Two Ways to Help Stop Mass Shootings

[Vagabond63]

Yep, I always ask them which gun control law physically prevents these gun owners from shooting up schools……they never answer

Oh, we do, you just ignore the responses.

 

[2aguy]

Oh, we do, you just ignore the responses.

Yes...because you can't answer that question.......

Guns are flooding into Britain, according to the British police......you had 2 recent mass public shootings, one in Cumbria, one in Plymouth, and a gang shooting in Moss Side......where they sprayed a crowd, killing 2....

Now...again....which British gun control laws kept any of those shooters from walking into a school, and murdering students and teachers?

 

[Vagabond63]

I don't see how any of their laws actually do anything to stop a mass shooter.

No law in existance has never been broken, it is foolish to argue that a law can stop a crime being committed. Our gun laws and procedures are designed to weed out anyone who might pose a risk to public safety by having a firearm. No system is perfect, but ours has resulted in maybe one mass shooting every decade, whereas in the USA, seems to be one every week at the moment.

 

[Vagabond63]

Yes...because you can't answer that question.......

Guns are flooding into Britain, according to the British police......you had 2 recent mass public shootings, one in Cumbria, one in Plymouth, and a gang shooting in Moss Side......where they sprayed a crowd, killing 2....

Now...again....which British gun control laws kept any of those shooters from walking into a school, and murdering students and teachers?

see post #863. Or trawl back through your old threads and find similar answers time after time after time. I suppose one might eventually penetrate your gun crazed rape fantasy riddled brain.

 

[Vagabond63]

/——/ Vaga, move to Norway so you feel safe.

Don't have to, I have homes in both the UK and Spain, they're safe enough for me, thanks.

 

[2aguy]

No law in existance has never been broken, it is foolish to argue that a law can stop a crime being committed. Our gun laws and procedures are designed to weed out anyone who might pose a risk to public safety by having a firearm. No system is perfect, but ours has resulted in maybe one mass shooting every decade, whereas in the USA, seems to be one every week at the moment.

And yet they fail over and over again...as your criminals get guns easily.....and you have had 2 mass public shootings since the ban and confiscation of guns......which is the same rate as before you confiscated guns......

Your system hasn't stopped mass public shootings....your nuts simply didn't decide to commit them....

In the U.S., with over 330 million Americans, we had 6 individuals in 2021 decide to commit them.....6....out of over 330 million Americans......

Total killed....43.

Deer kill 200 people a year in the U.S.

Lawn mowers kill 90-100 people a year.....

Ladders kill 300 people a year....

Meanwhile, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent criminals...according to the Centers for Disease control....or 2.5 million according to the best research on the subject by Gary Kleck.....

Now......

.what if we averaged the number of gun murders over the entire history of the United States.... 246 years.

This won't include all gun deaths, since even here, the majority are done by the government against our citizens....see the democrat party Civil War.......

So....I took 10,000 as an average number of gun murders.....some years more, some years less....later we can even bump that number up...but (spoiler), it won't change the underlying truth...

Soooo...10,000 gun murders a year X 246..... punch that in to the calculator ( who has time for doing it by hand....)

We get?

2,460,000 gun murders......I know, I know.....gun crime in the early colonies didn't reach 10,000 murders a year....you only get that if you look at the future democrat party members and what they would do to their slaves....


Sooo...


246 years....and we average out to 2,460,000 gun murders........



What about old Europe.....



in the 6 years between 1939-1945 when the socialists in German and their conquered countries began to murder their citizens.....what was the grand total of their murder?



15 million....innocent men, women and children.......



I don't know about you, but I went to public school, but I can still see how those numbers are falling out....and..........the United States gun murder isn't the biggest problem when it comes to murder.....


Now.....I know...this is going to cause major butt hurt among the left wing, anti-gun fanatics out there...they will cry out about the most recent gun murder numbers after 5 years of the democrat party attacking the police...forcing them to not do their jobs....and the democrat party refusing to prosecute gun criminals....and then releasing gun criminals from jail and prison like they were on sale.....so we have a higher rate of gun murder because of the democrats and their policies...

So heck....let's indulge them like the spoiled little infants that they are....

Lets bump up the average number of gun murders to 20,000.....which is far more than the actual average, but I am a generous kinda guy....



20,000 X 246 years = 4,920,000



over 246 years....



Again...matching that to Europe....



1939-1945..... 6 years.....



15 million murdered...........



The gun murders in the U.S...the vast majority of the victims are criminals...murdered by other criminals as they engage in crime........and their unfortunate friends and family caught in that crossfire....



In Europe?



The vast majority of the murdered were innocent men, women and children.....not collateral from the socialist war....simply murdered by their governments.....



Nope...........not freaking giving up our guns cause anti-gun fanatics tell us to trust the government.....



Expect to see these calculations in future discussions.....



As to the 15,000,000 million number...the source...

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NAZI GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER



German socialists


By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1

And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

http://[URL='http://hawaii.edu/powe...]http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM

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[2aguy]

see post #863. Or trawl back through your old threads and find similar answers time after time after time. I suppose one might eventually penetrate your gun crazed rape fantasy riddled brain.

And you still refuse to point out which British gun laws kept the two mass public shooters in Britain from going into a public school to murder students.....

I ask an easy couple of questions about self defense...and you call it rape fantasies because you can't defend your position on guns and self defense...

To repeat them....

A woman is grabbed by a violent serial rapist at a bus stop, a train platform or in her apartment...he plans on beating, raping and murdering her. She has a gun, and can stop the rape with the gun......

Do you want her to use that gun to stop the rape?

A woman stops an attack with a gun, a brutal rape, torture and murder...in a public space....if you had the ability to go back in time, and prevent her from having that gun...would you?

A woman wants a gun to protect herself from rape, robbery and murder...the British police refuse to give her a permit because these are not "good reasons," to own a gun.

A wealthy member of the House of Lords in Britain wants to go bird Hunting with his rich buddies on one of his many, private estates.....he gets a gun permit because this is a "good reason," to own a gun...

Does this make sense to you?

 

[Vagabond63]

Ah, the inevitable deluge of irrelevant BS

Your system hasn't stopped mass public shootings....your nuts simply didn't decide to commit them....

Wow. I'll say it again as it's clearly not penetrating, no law in existance has never been broken, it is foolish to argue that a law can stop a crime being committed. Our gun laws and procedures are designed to weed out anyone who might pose a risk to public safety by having a firearm. No system is perfect, but ours has resulted in maybe one mass shooting every decade, whereas in the USA, seems to be one every week at the moment.

Oh, how many school shootings have you had since 1945? We've had 1, and as a result of the massive public outcry, the laws were enacted to ban certain firearms. How many school shootings have we had since 1996? 0, How many school shootings has America had in that time frame?

 

[2aguy]

Ah, the inevitable deluge of irrelevant BS

Wow. I'll say it again as it's clearly not penetrating, no law in existance has never been broken, it is foolish to argue that a law can stop a crime being committed. Our gun laws and procedures are designed to weed out anyone who might pose a risk to public safety by having a firearm. No system is perfect, but ours has resulted in maybe one mass shooting every decade, whereas in the USA, seems to be one every week at the moment.

Oh, how many school shootings have you had since 1945? We've had 1, and as a result of the massive public outcry, the laws were enacted to ban certain firearms. How many school shootings have we had since 1996? 0, How many school shootings has America had in that time frame?

We had a total of 6 mass public shootings in 2021.....6 individuals in a country of over 330 million people...

School shootings are just as rare......



And in bringing up your school shooting...again.....which gun control law stopped the Cumbria shooter or the Plymouth shooter, or the guys who shot up the Pub in Moss Side, in your country from going into a school and murdering children and teachers?

You can't sit there and claim that your gun laws after that school shooting stopped future school shootings when you just had 2 mass public shootings......

Keep in mind.....Jewish schools in Britain have heavily armed private security to protect them.....I wonder why that is?

Meanwhile, we know how to keep our schools safe...but because anti-gun fanatics in this country get the most traction from dead children, they fight to keep us from protecting our schools the way Jewish schools are protected in Britain.....

 

[2aguy]

Ah, the inevitable deluge of irrelevant BS

Wow. I'll say it again as it's clearly not penetrating, no law in existance has never been broken, it is foolish to argue that a law can stop a crime being committed. Our gun laws and procedures are designed to weed out anyone who might pose a risk to public safety by having a firearm. No system is perfect, but ours has resulted in maybe one mass shooting every decade, whereas in the USA, seems to be one every week at the moment.

Oh, how many school shootings have you had since 1945? We've had 1, and as a result of the massive public outcry, the laws were enacted to ban certain firearms. How many school shootings have we had since 1996? 0, How many school shootings has America had in that time frame?

And you failed to answer these questions...

A woman is grabbed by a violent serial rapist at a bus stop, a train platform or in her apartment...he plans on beating, raping and murdering her. She has a gun, and can stop the rape with the gun......

Do you want her to use that gun to stop the rape?

A woman stops an attack with a gun, a brutal rape, torture and murder...in a public space....if you had the ability to go back in time, and prevent her from having that gun...would you?

A woman wants a gun to protect herself from rape, robbery and murder...the British police refuse to give her a permit because these are not "good reasons," to own a gun.

A wealthy member of the House of Lords in Britain wants to go bird Hunting with his rich buddies on one of his many, private estates.....he gets a gun permit because this is a "good reason," to own a gun...

Does this make sense to you?

 

[Open Bolt]

No system is perfect, but ours has resulted in maybe one mass shooting every decade,

You have the same number of massacres per decade that you had before you abolished freedom.

So abolishing your freedom did not change anything. You gave up your freedom for no reason at all.

Ah, the inevitable deluge of irrelevant BS

I've never seen anyone point out anything untrue in his posts.

I've also not noticed anything untrue in his posts myself.

How are his points supposed to be irrelevant? They seem on-topic to me.

as a result of the massive public outcry, the laws were enacted to ban certain firearms.

What a horrible and tragic loss of freedom.

You guys need to change and become more like we are here in America.

 

[Vagabond63]

School shootings are just as rare....

So, how many school shootings have you had since 1945?

 

[Blues Man]

Really? Only if you wander off to a war zone in the Middle East, then come back and buy one, might set off the odd alarm bell in MI5, I suppose.

Ben John: Extremist ordered to read books is jailed

Ben John, who was told to read Austen and Shakespeare, has his original suspended sentence quashed.

www.bbc.com

The 22-year-old was convicted of having a copy of The Anarchist Cookbook on a computer hard drive.

 

[Open Bolt]

So, how many school shootings have you had since 1945?

13 I think.

I'm curious what was funny about my comment:
"There are plenty of Europeans who insist on having rights too. The band of countries from Finland through Switzerland for example."

 

[2aguy]

So, how many school shootings have you had since 1945?

Actual mass public shootings…….I would have to check…

 

[2aguy]

13 I think.

I'm curious what was funny about my comment:
"There are plenty of Europeans who insist on having rights too. The band of countries from Finland through Switzerland for example."

Yeah, about that……now, he will link to the anti-gun site that lists shootings that happen on school property, after hours, on Saturday night at midnight when gangs are at the basketball hoops, suicides that happen after hours in the school parking lot, and shootings that happen across the street between drug dealers…

 

[2aguy]

So, how many school shootings have you had since 1945?

Open Bolt has the number…..13.

And you didn’t answer my questions…

 

[Vagabond63]

And you failed to answer these questions...

What those non-question questions? Oh, I've answered them time, after time, after time, after time, after time, after time, you just ignore my answers.

 

[Vagabond63]

13 I think.

Well Wikipedia puts the number at 33, but that's almost irrrelevant to my point. No law in existance has never been broken, it is foolish to argue that a law can stop a crime being committed.

List of mass shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

Our gun laws and procedures are designed to weed out anyone who might pose a risk to public safety by having a firearm. No system is perfect, but ours has resulted in maybe one mass shooting every decade, whereas in the USA, seems to be one every week at the moment.

Oh, how many school shootings have you had since 1945? We've had 1, and as a result of the massive public outcry, the laws were enacted to ban certain firearms. How many school shootings have we had since 1996? 0.

Clearly our laws and procedures have managed to successfully prevent school shootings. Controlling who has access to firearms works, end of story.

 

[Vagabond63]

Ben John: Extremist ordered to read books is jailed

Ben John, who was told to read Austen and Shakespeare, has his original suspended sentence quashed.

www.bbc.com

The 22-year-old was convicted of having a copy of The Anarchist Cookbook on a computer hard drive.

Ah, a far Right-wing white supremacist anti-semitic extremist. OK, seems you have so many of those in America, they seem normal to you. In my opinion the original judge was perhaps a bit too Left-wing in his leniency.