UFOs: I want to go on record right now.

[luiza]

Then name one that isn't a discredited kook.

Go away dim wit .
Why publicly parade your ignorance and lack of subject awareness ?

 

[there4eyeM]

well, one shouldn't underestimate the power of science (alien or human) in the quest to find 'each other' - for whatever purpose(s).

It is the vastness of the universe that should not be underestimated.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Go away dim wit .
Why publicly parade your ignorance and lack of subject awareness ?

Can't name a single one, can you?

 

[Stryder50]

Some of these are presented in partial objective tone, others more tongue in cheek. Presenting here because this is a fairly inclusive list of the many aspects involved in the UFO~UAV~Etc. issue.

Analyzing 20 UFO and Extraterrestrial Conspiracy Theories​

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[sealybobo]

Some of these are presented in partial objective tone, others more tongue in cheek. Presenting here because this is a fairly inclusive list of the many aspects involved in the UFO~UAV~Etc. issue.

Analyzing 20 UFO and Extraterrestrial Conspiracy Theories​

MSN

www.msn.com

If UFOs existed, Trump would have told us.

 

[sealybobo]

A standard thought trotted out by non specialists .

Think ten dimensions rather than our four and your hoped for figures response evaporates .

Think a superior race perhaps millions of our years more advanced -- why would they waste time with flea brains ?
Unless they occasionally want to check up on one of their long term minor experiments .

Then consider the actual state of play according to many reputable informers who all say we have been in contact --- at least since ca. 1950 .
That can never be resolved in front of official disclosure but until then such possible information is beyond Top Secret .

DORSCH: The way that they are interpreted in other places in the world does not always align with how we interpret them here in the States. For example, UFO sightings in the '50s and '60s in Germany very rarely had the sort of alien-extraterrestrial bend. Instead, Germans saw things they couldn't explain and assumed that they were American or Russian technology, that the global superpowers were testing new kinds of war technology over their skies. In the '40s and '50s, there were a series of sightings in Sweden, the ghost rockets - again, quickly interpreted to be a new Russian technology.

 

[sealybobo]

Some of these are presented in partial objective tone, others more tongue in cheek. Presenting here because this is a fairly inclusive list of the many aspects involved in the UFO~UAV~Etc. issue.

Analyzing 20 UFO and Extraterrestrial Conspiracy Theories​

MSN

www.msn.com

I believe there is intelligent life on other planets but not creatures that have visited us. Just like we can’t visit them.

We can take cellphone size spaceships, put dna in them and send them to planets in the Goldilocks zone. Sort of plant life. That could have happened here. There could have been life on mars once and they planted the seed here knowing their world was ending but some day we’d be in the zone.

Ever notice only Catholic people get possessed and have to get exorcisms? Seems like alien obduction is mostly an american phenomenon.

The government loves people believing in ufos. It makes funding space programs easier. They get public support.

 

[sealybobo]

Can't name a single one, can you?

I'd like to say something to conservatives who believe in UFO's. The same Republicans who are against space exploration. If they understand a truly advanced society can travel between solar systems, why are they against us going into space now? a truly advanced society is not stuck on their rock.

In fact, we should have a force field around the planet capable of destroying or deterring a big meteor from hitting us.

And a truly advance society wouldn't be raping the planet of it's natural resources to heat our homes and drive our cars. We'd be using the sun more. Or water. Or batteries. Certainly not coal and oil.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I'd like to say something to conservatives who believe in UFO's. The same Republicans who are against space exploration. If they understand a truly advanced society can travel between solar systems, why are they against us going into space now? a truly advanced society is not stuck on their rock.

In fact, we should have a force field around the planet capable of destroying or deterring a big meteor from hitting us.

And a truly advance society wouldn't be raping the planet of it's natural resources to heat our homes and drive our cars. We'd be using the sun more. Or water. Or batteries. Certainly not coal and oil.

The idea of a force field you describe is science fiction. Maybe in centuries or even millenia but not now.

Most people opposing space exploration are left wingers.

Water batteries the sun oe anything EXCEPT fossile fuels will not heat homes enough to allow people to survive winter

 

[sealybobo]

The idea of a force field you describe is science fiction. Maybe in centuries or even millenia but not now.

Most people opposing space exploration are left wingers.

Water batteries the sun oe anything EXCEPT fossile fuels will not heat homes enough to allow people to survive winter

I saw a show once on advanced civilizations. Let's say there were 5 levels of advanced civilization. We were only between 2-3. Level 1 knows how to make fire. Level 2 has figured out coal and oil and iron. Level 3 knows how to harness the sun. Level 5 can protect fix/repair our atmosphere, destroy meteors before they wipe us out, etc.

I will look into who's most against space exploration. I would think liberals think like me. I understand we can't stay on this rock forever. And Republicans don't want to waste the money. What about the debt they say.

This is why they are teasing us with UFO info. They want to spend a lot of money going back to the moon and mars. I'm all for it. But they got to get conservatives to go along. So they tap into the conspiracy theorists in them.

 

[Batcat]

Despite the recent sightings, and despite the fact that Congress will gather to discuss UFOs, I will state right now that we are NOT being visited by alien spacecraft or alien beings. Are there UFOs? Have people reported seeing UFOs? Yes.

A UFO, remember, is any flying craft that you cannot identify. So yeah, there are UFOs. They haven't been identified but that does not mean they are from some alien civilization. An airplane flying overhead would be an unidentified flying object to some isolated tribe of humans who have never had contact with the outside world. Eventually we will identify what people report seeing now, unless of course they are lying.

We know that the laws of physics exist throughout the universe. Examinations of the furthest galaxies can be examined and have shown to be following the same laws of physics. thus, we can reasonably assume that, just as here, nothing can exceed the speed of light. If you are going to come at me with "worm holes", know that they guy who came up with the theory, Stephen Hawking, changed his mind on them before his death.

The distances are too great, and the number of possible sentient beings is too small.

It hasn't happened we haven't been visited, and it likely never will.

The,UFOs and UAPs may be occupied by people from the future. Possibly way in the future.

Is Time Travel Possible?

The laws of physics allow time travel. So why haven’t people become chronological hoppers?

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The,UFOs and UAPs may be occupied by people from the future. Possibly way in the future.

Is Time Travel Possible?

The laws of physics allow time travel. So why haven’t people become chronological hoppers?

www.scientificamerican.com

*RUDE people from the future

None of them came to Hawking's party!

 

[Batcat]

*RUDE people from the future

None of them came to Hawking's party!

Good point!

 

[sealybobo]

The idea of a force field you describe is science fiction. Maybe in centuries or even millenia but not now.

Most people opposing space exploration are left wingers.

Water batteries the sun oe anything EXCEPT fossile fuels will not heat homes enough to allow people to survive winter

About seven-in-ten Americans say it is essential that the U.S. continue to be a world leader in space, while 30% say this is not an essential role for the country.

Who are the 30% who don't want us in space? You say it's liberals? From my experience on USMB, it's Republicans who say we should stop wasting the money. I'd be curious to hear from others. Are they Democrats or Republicans and do they think we should be going to the Moon, Mars and the Meteor belt and beyond or just stay home?

Of course Republicans think private companies should do it not Nasa. Overall, 65% of U.S. adults say it is essential that NASA continue to be involved in space exploration, the survey finds. A smaller share (32%) believe that private companies will ensure enough progress is made in space exploration, even without NASA’s involvement.

But the public is less confident that other events will happen – including discovering intelligent life and building colonies on other planets.

Who are the skeptics? Certainly Republicans right?

Four-in-ten Americans believe intelligent life will definitely or probably be discovered on another planet over the next 50 years; 58% don’t expect this to happen. In a 2021 Pew Research Center survey, 65% of Americans said their best guess was that intelligent life does exist on other planets.

Religous people tend to believe we are the only intelligent life in the universe, right?

When asked what NASA’s priorities should be, Americans rank monitoring asteroids that could hit the Earth and monitoring the Earth’s climate system at the top of the list. There’s far less public urgency for NASA to send humans to the moon or Mars and to search for other planets that could support life.

Six-in-ten Americans say it’s a top priority for NASA to monitor asteroids and other objects that could potentially hit the earth. Another 30% say this is an important, but lower, priority for NASA, and just 9% say this is not too important or should not be done.

Who says it's not important and shouldn't be done? I'll tell you. Religious people who say it's not God's plan to wipe us out with an asteroid. If it was the bible would have told us about it.

Shit I'm in the minority on this one About three-in-ten each say conducting scientific research on how space travel affects human health and searching for raw materials that could be used on Earth are top priorities for NASA.

Compared with 2018, Americans see many of these priorities as less pressing than they did five years ago

This is why they are hinting at UFO's.

For example, majorities of Democrats (64%) and Republicans (57%) say monitoring asteroids that could hit the Earth should be a top priority for NASA.

Look how Republicans are brainwashed against any talk of man made climate change. They don't even want to investigate it. About seven-in-ten Democrats say monitoring key parts of the climate should be a top priority for NASA. By contrast, just 30% of Republicans place the highest priority on this (25% say it’s not too important or should not be done at all).

Americans’ Views of Space: U.S. Role, NASA Priorities and Impact of Private Companies

A majority of Americans (69%) say it’s essential for the U.S. to continue to be a world leader in space. As private companies become a bigger part of the industry, the public gives them more positive than negative ratings for their contributions to space exploration and spacecraft development...

www.pewresearch.org

Very interesting

 

[hadit]

Despite the recent sightings, and despite the fact that Congress will gather to discuss UFOs, I will state right now that we are NOT being visited by alien spacecraft or alien beings. Are there UFOs? Have people reported seeing UFOs? Yes.

A UFO, remember, is any flying craft that you cannot identify. So yeah, there are UFOs. They haven't been identified but that does not mean they are from some alien civilization. An airplane flying overhead would be an unidentified flying object to some isolated tribe of humans who have never had contact with the outside world. Eventually we will identify what people report seeing now, unless of course they are lying.

We know that the laws of physics exist throughout the universe. Examinations of the furthest galaxies can be examined and have shown to be following the same laws of physics. thus, we can reasonably assume that, just as here, nothing can exceed the speed of light. If you are going to come at me with "worm holes", know that they guy who came up with the theory, Stephen Hawking, changed his mind on them before his death.

The distances are too great, and the number of possible sentient beings is too small.

It hasn't happened we haven't been visited, and it likely never will.

Physics AS WE UNDERSTAND IT exists throughout the universe. There was a time that scientific minds insisted man would never fly in heavier than air vehicles because reasons. To hubristically insist that we are the end all and be all of the universe and nothing could be so far ahead of us that we couldn't understand even a little about how they get around is sheer arrogance.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Physics AS WE UNDERSTAND IT exists throughout the universe. There was a time that scientific minds insisted man would never fly in heavier than air vehicles because reasons. To hubristically insist that we are the end all and be all of the universe and nothing could be so far ahead of us that we couldn't understand even a little about how they get around is sheer arrogance.

But that's the issue. The laws of physics apply everywhere. And there is no free lunch, in the universe.

The amount of energy they would need ot deform space is astronomical. And if they didn't, then so are the travel times.

There almost certainly has been, is, or will be other intelligent species in the universe. But we will probably never meet them.

 

[hadit]

But that's the issue. The laws of physics apply everywhere. And there is no free lunch, in the universe.

The amount of energy they would need ot deform space is astronomical. And if they didn't, then so are the travel times.

There almost certainly has been, is, or will be other intelligent species in the universe. But we will probably never meet them.

Probably not, but OTOH, it was not very long ago that the idea we could harness the process that heats the sun was pure science fiction. Now it's almost a reality. And no, there is no free lunch because the laws of thermodynamics always apply, but who is to say that civilizations millions if not billions of years older than ours have not figured out how to harness the total energy of multiple suns to power their processes, or to whom a few thousand years to travel between star systems is a lunch break? The point is to keep an open mind and not kneejerk reject ideas because they seem impossible to us. Our world today would have been impossible to the people of just 300 years ago, an eyeblink in history.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Probably not, but OTOH, it was not very long ago that the idea we could harness the process that heats the sun was pure science fiction. Now it's almost a reality. And no, there is no free lunch because the laws of thermodynamics always apply, but who is to say that civilizations millions if not billions of years older than ours have not figured out how to harness the total energy of multiple suns to power their processes, or to whom a few thousand years to travel between star systems is a lunch break? The point is to keep an open mind and not kneejerk reject ideas because they seem impossible to us. Our world today would have been impossible to the people of just 300 years ago, an eyeblink in history.

Right, but then they would have to generate that energy every time they traveled. How would they get it here, in order to travel somewhere else?

And how would they have observed us in the first place? There are limits to the resolution by which we can observe distant objects, regardless of technology.

 

[hadit]

Right, but then they would have to generate that energy every time they traveled. How would they get it here, in order to travel somewhere else?

I do not know, but if they could figure out how to harness the power, they probably could also figure out how to store it for later use. That doesn't bother me a whole lot. Also, if their lifespan is such that a few thousand years coasting between star systems is a lunch break, what of the distance if they don't go FTL? The point is, we're stuck with our frame of reference, while they may (in fact, almost certainly would) have a completely different perspective.

And how would they have observed us in the first place? There are limits to the resolution by which we can observe distant objects, regardless of technology.

Our first attempts at interstellar travel will be sending out drones to observe nearby star systems. I would expect theirs would have been as well. Send out millions of drones to the star systems within a few light years and wait for updates, then travel to the systems of interest. Again, we're stuck in our frame of reference. Would it make any difference to a very long-lived race if they had to wait a few thousand of our years to get updates from drones they sent out?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I do not know, but if they could figure out how to harness the power, they probably could also figure out how to store it for later use. That doesn't bother me a whole lot. Also, if their lifespan is such that a few thousand years coasting between star systems is a lunch break, what of the distance if they don't go FTL? The point is, we're stuck with our frame of reference, while they may (in fact, almost certainly would) have a completely different perspective.

Our first attempts at interstellar travel will be sending out drones to observe nearby star systems. I would expect theirs would have been as well. Send out millions of drones to the star systems within a few light years and wait for updates, then travel to the systems of interest. Again, we're stuck in our frame of reference. Would it make any difference to a very long-lived race if they had to wait a few thousand of our years to get updates from drones they sent out?

Either they can bend space and the lifespan doesn't matter, or they can't.

1000s of years? Try millions or billions. It would have to be, if they can't travel faster than light.

And still, you have the problem of observing the destination before launch. If these are random drones, the odds of encountering them pretty much remain at zero.