Two Questions re: Ukraine

[Correll]

Your immature petulance is noted, but is of little consequence if one is not a head-of-state.

Your lame ass excuse for your nonsense is you being retarded.

 

[Correll]

Are you dumb or something?

Ukraine was getting weapons from US for free under Biden admin and would be getting even more today if it wasn't for Trump coming into office.

Thats your idea of Trump doing something for Ukraine? Wow what a guy.

YOu said no leverage and now you admit that he is controlling a flow of weapons that is bleeding russia to death.


You are retarded and you keep saying such retarded shit, that only a complete retard would say and not be embarassed.

 

[Foolardi]

Two political questions for one political party:

1. Republicans, who started the war in Ukraine?

2. Republicans, since Trump is so concerned about ending the war and saving lives, why isn't all his energy being spent doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine?

No need for personal attacks or spin or changing the subject. Those are two clear, straightforward, and perfectly reasonable questions.

Donald Trump 'setting Zelensky up to fail' after Vladimir Putin's 'manipulation'

I was always against Ukraine trying to compete with Russia.
It was never even close to a fair fight.Plus Ukraine was used by
Democrats under Biden to create a Cloward-Piven plan.
Thereby helping to further bankrupt the American Economy.
Precisely what todays Socialist prefer.Thereby creating an atmosphere
for those Socialist who want Government perks like Free this and
free that.Why Bernie Sanders keeps harping on about Oligarchs.
Sanders the First senator to maintain he's a Socialist.
10 % of families with working fathers are virtually Millionaires.
Due to 401K investments.

 

[Foolardi]

No idea at all.

Enough of an idea like Bernie Sanders to run around and spout
off bullcrap.Sanders is a fraud.Plus he's an uppity snob.
I remember back around 2015 when Alex Jones was in an airport
waiting for a flight and he spotted Sanders walking real fast with
a person { maybe a bodyguard }. Jones caught up to Sanders and had
a camera on him as always.Sanders refused to stop and just Ignored
Jones.No matter how Jones tried to act civil and just ask Sanders a
few questions.Sanders just Ignored Jones as if not existing.
That's who Bernie Sanders is.A Chickenshit Unamerican snob.
Explains why he got married in Russia.

 

[AntonToo]

YOu said no leverage

What leverage? Every threat Trump made Putin ignored and Trump did nothing.

 

[AntonToo]

CrazyExcept the reality is that while the diplo shit talk is flowing back and forth, the guns are flowing and the russians are dying.

So, this talk of "kowtowing" is just your shit talk.

Gracious Trump deserves praise because he didn’t cut Ukraine off completely.

 

[krichton]

If you truly believe that, then you need some reprogramming.

Trump was holding a picture of him and putin today in Alaska and offhandedly said he was going to sign it for him. Trump is a sychophant to a war criminal and an enemy of the United States. Yeah, I'm not the one that needs reprogramming.

 

[Correll]

What leverage? Every threat Trump made Putin ignored and Trump did nothing.

Trump, like Biden before him is bleeding russia white.

you are shit talking.


You are a shit talker. The shit you say is shit, and when called on it, you play retard.


That is all you have. That is all ALL of you pro-war lefties have.

 

[Correll]

Gracious Trump deserves praise because he didn’t cut Ukraine off completely.

Let's keep focus. You made a claim that Trump had no leverage.

Killing russians by the thousands is leverage. Holding their economy hostage, is levage.

your claim was clearly retarded shit talk.


YOu were just lying, I called you on it, and now you are pretending to be so retarded that you don't understand that.


I said nothing about PRAISING Trump for this. This is not going the way that TRump or mage wanted it to go. We were hoping that people would be more reasonable and be open to a negotiated peace.


Instead, we are stuck with Biden's policy of supporting one side in a war with no clear path to victory, while people are dying in large numbers.



That is the reality. This shit talk you are spewing about Trump being on Putin's side, is retarded shit talk and you are a retarded shit talker.

 

[j-mac]

Trump was holding a picture of him and putin today in Alaska and offhandedly said he was going to sign it for him. Trump is a sychophant to a war criminal and an enemy of the United States. Yeah, I'm not the one that needs reprogramming.

Man, you leftists are full of it.

 

[AntonToo]

Let's keep focus. You made a claim that Trump had no leverage.

Killing russians by the thousands is leverage. Holding their economy hostage, is levage.

your claim was clearly retarded shit talk.


YOu were just lying, I called you on it, and now you are pretending to be so retarded that you don't understand that.


I said nothing about PRAISING Trump for this. This is not going the way that TRump or mage wanted it to go. We were hoping that people would be more reasonable and be open to a negotiated peace.


Instead, we are stuck with Biden's policy of supporting one side in a war with no clear path to victory, while people are dying in large numbers.



That is the reality. This shit talk you are spewing about Trump being on Putin's side, is retarded shit talk and you are a retarded shit talker.

What’s the point of posting all that to just repeat yourself?

Russians are dying because Putin thinks he can get a win in Ukraine and Trump is feeding Kremlin that hope instead of giving Ukraine steadfast support and making clear that Russia is more doomed with every passing day they continue their dead end war.

Ukraine would be in better position, Russia would be in worse and we would be closer to peace deal if useful idiot Trump wasn’t in office. Thats the bottom line.

 

[Correll]

What’s the point of posting all that to just repeat yourself?

Because you insist on lying about what is going on, like saying shit about Trump not having leverage when you know that is false.


So, I have to keep repeating what hte reality of the situation is.

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[AntonToo]

Because you insist on lying about what is going on, like saying shit about Trump not having leverage when you know that is false.

I'm saying Trump has done nothing but hurt Ukraine, help Russia compared to Biden administration's steadfast (if meek) support for Ukraine.

That no lie, thats just basic facts of the matter to date.

You are talking about Trump having or not having leverage is IRRELAVANT because all the leverage in the world does not matter if Trump doesn't want to use it.

Trump keep making threats but never actually does anything. After 10th "Putin has two weeks" it becomes laughable.

 

[GLASNOST]

I'm saying Trump has done nothing but hurt Ukraine,

Unfortunately that's not true.

 

[Correll]

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You are talking about Trump having or not having leverage is IRRELAVANT because all the leverage in the world does not matter if Trump doesn't want to use it.
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Except this portion of the discussion, was YOU talking about Trump not having leverage.

Now you are admitting that was you talking shit.


Note how at no point do you admit that you were talking shit, or concede teh point,

you just move to next line of attack, ie that he is not USING his leverage.


Which is a complete seperate argument.


The way that you ignore the point of the discussion, where your point was completely refuted,


is you being a prick and a bad faith debator.


It undermines, nay, completely negates teh very purpose of this site, to have serious and constructivce discussions on real issues.



You are not only an asshole, but you are actively working to PREVENT discussion, on a discussion site.


Did I mention how you are an asshole? Because I really don't want anyone to miss that point.

 

[Hafar1014]

US Oil production grew every year that Biden was president.

World wide production cuts were instituted by OPEC+ after the worlds economies were starting to recover from the Covid bubble. In the US we have no government mandated cuts. Production was cut by companies shutting down wells and or going out of business in 2020 because the price of oil dropped so low. Remind me who was president in 2020?

Biden kept oil production below demand driving up the cost of gas and inflation. You cant talk about supply without including demand. Biden waged a war on oil and it exploded in his face.
Trump forced oil up because the Saudis were putting American frackers out of jobs. Oil dropped to 30.00 a barrel. Trump saved thousands of oil jobs.

Biden destroyed the middle class with inflation. Trump increased their wages.

 

[rightwinger]

What leverage? Every threat Trump made Putin ignored and Trump did nothing.

Trump draws lines in the sand and Putin just stomps on them

 

[DonGlock26]

Two political questions for one political party:

1. Republicans, who started the war in Ukraine?

2. Republicans, since Trump is so concerned about ending the war and saving lives, why isn't all his energy being spent doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine?

No need for personal attacks or spin or changing the subject. Those are two clear, straightforward, and perfectly reasonable questions.

Donald Trump 'setting Zelensky up to fail' after Vladimir Putin's 'manipulation'

1. Obama.

"An explosive New York Times exposé by Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz sheds light on major developments preceding the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. According to the report, the Ukrainian government entered into a wide-ranging partnership with the CIA against Russia. This cooperation, which involved the establishment of as many as 12 secret CIA “forward operating bases” along Ukraine’s border with Russia, began not with Russia’s 2022 invasion, but just over 10 years ago.

Within days of the February 2014 Euromaidan Revolution that culminated with the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych and ushered in a firmly pro-Western government, the newly appointed head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, reportedly proposed a “three-way partnership” with the CIA and MI6, the UK’s foreign intelligence service. Ukrainian security officials gradually proved their value to the U.S. by feeding the CIA intelligence on Russia, including “secret documents about the Russian Navy,” leading to the establishment of CIA bases in Ukraine to coordinate activities against Russia and various training programs for Ukrainian commandos and other elite units."

CIA in Ukraine: Why is this not seen as provocation?

An explosive new NYT report shows how Washington needlessly fed into Russia’s worst fears and precipitated the invasion, justified or not

responsiblestatecraft.org

2. The Biden admin's policy of supplying the Ukrainians with weapons has failed. Trump is trying to end the war with diplomacy.

 

[Correll]

Trump draws lines in the sand and Putin just stomps on them

Antootwo was making a stupid argument. I crushed it so he moved on to the next line of argument.

He never admitted that his previous point was refuted, he just dropped in and started a new whine.


Completely typical for modern leftards.

 

[rightwinger]

Antootwo was making a stupid argument. I crushed it so he moved on to the next line of argument.

He never admitted that his previous point was refuted, he just dropped in and started a new whine.


Completely typical for modern leftards.

Self proclaimed victories are so shallow