Two Questions re: Ukraine

[JustAGuy1]

Two political questions for one political party:

1. Republicans, who started the war in Ukraine?

2. Republicans, since Trump is so concerned about ending the war and saving lives, why isn't all his energy being spent doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine?

No need for personal attacks or spin or changing the subject. Those are two clear, straightforward, and perfectly reasonable questions.

Donald Trump 'setting Zelensky up to fail' after Vladimir Putin's 'manipulation'

Who/What started the War? Not a trick question.

 

[Mac1958]

Who/What started the War? Not a trick question.

One (1) person on the planet made the final decision to invade to start the war: Putin.

One (1) person on the planet could have said, "no, we're not doing that": Putin.

No amount of spin, no conspiracy theory, no excuse, no partisan fantasy, can change that.

 

[Correll]

Even someone like you realizes that the pro war asshole in this equation is Benedict Donald's hero, Putin.

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Europe will have to stand up.

The crux of the matter that the pro-war refuse to address, is that ukraine does not have the manpower to force the russians from their territory.

Your goal is not achievable, not with certainty, or in any reasonable time frame, or at any reasonable cost in ukrainian lives.


Sure, if PUTIN's heart magically grew three times it's current size and he realized that war was bad, sure that would solve it. But barring that, or something like it,


this war is just a bloody stalemate.

 

[Mac1958]

Even someone like you realizes that the pro war asshole in this equation is Benedict Donald's hero, Putin.

I started a thread on Trump wanting to annex Canada & Greenland against their wishes, and his flock is defending it. Which has provided a pretty interesting parallel for their unwillingness to lay the blame on Putin for this. Taking over an unwilling sovereign country clearly isn't a problem for them. Wow. Okay, now we know.

This is ultimately Z's decision, and he is working with his REAL friends and allies in Europe. They understand the macro threat, even if Trump's flock does not. They want this to end, I sure do, and I'll trust them to choose the right path. Putin & Russia are teetering right now, and Europe thinks they can bleed him out. Fine.

 

[Correll]

First reply is a personal attack, which basically invalidates anything you have to say moving forward, which is an irony since you're claiming I'm not engaging seriously. Thank you. My point has been proven about maga.

And now you continue to not engage. THANKS FOR NOTHING.

 

[Mac1958]

Trumpers are in a tizzy over Putin's repeatedly bamboozling the feeb.

And they don't give two tiny little shits about the people of Ukraine. They were siding with Putin and calling Ukrainians "Nazis" not long ago. Now they're pretending to be empathetic and altruistic while Trump prolongs the war stalling for Putin.

Fortunately Zelensky and his REAL friends in Europe can see that. They'll decide how to best and most quickly end this. For them, Trump is a necessary nuisance.

 

[Correll]

And they don't give two tiny little shits about the people of Ukraine. They were siding with Putin and calling Ukrainians "Nazis" not long ago. Now they're pretending to be empathetic and altruistic while Trump prolongs the war stalling for Putin.

Fortunately Zelensky and his REAL friends in Europe can see that. They'll decide how to best and most quickly end this. For them, Trump is a necessary nuisance.

It is telling that you are confused by something as simple as different people having different views.


Yes, some people were very harsh and anti-Ukrainian, calling them nazis.

Not sure how widespread that view is, I certainly do not share it and never met anyone in real life that does either.


MEanwhle TRUMP's stated motvie for wanting peace is to have people stop dying, both Ukrainians and Russians.


I certainly DO share that motive and have ran into many people in real lief that share THAT motive.


Somthing about this confuses you. You see to think that... for some reason that the people that said UKRAINIAN NAZIS, are the same as the people that say STOP UKRAINIANS FROM DYING.


I think you are projecting liberal herd thinking, onto other people. People who don't do that.

 

[schmidlap]

And they don't give two tiny little shits about the people of Ukraine. They were siding with Putin and calling Ukrainians "Nazis" not long ago. Now they're pretending to be empathetic and altruistic while Trump prolongs the war stalling for Putin.

Fortunately Zelensky and his REAL friends in Europe can see that. They'll decide how to best and most quickly end this. For them, Trump is a necessary nuisance.

Trump is insipid to all but his cult, and supporters of democracy have come to realize that.

 

[Mac1958]

Trump is insipid to all but his cult, and supporters of democracy have come to realize that.

Unfortunately for them, they still have to play his game, pat him on the head, and tell him what a good boy he is. That has to be a damn nightmare for them, although it's not in the same league with the way his Cabinet has to do it.

But yeah, but watching overseas commentary regularly, it's clear they know exactly what he is now.

 

[Correll]

Trump is insipid to all but his cult, and supporters of democracy have come to realize that.

MAGA is going to win the mid terms.

And unless Trump's policies fail massively, VANCE is likely to win in 28.


We are going to see generations growing up, where MAGA is the new norm.


Actually, according to voters registration trends, we already ARE seeing generations growing up, seeing MAGA as teh new norm.


i was talking to a brit immigrant last night. She was telling me how her son comes home from school and all the history is all about white people being bad and he feels "hated".

She said it is not right. I agreed, and pointed out that that is why MAGA is so popular.

And it is. No one who can THINK, sanely, supports the insane shit the left is doing and has been doing.

 

[Correll]

Unfortunately for them, they still have to play his game, pat him on the head, and tell him what a good boy he is. That has to be a damn nightmare for them, although it's not in the same league with the way his Cabinet has to do it.

But yeah, but watching overseas commentary regularly, it's clear they know exactly what he is now.

if you want your questions to be taken seriously, hyou shouldn't have godwined.


Simple enough to understand. Don't put a red flag in your op.

If I open a discussion with an accusation that my opposite is a genocidal madman, whining about lack of constructive engagement is kind of retarded.

 

[schmidlap]

Unfortunately for them, they still have to play his game, pat him on the head, and tell him what a good boy he is. That has to be a damn nightmare for them, although it's not in the same league with the way his Cabinet has to do it.

But yeah, but watching overseas commentary regularly, it's clear they know exactly what he is now.

His unqualified cabinet members and congressional toadies all recognize that patronizing and flattering him is how to succeed and avoid his tantrums. Of course, foreign leaders have learned that well.

 

[Mac1958]

His unqualified cabinet members and congressional toadies all recognize that patronizing and flattering him is how to succeed and avoid his tantrums. Of course, foreign leaders have learned that well.

I can't imagine how exasperating this is for them. It's bad enough here, but they're trying to run their freaking countries.

In fairness, to the extent that they had become too dependent on us, that's on them. But this did not have to be done overnight like this. But Trump has no understanding of anything other than being the bully, the mindless bull in the china shop.

This could have been done so differently and it could have caused less damage. It could have been done respectfully, professionally, thoughtfully. That's certainly not asking too much. But no. As usual.

 

[schmidlap]

I can't imagine how exasperating this is for them. It's bad enough here, but they're trying to run their freaking countries.

In fairness, to the extent that they had become too dependent on us, that's on them. But this did not have to be done overnight like this. But Trump has no understanding of anything other than being the bully, the mindless bull in the china shop.

This could have been done so differently and it could have caused less damage. It could have been done respectfully, professionally, thoughtfully. That's certainly not asking too much. But no. As usual.

Civil discourse is anathema to Trumpery, domestically and internationally.

Name calling and hissyfits are a poor substitute for statesmanship.

It's like watching a slow, six-year-old Don Rickles deprived of his Ritilin.

 

[Mac1958]

Civil discourse is anathema to Trumpery, domestically and internationally.

Name calling and hissyfits are a poor substitute for statesmanship.

It's like watching a slow, six-year-old Don Rickles deprived of his Ritijin.

Many of them have literally been raised on this. Limbaugh, then all his copycats, then the internet.

It's all they know, and they don't get off the porch to learn anything different.

Although, in fairness, it's somehow working for them. Not a good reflection of the country.

 

[schmidlap]

And they don't give two tiny little shits about the people of Ukraine. They were siding with Putin and calling Ukrainians "Nazis" not long ago. Now they're pretending to be empathetic and altruistic while Trump prolongs the war stalling for Putin.

Fortunately Zelensky and his REAL friends in Europe can see that. They'll decide how to best and most quickly end this. For them, Trump is a necessary nuisance.

The blowhard who boasted over a year ago that he could end the war still refuses to put pressure on the invader.

Trump casts doubt on Putin-Zelensky meeting: ‘Maybe they have to fight a little longer’​

 

[Mac1958]

The blowhard who boasted over a year ago that he could end the war still refuses to put pressure on the invader.

Trump casts doubt on Putin-Zelensky meeting: ‘Maybe they have to fight a little longer’​

Trump and his Trumpskies have to gloss over his massive TACO regarding "serious consequences" if Putin didn't sit and meet. He's already let the cat out of the bag, saying he wants to be able to do business after this. With a ******* war criminal. Like cooperating Mafia families, I guess.

And he's got them believing that he cares about Ukrainian lives. So now THEY have to pretend to. Not that it matters, but I often wonder if any doubt ever creeps into their minds about him.

 

[schmidlap]

Trump and his Trumpskies have to gloss over his massive TACO regarding "serious consequences" if Putin didn't sit and meet. He's already let the cat out of the bag, saying he wants to be able to do business after this. With a ******* war criminal. Like cooperating Mafia families, I guess.

And he's got them believing that he cares about Ukrainian lives. So now THEY have to pretend to. Not that it matters, but I often wonder if any doubt ever creeps into their minds about him.

The mindless, knee-jerk reaction to the degenerate's most egregious, unprincipled discharges is one of denial and diversion.

A defiant, unprovoked invader of a sovereign European nation (along with his North Korean allies) gets the red carpet treatment in America? Saturday Night Live could not concoct more farcical headlines:

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[Correll]

The blowhard who boasted over a year ago that he could end the war still refuses to put pressure on the invader.

Trump casts doubt on Putin-Zelensky meeting: ‘Maybe they have to fight a little longer’​

Russia has and is continuing to be bled white. They are dying by the hundreds of thousands.


WTF are you talking...Oh, right, you are just talking shit. Sorry that I treated you like a person for a second.

 

[Correll]

Civil discourse is anathema to Trumpery, domestically and internationally.

Name calling and hissyfits are a poor substitute for statesmanship.

It's like watching a slow, six-year-old Don Rickles deprived of his Ritilin.

The lack of self awareness is 100%.

In a post crying about the lack of "civil discourse", you mock and ridicule your enemies, I count, six insults, in three sentences.


YOu are a ******* dumbass. Completely clueless and an asshole about it.