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U. of Chi. Professor and "Scientist" Wants to Block Sunlight to Cool Earth
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Ocean currents establish climate.
The ocean is the largest collector of solar energy.
The ocean stores the majority of the planet's heat.
The ocean is the largest feature of the planet.
The mass of the ocean is 300 times the mass of the atmosphere.
The ocean contains 1000 times more heat than the ocean.
The ocean heats the atmosphere.
The atmosphere does not heat the ocean.
Physical evidence shows that when ocean currents change, the climate changes.
Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for northern hemisphere glaciation.
Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the initiation of the Little Ice Age.
Physical evidence shows ocean currents are responsible for the end of the Little Ice Age.
The current warming trend began 250 years before the industrial revolution.
The geologic record is littered with examples of naturally caused warming and cooling trends.
Empirical climate evidence shows the planet cooled for millions of years with >600 ppm of CO2.
The last interglacial period was 2C warmer with 26ft higher seas and 120ppm less CO2 than today.
Fuck you dickwad shit for brains
You claim
Yes. But this doesn't help you.
No. The planet stores the majority of the planet's heat. The ocean stores more than the atmosphere but less than the planet
No. The planet is the largest feature of the planet.
Actually, 272 times. But this doesn't help you.
The specific heat capacity of air is 1.005 J/gC. The specific heat capacity of water is 3.850 J/gC. If the ocean and the atmosphere were the same temperature, the oceans would have (3.850 x 272) / (1.005 x 1 ) = 1,041.8 times as many Joules of thermal energy as the atmosphere. However, the average temperature of the world's oceans, from the surface to the seafloor is 3.5C while the average temperature of the Earth's atmosphere is 15C (276.65K and 288.15K). So, the ocean contains 3,850 J/kgK x 276.65 K x 1.37e21 kg = 1.4592e27 Joules. The atmosphere contains 1,005 J/kgK x 288.15K x5.148e18 kg = 1.4908 E+24 Joules. The ocean contains 978.8 times as much thermal energy as the atmosphere.
Happy? Too bad, because that still doesn't help you.
Heat is transferred across material boundaries in three ways: radiation, conduction and convection. In all cases, heat moves in both directions across a boundary but the net result will be a transfer from hotter to colder. As noted above, the average temperature of the world's oceans is 3.5C while the average temperature of the world's atmosphere is 15C. Fortunately for you, the average temperature of the sea surface is about 20C while the average temperture of the atmosphere at the surface is on 15C. But let's look at the interface. The sea surface ranges from about 30 to just below 0C as we go from the equator to the poles. The surface air temperaturer ranges from 35C at the equator to well below 0C at the poles. The direction of heat transfer at any particular location is dependent SOLELY on the temperatures of air and water at that location. Thermal energy doesn't give two shits about the total mass, the density or the specific heat capacity of the two materials. The ONLY thing that determines the direction of net heat transfer are those temperatures.
I'm afraid it does
But ocean currents have not changed for thousands of years.
No, it does not. Glaciation of the northern hemisphere has taken place in a periodic fashion for the last 2.58 million years. Ocean currents have NEVER changed in a periodic fashion.
The cause of the Little Ice Age is not known for certain; however, climatologists contend that reduced solar output, changes in atmospheric circulation, and explosive volcanism may have played roles in bringing about and extending the phenomenon.Jul 4, 2024
Little Ice Age (LIA) | Britannica
Little Ice Age (LIA), climate interval that occurred from the early 14th century through the mid-19th century, when mountain glaciers expanded at several locations, including the European Alps, New Zealand, Alaska, and the southern Andes, and mean annual temperatures across the Northern Hemisphere
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The Little Ice Age was a period of global cooling that occurred between 1300 and 1850, when average global temperatures dropped by 1.5 to 2 degrees Celsius. The exact cause of the Little Ice Age is still debated, but scientists believe it was likely caused by a combination of factors, including:
- Volcanic eruptions
Volcanic activity can block solar radiation and release sulfur into the atmosphere, which can reflect sunlight and cool the planet for years. Large volcanic eruptions in quick succession can also trigger feedback loops that lead to more cooling. For example, expanding sea ice reflects more sunlight into space than the land or water it replaces, which can lead to more sea ice, and so on. - Solar activity
A less active sun can contribute to cooling, and some scientists believe that extended solar minimums may have played a role. - Ocean circulation
Natural fluctuations in ocean circulation, such as an unusually strong northward transfer of warm water in the late 1300s, may have also contributed. - Other factors
Other factors that may have contributed include changes in land use by humans and the build-up of solar-reflecting ice.
It appears that in central Europe soot prematurely stopped the Little Ice Age.” Only after around 1970, when air quality began to improve, did accelerated climate warming become the dominant driver of glacier retreat in the Alps, Kaser says.Sep 3, 2013
How Soot Killed the Little Ice Age
The Industrial Revolution kicked off Alpine glacier retreat 50 years before the latest global warming began
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The Little Ice Age (LIA) ended around the middle of the 19th century and there are multiple theories about what caused it to end, including:
- Solar output
The end of the LIA coincided with a recovery in solar output. However, NASA says that the warming seen in recent decades is too rapid to be linked to changes in Earth's orbit around the sun, and too large to be caused by solar activity. - Greenhouse gas emissions
The end of the LIA also coincided with increasing greenhouse gas emissions due to industrialization. A study in Nature suggests that soot from factory smokestacks and steam locomotives in Europe may have caused glaciers in the Alps to retreat before the climate warming began. - Volcanic eruptions
Volcanic eruptions during the LIA released aerosols into the atmosphere that diffused sunlight, causing global dimming and cooling. However, volcanic activity has had a cooling effect over the past century, so it can't explain the global warming that's occurred since then. - Arctic sea ice
Internal climate variability, driven by drastic changes to Arctic sea ice, may have triggered the LIA. For example, in the late 1300s, the AMOC strengthened, causing more warm water than usual to move north and resulting in rapid Arctic ice loss. This cooled the North Atlantic waters and diluted their saltiness, which caused the AMOC to collapse and triggered substantial cooling.
Find us a peer reviewed study or article that states this.
So the fuck what? It's littered with extinct species. Are they responsible? It's littered with meterorite impacts. Is that what has caused this? It's littered with mass extinctions. Is this another mass extinction?
Says the supposed "ocean engineer" denying the ocean controlling climate. Brilliant.You claim
Yes. But this doesn't help you.
No. The planet stores the majority of the planet's heat. The ocean stores more than the atmosphere but less than the planet
No. The planet is the largest feature of the planet.
Actually, 272 times. But this doesn't help you.
The specific heat capacity of air is 1.005 J/gC. The specific heat capacity of water is 3.850 J/gC. If the ocean and the atmosphere were the same temperature, the oceans would have (3.850 x 272) / (1.005 x 1 ) = 1,041.8 times as many Joules of thermal energy as the atmosphere. However, the average temperature of the world's oceans, from the surface to the seafloor is 3.5C while the average temperature of the Earth's atmosphere is 15C (276.65K and 288.15K). So, the ocean contains 3,850 J/kgK x 276.65 K x 1.37e21 kg = 1.4592e27 Joules. The atmosphere contains 1,005 J/kgK x 288.15K x5.148e18 kg = 1.4908 E+24 Joules. The ocean contains 978.8 times as much thermal energy as the atmosphere.
Happy? Too bad, because that still doesn't help you.
Heat is transferred across material boundaries in three ways: radiation, conduction and convection. In all cases, heat moves in both directions across a boundary but the net result will be a transfer from hotter to colder. As noted above, the average temperature of the world's oceans is 3.5C while the average temperature of the world's atmosphere is 15C. Fortunately for you, the average temperature of the sea surface is about 20C while the average temperture of the atmosphere at the surface is on 15C. But let's look at the interface. The sea surface ranges from about 30 to just below 0C as we go from the equator to the poles. The surface air temperaturer ranges from 35C at the equator to well below 0C at the poles. The direction of heat transfer at any particular location is dependent SOLELY on the temperatures of air and water at that location. Thermal energy doesn't give two shits about the total mass, the density or the specific heat capacity of the two materials. The ONLY thing that determines the direction of net heat transfer are those temperatures.
I'm afraid it does
But ocean currents have not changed for thousands of years.
No, it does not. Glaciation of the northern hemisphere has taken place in a periodic fashion for the last 2.58 million years. Ocean currents have NEVER changed in a periodic fashion.
The cause of the Little Ice Age is not known for certain; however, climatologists contend that reduced solar output, changes in atmospheric circulation, and explosive volcanism may have played roles in bringing about and extending the phenomenon.Jul 4, 2024
Little Ice Age (LIA) | Britannica
Little Ice Age (LIA), climate interval that occurred from the early 14th century through the mid-19th century, when mountain glaciers expanded at several locations, including the European Alps, New Zealand, Alaska, and the southern Andes, and mean annual temperatures across the Northern Hemisphere
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The Little Ice Age was a period of global cooling that occurred between 1300 and 1850, when average global temperatures dropped by 1.5 to 2 degrees Celsius. The exact cause of the Little Ice Age is still debated, but scientists believe it was likely caused by a combination of factors, including:
- Volcanic eruptions
Volcanic activity can block solar radiation and release sulfur into the atmosphere, which can reflect sunlight and cool the planet for years. Large volcanic eruptions in quick succession can also trigger feedback loops that lead to more cooling. For example, expanding sea ice reflects more sunlight into space than the land or water it replaces, which can lead to more sea ice, and so on.- Solar activity
A less active sun can contribute to cooling, and some scientists believe that extended solar minimums may have played a role.- Ocean circulation
Natural fluctuations in ocean circulation, such as an unusually strong northward transfer of warm water in the late 1300s, may have also contributed.- Other factors
Other factors that may have contributed include changes in land use by humans and the build-up of solar-reflecting ice.
It appears that in central Europe soot prematurely stopped the Little Ice Age.” Only after around 1970, when air quality began to improve, did accelerated climate warming become the dominant driver of glacier retreat in the Alps, Kaser says.Sep 3, 2013
How Soot Killed the Little Ice Age
The Industrial Revolution kicked off Alpine glacier retreat 50 years before the latest global warming beganwww.scientificamerican.com
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Learn more…Opens in new tab
The Little Ice Age (LIA) ended around the middle of the 19th century and there are multiple theories about what caused it to end, including:
- Solar output
The end of the LIA coincided with a recovery in solar output. However, NASA says that the warming seen in recent decades is too rapid to be linked to changes in Earth's orbit around the sun, and too large to be caused by solar activity.- Greenhouse gas emissions
The end of the LIA also coincided with increasing greenhouse gas emissions due to industrialization. A study in Nature suggests that soot from factory smokestacks and steam locomotives in Europe may have caused glaciers in the Alps to retreat before the climate warming began.- Volcanic eruptions
Volcanic eruptions during the LIA released aerosols into the atmosphere that diffused sunlight, causing global dimming and cooling. However, volcanic activity has had a cooling effect over the past century, so it can't explain the global warming that's occurred since then.- Arctic sea ice
Internal climate variability, driven by drastic changes to Arctic sea ice, may have triggered the LIA. For example, in the late 1300s, the AMOC strengthened, causing more warm water than usual to move north and resulting in rapid Arctic ice loss. This cooled the North Atlantic waters and diluted their saltiness, which caused the AMOC to collapse and triggered substantial cooling.
Find us a peer reviewed study or article that states this.
So the fuck what? It's littered with extinct species. Are they responsible? It's littered with meterorite impacts. Is that what has caused this? It's littered with mass extinctions. Is this another mass extinction?
I think you are a fraud.
NOAA and NASA claims so. Do you have a link that explicitly says the ocean doesn't determine climate?
How can you argue the largest collector of solar energy on the planet doesn't drive the climate of the planet after admitting the ocean is the largest collector of solar energy on the planet?
OMG, that's the dumbest thing you have said yet. Why are you arguing with NOAA and NASA that the majority of earth's heat is stored in the ocean?
Do you have a link that states the planet stores the majority of the planet's heat?
I take back what I said about the dumbest thing you have ever said was the planet stores the majority of the planet's heat because you saying the planet is the planet's largest feature is the new dumbest thing you have ever said.
Do you have a link that says the planet is the planet's largest feature? That's Apu level dumb, right there.
A reasonable estimate for the total internal heat of the Earth is QE∼2×1031JQE∼2×1031J (see below).
The value most often found online, however, is "12.6×1024MJ12.6×1024MJ" (=1.26×1031J1.26×1031J). This can be traced back to the estimate of 3×1027kgcal3×1027kgcal given in Chapter 4 of Armstead's 1983 text on Geothermal Energy. (Given that the precision of the source is only 1 significant figure ("3"), the value would be better reported as ∼1.3×1031J∼1.3×1031J or ∼1×1031J∼1×1031J.)
Amount of thermal energy in the Earth?
Does anyone know the amount of thermal energy that the Earth's mantle and core possess? I don't mean the maximum limit of electrical power we could generate with geothermal plants, but rather: if you
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You think something that is 1/300th the mass and contains 1/1000th the heat warms something that has 300 times the mass and 1000 times the heat?
That's what I said, dummy.
What's the temperature difference in the polar regions, dummy? Because that's where the ocean is heating the atmosphere. THE CRITICAL REGION FOR CLIMATE CHANGES. Maybe look at a thermohaline circulation map for heat releases to the atmosphere.
That's because you are a political subversive who has no science background whatsoever.
It doesn't help you. It confirms what I have been saying.
The path, yes. The strength, no. When the path changes abrupt climate changes occurs. When the strength changes warming and cooling trends occur.
McManus, J., Francois, R., Gherardi, JM. et al. 2004 found the AMOC was responsible for abrupt climate changes.
"The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation is widely believed to affect climate. Changes in ocean circulation have been inferred from records of the deep water chemical composition derived from sedimentary nutrient proxies1, but their impact on climate is difficult to assess because such reconstructions provide insufficient constraints on the rate of overturning2. Here we report measurements of 231Pa/230Th, a kinematic proxy for the meridional overturning circulation, in a sediment core from the subtropical North Atlantic Ocean. We find that the meridional overturning was nearly, or completely, eliminated during the coldest deglacial interval in the North Atlantic region, beginning with the catastrophic iceberg discharge Heinrich event H1, 17,500 yr ago, and declined sharply but briefly into the Younger Dryas cold event, about 12,700 yr ago. Following these cold events, the 231Pa/230Th record indicates that rapid accelerations of the meridional overturning circulation were concurrent with the two strongest regional warming events during deglaciation. These results confirm the significance of variations in the rate of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation for abrupt climate changes."
Collapse and rapid resumption of Atlantic meridional circulation linked to deglacial climate changes - Nature
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