Two Questions re: Ukraine

[leftwinger]

The personal attacks and name-calling are always a good sign! Lots of that here! Well done!

Mac&Cheese much?

 

[konradv]

Don’t come whining to me brother…Just stay on topic and that won’t happen…

Just stay in line. Got it!

 

[Missourian]

The embargo was a threat to their ability to continue to expand the Japanese Empire and conquer other nations.

Yes. And the embargo did NOT deter Japan's anbitions... it only served to reinforced the opinion that Japan could not rely on voluntary importation, and MUST become natural resource self sufficient, even if that meant war with the United States.

 

[Dorian Mode]

My posts are on-topic.

I'm illustrating that the "start" of a war doesn't necessarily coincide with the beginning of active hostilities. The war between the US and Japan started the day our policy of embargo of natural resources to Japan became an existential threat to their country.

And the example of Cuba represents OUR history of using force, overt and covert, to deter enemies on OUR border. Right down to the inclusion of occupying a military base against the express will of another sovereign nation.

The parallels couldn't be more obvious without the inclusion of a neon sign.

We did what we believed was right to protect America. We used the martial and political levers necessary. And it's not hard to imagine in a not too distant branch of the multiverse, the US invading, occupying and annexing Cuba.

When viewed though that lens, Russia's action are more understandable. If our positions were reversed, with the past as prologue, our actions would not be so different.

Mac1958

But the left is obviously putting an enormous amount of effort into pushing all that aside to support their narrative that on Feb.24, 2022 Putin woke up and all of a sudden had a desire to invade Ukraine to reconstitute the USSR. Ukraine was completely innocent and did not, by itself or with outside influence, provoke Russia in any way. Russia is 100% BAD, Ukraine is 100% GOOD, and NATO is 100% GOOD for helping poor Ukraine survive its victimhood. What a laughable leftist narrative. The truth is there are no good actors in this conflict. Russia is a bad actor, NATO is a bad actor, and Ukraine is a bad actor for being corrupted into going along with a new front in the longstanding proxy war between the US/UK and Russia.

 

[Missourian]

Cheap, self-serving sophistry. There is, indeed, a war in Ukraine. Started by the goddamned Russians.

Oh? Getting the Russian invaders out of Ukraine would not save lives? You are living in some kind of Alternate Reality.

I don't think Russia can or will back down. You can't unring this bell.

Russia didn't invade Ukraine on a whim. They 100% understand that this is the last hurrah for Russia if they lose.

Why do you think Europe doesn't just send in troops and end this thing?

Because they understand what I understand. Russia invaded Ukraine eyes wide open that nuclear war was an option.

If you think they're bluffing, make your case. And make sure the case is one that you'd risk playing chicken with Armageddon as the stakes.

But I don't think they're bluffing.

Russia's back is against the wall.

 

[Muhammed]

Two political questions for one political party:

1. Republicans, who started the war in Ukraine?

In 2014 the Obama/Biden administration greedily started the ongoing war in Ukraine by orchestrating a bloody coup against legitimate democratically elected government of Ukraine.

The Biden crime family and their cronies got rich off of it.

 

[Missourian]

But the left is obviously putting an enormous amount of effort into pushing all that aside to support their narrative that on Feb.24, 2022 Putin woke up and all of a sudden had a desire to invade Ukraine to reconstitute the USSR. Ukraine was completely innocent and did not, by itself or with outside influence, provoke Russia in any way. Russia is 100% BAD, Ukraine is 100% GOOD, and NATO is 100% GOOD for helping poor Ukraine survive its victimhood. What a laughable leftist narrative. The truth is there are no good actors in this conflict. Russia is a bad actor, NATO is a bad actor, and Ukraine is a bad actor for being corrupted into going along with a new front in the longstanding proxy war between the US/UK and Russia.

The guy on the TV tells them what to think. Their job is to regurgitate the talking points. Individual research and critical thinking is actively discouraged. Wear the mask, take the shot, six feet social distancing, Biden is sharp as a tack, Orange Man Bad.

 

[imawhosure]

Two political questions for one political party:

1. Republicans, who started the war in Ukraine?

2. Republicans, since Trump is so concerned about ending the war and saving lives, why isn't all his energy being spent doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine?

No need for personal attacks or spin or changing the subject. Those are two clear, straightforward, and perfectly reasonable questions.

Donald Trump 'setting Zelensky up to fail' after Vladimir Putin's 'manipulation'

OK.

"War"? Has anyone declared war? Are you talking about "the problem" that has lead to military conflict or who was the first one to employ their military?

... yes ......

What gives you the impression that "getting Putin out of Ukraine" would end the problem that has lead to the military conflict in Ukraine? Also, is it your notion that "saving lives" is defined by saving.
1). Ukrainian lives?
2). Russian lives?
3). Ukrainian lives of Russian ethnicity?
4). All of the above?

I support Trump so I suppose you are asking me as though you consider me a Republican. So OK, I'll answer your question straight up. Trump cannot force Zoolinsky to implement the terms set out by several international agreements which have Ukraine's own signature upon them. Do you think that's Trump's job? Do you think it should be his job?

Answers--------->

1. Everybody knows that Puutty-Puut started the war. Everybody also knows he felt comfortable starting the war, because he had an incompetent corpse as President of the United States!

2. Nothing has happened besides a meeting. Do you think the BIG Z is going to trade away 1/2 of his country, or the European Union is going to let him? What do any of you blowhards think----------->that Trump is going to demand Big Z and the European Union do something, and if they don't, he will go to war with them?!?!?!?!?!?!

Why do I get the feeling that IF the whole thing comes out smelling like roses, Big Z and the EU will get all the accolades. But, if the deal is questionable, Trump will get all the blame, lol. FACT IS-------->Ukraine is NOT our country! Unlike Neville did to the Czechs leading up to WWII, Trump can NOT give away what is not his/ours, which means the Big Z and the EU along with NATO, are going to have to agree, period, end of story!

Realize through your gilded LEFTIST EYELIDS, that while Trump may be the head negotiator, he can NOT put chips on the table to trade away, that BIG Z, the EU, AND NATO did NOT give him to trade in the 1st place!

 

[Dorian Mode]

I think it is worthwhile to step back and ask why today's left is so pro-war and especially anti-Russia. I bet there is a lot to discover there. What happened to cause the left to get unhinged with Russia? This hatred of Russia obviously didn't start in 2022 because the Obama admin was already working its influence in Ukraine long before. Hmmm........

 

[Mac1958]

No red carpet for Zelensky's arrival today. As compared to the red carpet applause Trump gave his hero in Alaska.

Trump's agenda is clear: He stands with the murderous former KGB agent/war criminal, the guy who has been bombing Ukrainian hospitals, businesses and apartments, and against our former friends and former allies in Europe.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... Everybody knows that Puutty-Puut started the war!

Everybody knows except the people who know. The only thing you know is from comic books.

 

[Missourian]

No red carpet for Zelensky's arrival today. As compared to the red carpet applause Trump gave his hero in Alaska.

Trump's agenda is clear: He stands with the murderous former KGB agent/war criminal, the guy who has been bombing Ukrainian hospitals and apartments, and against our former friends and former allies in Europe.

Good grief.

Are you sure a white carpet wasn't rolled out for Zelensky's landing at Joint-Base Andrews?

Because that's pretty standard.

 

[Dorian Mode]

No red carpet for Zelensky's arrival today. As compared to the red carpet applause Trump gave his hero in Alaska.

Trump's agenda is clear: He stands with the murderous former KGB agent/war criminal, the guy who has been bombing Ukrainian hospitals, businesses and apartments, and against our former friends and former allies in Europe.

Stage 4 TDS.

 

[GLASNOST]

I think it is worthwhile to step back and ask why today's left is so pro-war and especially anti-Russia.

Good idea.

I bet there is a lot to discover there.

I have no doubt about it.

What happened to cause the left to get unhinged with Russia? ........

I think I can answer that question. Nothing particular happened. Josef Göbbels understood it and George Orwell capitalised on it. Just like religion. Weak minds will always look for excuses for their failures and for others to dominate. It makes them feel better about themselves. I lived in Rhodesia in the mid-late 1970s. Apartheid was still the law across the border and the whites of Rhodesia felt chosen by God. I came across a crew laying asphalt one day. They were all Africans except the boss man. He was white and probably didn't have a primary school education. He treated the African like shit. Anyway .... getting back to your question ........ the underachievers are always looking for others to pretend domination and they'll believe anything if it makes them feel superior. They are ripe for guzzling bull shit propaganda. "We good - Russians bad!"

 

[Missourian]

Note to Mac1958 ... just because you didn't see it, because the biased media didn't report on it, doesn't mean it didn't happen...

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[Missourian]

Hey Mac1958 !

WTF is that???

It looks like an honor guard and...

...wait for it...

...a red carpet.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Live right now...

 

[sartre play]

MAYBE its because am old, clearly remember when we AMOST WENT TO full out WAR when Russia was trying to arm Cuba,
AGAINEST us. Then add the fact that PUTIN IS A DICTATOR. Also you could look up the Human & property damage
He has caused invading's Neighboring country's.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Good idea.

I have no doubt about it.

I think I can answer that question. Nothing particular happened. Josef Göbbels understood it and George Orwell capitalised on it. Just like religion. Weak minds will always look for excuses for their failures and for others to dominate. It makes them feel better about themselves. I lived in Rhodesia in the mid-late 1970s. Apartheid was still the law across the border and the whites of Rhodesia felt chosen by God. I came across a crew laying asphalt one day. They were all Africans except the boss man. He was white and probably didn't have a primary school education. He treated the African like shit. Anyway .... getting back to your question ........ the underachievers are always looking for others to pretend domination and they'll believe anything if it makes them feel superior. They are ripe for guzzling bull shit propaganda. "We good - Russians bad!"

Here's another possibility: I remember the old democrats who were anti-war. They were also anti-establishment and the political establishment was always pro-war. The Democraps started courting the establishment players and their money during the Clinton administration, and that included all the money that follows the neocons around. By the time of Obama the "new" democraps were pro-establishment and pro-war, being led by Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. My guess is the neocons and the key establishment players had already pivoted from the Middle East and set their sites on Russia. Clinton agreed. A little DNC propaganda to the neo-leftist minions and they switched on their hate for Russia. Could that be it?

One thing is always certain: When you want to truly understand something you ignore all the emotional BS and follow the money.

 

[luiza]

Cheap, self-serving sophistry. There is, indeed, a war in Ukraine. Started by the goddamned Russians.

Oh? Getting the Russian invaders out of Ukraine would not save lives? You are living in some kind of Alternate Reality.

1 Everybody knows that Puutty-Puut started the war.

You two have now provided excellent proof of complete Cognitive Rigidity .

Both of you have become members of the Simple Simon Club and entitled to your ID Card Stating that you are a sufferer of Mass Formation Psychosis .

Feel happy to direct us to any of your other Brain Freeze moments in order to improve your place on the Cerebral Small Vessel Disease ( CSVD ) table

 

[Independent thinker]

Two political questions for one political party:

1. Republicans, who started the war in Ukraine?

2. Republicans, since Trump is so concerned about ending the war and saving lives, why isn't all his energy being spent doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine?

No need for personal attacks or spin or changing the subject. Those are two clear, straightforward, and perfectly reasonable questions.

Donald Trump 'setting Zelensky up to fail' after Vladimir Putin's 'manipulation'

1. The Democrat show of weakness in Afghanistan encouraged Putin to invade Ukraine.

2. Why didn't Biden put all his energy into doing what it takes to get Putin out of Ukraine? Under Biden, Ukraine continued losing more and more territory and, since Obama, democrats did nothing to get Putin out of Crimea.