a discredited kook.

 

[peacefan]

Given the incomprehensible proportions of time and space, contact with another intelligent life form has a probability almost lower than winning the lottery without buying a ticket.

well, one shouldn't underestimate the power of science (alien or human) in the quest to find 'each other' - for whatever purpose(s).