U.S. Uneasy About China's Peace Plan for Ukraine.

None of this would be happening if the dems didn't steal the election... there wouldn't be a war and China wouldn't be taking the lead in global affairs.... I heard a LAUSD teacher say they are striking because everything costs more today and I screamed at my TV...(did you vote for Biden you dumbass)...... live with it....
 
This is just China trying to create yet another
state that is completely reliant upon China.


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Maybe Russia considers this a reasonable deal:

"If we are destined to be the gas station of other countries, at least, let's be the gas station of a country that respects us as a nation. A country that doesn't create and expand military alliances to surround our borders... A country that doesn't have any russian minorities to be in a perpetual state of war with."
I don't think Russia cares if they are thought of as a gas station.

Russia, I think is confident in being a world power that can't be divided up and taken out of the fight.
 
None of this would be happening if the dems didn't steal the election... there wouldn't be a war and China wouldn't be taking the lead in global affairs....
I think you're right in that Trump would have never started this proxy war. It's just too obvious that Russia offered a peaceful solution that would have been agreeable to America's interests, if aggression could have been taken off the table.

A neutral Ukraine in which different ethnicities could live in peace and Russia's borders and huge wealth would not be threatened by America.
 
If by peaceful means, you mean lying, cheating, stealing, spying, enslaving and intimidating yes China has quite the track record of achieving its goals through "peaceful means".
Your imagined charges against China are revealing of America's motives.

How dare China be so arrogant as to challenge and intimidate America?
 

China’s Twelve-Point Proposal

1. Respecting the Sovereignty of all Countries

2. Abandoning the Cold War Mentality

3. Ceasing Hostilities

4. Resuming Peace Talks

5. Resolving the Humanitarian Crisis

6. Protecting Civilians and Prisoners of War

7. Keeping Nuclear Power Plants Safe

8. Reducing Strategic Risks

9. Facilitating Grain Exports

10. Stopping Unilateral Sanctions

11. Keeping Industrial and Supply Chains Stable

12. Promoting Post-Conflict Reconstruction

Declare a ceasefire as soon as Russia agrees to #1 and to withdrawing peacefully from all Ukraine territory.

Thanks President Obvious.
 
Can Trump break through the wall of resistance against his agenda by attempting an antiwar stand against Biden and his war against Russia?

Even this extreme rightist forum is showing that the possibility is still on the table.
 

China’s Twelve-Point Proposal

1. Respecting the Sovereignty of all Countries

2. Abandoning the Cold War Mentality

3. Ceasing Hostilities

4. Resuming Peace Talks

5. Resolving the Humanitarian Crisis

6. Protecting Civilians and Prisoners of War

7. Keeping Nuclear Power Plants Safe

8. Reducing Strategic Risks

9. Facilitating Grain Exports

10. Stopping Unilateral Sanctions

11. Keeping Industrial and Supply Chains Stable

12. Promoting Post-Conflict Reconstruction

Declare a ceasefire as soon as Russia agrees to #1 and to withdrawing peacefully from all Ukraine territory.

Thanks President Obvious.
12 points that are increasingly attractive to a world that's on the verge of losing everything in a nuclear war.
But America understands that point #1 is not aimed at only Russia in the Ukraine. The discussion can be allowed to take place on Russia's aggression, but it will also need to include America's many wars of aggression.
 
I don't object to this topic being moved to a different heading but I do have to wonder if the move serves any purpose?

Especially at a time when the new topics are mostly interests in trolling,j spamming, and turned to profanity as they disappear off the bottom of the list.

Maybe the moderator responsible can explain? Thanks!
 
To conclude the discussion, only China can raise point #1 legitimately.

H.K., Taiwan, Islamic Uighur terrorists, and even Tibet are all legitimate.

It can also be an offer to not conclude!
 
12 points that are increasingly attractive to a world that's on the verge of losing everything in a nuclear war.
But America understands that point #1 is not aimed at only Russia in the Ukraine. The discussion can be allowed to take place on Russia's aggression, but it will also need to include America's many wars of aggression.
What war of aggression are we involved in right now where we are claiming another country as our own?
 
What war of aggression are we involved in right now where we are claiming another country as our own?
The Ukraine, and Iraq and Afghanistan, and Vietnam and another 30+ victim countries that needn't be declared America's as long as America can claim colonial style dominance over them.

Did America start close to 40 wars since the end of WW2? And did America kill 30,000,000 million civilians in those wars?

America can't have a part of Russia!
 
We have been trying to know ourselves off.

See Obama/biden.
That was the GOP trying to knock them (and us) off the world stage. Bush on the other hand had tremendous support from Democrats for attacking Bin Laden in Afghanistan, less so for morphing that into the invasion and occupation of Iraq but still got the Dem support on making him the decider in chief.
 
The Ukraine, and Iraq and Afghanistan, and Vietnam and another 30+ victim countries that needn't be declared America's as long as America can claim colonial style dominance over them.

Did America start close to 40 wars since the end of WW2? And did America kill 30,000,000 million civilians in those wars?

America can't have a part of Russia!
We have no territorial claims on any of those places. GWB normalize relations with Vietnam.

So you want to make a peace plan by bringing up past sins of past generations.

We will gladly by Russian oil to burn in our vehicles if the price is right.
 
This is a point that needs made over and over.
Living under China dictums is preferable to living under Prog Socialist dictums. The Internal Security Force are their enforcers. It is easy to understand when another nation is your Daddy.
 
I haven’t seen any conditions just a vague reference to respecting sovereignty
You haven't seen Russia's counter proposal yet but it's sure to include keeping the Crimea and most likely a lot of the other territory Russia has gained.

One side of the propaganda war is saying that the Ukraine is winning and the other side is saying that the Ukraine is going to cease to exist as a country.
 
You haven't seen Russia's counter proposal yet but it's sure to include keeping the Crimea and most likely a lot of the other territory Russia has gained.

One side of the propaganda war is saying that the Ukraine is winning and the other side is saying that the Ukraine is going to cease to exist as a country.

No matter what happens, Ukraine has lost.
 
You haven't seen Russia's counter proposal yet but it's sure to include keeping the Crimea and most likely a lot of the other territory Russia has gained.

One side of the propaganda war is saying that the Ukraine is winning and the other side is saying that the Ukraine is going to cease to exist as a country.

That is why there will be no negotiated peace
Russia is demanding everything and offering Ukraine nothing in return
 

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