CDZ Two options...the European model of self defense, and the American model of Self defensse.

[2aguy]

Those who think that gun violence in the US is on the decrease have their eyes shut and their ears filled with wax.

2020 was the deadliest gun violence year in decades. So far, 2021 is worse.

The shootings have come at a relentless pace. Gun violence this year has cut through celebrations and funerals, places of work and houses of worship. It has taken lives at a grocery store and in a fast-food drive-through lane.

And most of all, it has unfolded on city streets and in family homes, away from the cameras and far from the national spotlight.

By almost every measure, 2021 has already been a terrible year for gun violence. Many fear it will get worse. Last weekend alone, more than 120 people died in shootings, according to the Gun Violence Archive, with three especially dangerous incidents in Austin, Chicago and Savannah, Ga., leaving two dead and at least 30 injured.

Through the first five months of 2021, gunfire killed more than 8,100 people in the United States, about 54 lives lost per day, according to a Washington Post analysis of data from the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit research organization. That’s 14 more deaths per day than the average toll during the same period of the previous six years.


This year, the number of casualties, along with the overall number of shootings that have killed or injured at least one person, exceeds those of the first five months of 2020, which finished as the deadliest year of gun violence in at least two decades.

Experts have attributed the increase to a variety of new and long-standing issues — including entrenched inequality, soaring gun ownership, and fraying relations between police and the communities they serve — all intensified during the coronavirus pandemic and widespread uprisings for racial justice. The violence, its causes and its solutions have sparked wide-ranging and fierce policy debates.

The Post’s analysis found an increase in shootings during summers, especially last year, echoing a trend that law enforcement officials and gun violence researchers have warned about for years. With the weather warming, school letting out and virus-related restrictions falling away, leaders are worrying about a deadlier season than usual.

The reason for the increase was the democrat party decision to go to war against the police in 2015, and the decision to release violent, repeat offenders over and over again....it has nothing to do with normal Americans owning and carrying guns....

The charts on this have shown you the truth, and yet you are fixated on guns.......

27 years leading up to 2015? Gun ownership increased and yet gun crime went down 75%....gun murder went down 49%.....for any sane human that shows that gun ownership doesn't cause increased gun crime or gun murder since as more people owned and carried guns, gun crime went down 75%, gun murder went down 49%....

2015 changed the pattern because the democrat party chose to attack the police and decided that releasing known, violent, repeat offenders with multiple felonies over and over again would be their policy...

For 27 years Americans bought guns, owned them and carried them in higher and higher numbers.....

What happened to crime as they did this?

Gun crime went down 75%...

Gun murder went down 49%

Can you explain this?

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

So why did gun crime and murder go up after the decline for 27 years?

In 2015 the democrat party declared war on local police.......it escalated to the point they burned and looted cities for 7months, murdered over 40 people wounding over 400 police officers, and burned court houses and police stations....all while telling the police not to stop the blm and antifa, democrat party terrorists, attempting to cut police funding and demonizing our police officers as killers...

The police stopped active policing and began to only respond to 911 calls.......and the criminals, the protected class of the democrat party, responded by carrying guns and shooting each other in larger numbers than we have seen since 1960s....

It’s something but I still think the Times is downplaying the obvious a bit. Here’s the chart of the monthly murder rate. What you’ll see is that the first month where the murder rate started to spike above the average in previous years was May. Why in May? Because George Floyd was killed on May 25th and by the next day the video was going viral. The final weekend of May became a weekend of violent protests which pushed the monthly numbers out of orbit. And from there the murder rate continued to go up as sometimes violent anti-police protests were taking place around the country:

Why would the death of George Floyd be connected with a wave of violence? I think the answer to that has to do with the nature of the protests, which were explicitly hostile to police. Police pulled back as protesters created autonomous zones in some cities.


It was basically the Ferguson Effect all on a national scale.

As police pulled back, criminals had less fear of consequences and also, some people felt more inclined to seek street justice rather than call the police when a disagreement arose. That’s the “increased distrust” mentioned above. The protests last year didn’t have to actually defund police departments in order to have a significant impact on the behavior of both cops and criminals.
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I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Portland had some of the most consistent and most violent protests last year and also lost a lot of officers to retirement and resignations. Portland was a worst case scenario for the connection between anti-police protests and increased violence and the numbers seem to reflect that.
FBI: Murder rose by 29% last year with the biggest spike coming a

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebuttingthe charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Continue to Drop

Crime in the 30 largest U.S. cities is estimated to have declined in 2018, with decreases in the rates of violent crime, murder, and overall crime, according to a new Brennan Center analysis of the available data.

Murder rates in particular were down by 8 percent from 2017, a significant drop. 2018 marks the second straight year that murder rates have fallen, too, after increases in 2015 and 2016.

Overall, however, U.S. crime rates have dropped dramatically since peaking in 1991.

 

[miketx]

Why no demand for the left douche traitors to provide proof of their claims?

 

[miketx]

Those who think that gun violence in the US is on the decrease have their eyes shut and their ears filled with wax.

2020 was the deadliest gun violence year in decades. So far, 2021 is worse.

The shootings have come at a relentless pace. Gun violence this year has cut through celebrations and funerals, places of work and houses of worship. It has taken lives at a grocery store and in a fast-food drive-through lane.

And most of all, it has unfolded on city streets and in family homes, away from the cameras and far from the national spotlight.

By almost every measure, 2021 has already been a terrible year for gun violence. Many fear it will get worse. Last weekend alone, more than 120 people died in shootings, according to the Gun Violence Archive, with three especially dangerous incidents in Austin, Chicago and Savannah, Ga., leaving two dead and at least 30 injured.

Through the first five months of 2021, gunfire killed more than 8,100 people in the United States, about 54 lives lost per day, according to a Washington Post analysis of data from the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit research organization. That’s 14 more deaths per day than the average toll during the same period of the previous six years.


This year, the number of casualties, along with the overall number of shootings that have killed or injured at least one person, exceeds those of the first five months of 2020, which finished as the deadliest year of gun violence in at least two decades.

Experts have attributed the increase to a variety of new and long-standing issues — including entrenched inequality, soaring gun ownership, and fraying relations between police and the communities they serve — all intensified during the coronavirus pandemic and widespread uprisings for racial justice. The violence, its causes and its solutions have sparked wide-ranging and fierce policy debates.

The Post’s analysis found an increase in shootings during summers, especially last year, echoing a trend that law enforcement officials and gun violence researchers have warned about for years. With the weather warming, school letting out and virus-related restrictions falling away, leaders are worrying about a deadlier season than usual.

Stop letting violent criminals go free, liar.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

In Britain and the rest of Europe, their citizens have no Right to protect themselves from violent attack...and the best tool for self defense, guns....has been taken away from most of them, in particular the low income groups.

In the U.S. in most places Americans can opt to use guns for at a minimum home defense, and in a vast majority of the country over 19.4 million Americans can legally carry guns for self defense.

In Britain, in particular.....rapes, brutal beatings, brutal knifings (that result in death or life changing injuries), robberies and murder, essentially have to be endured......and almost any attempt at self defense can land the actual victim in jail and prison.

In the U.S.......Americans can use their legal guns...which they do 1.1 million times a year, to stop rapes, brutal beatings, knifings, robberies and murder.

In our country we had 10,235 gun murders.....of those murders over 70-80% of the victims were criminals murdered by other criminals...they were not normal citizens. Of the rest of the victims, the vast majority are the friends, family and associates of the criminals hit by mistake as the actual criminal was the target.

Guns, again, are used in the U.S. 1.1 million times a year to save lives...from rape, robbery, beatings, knifings and murder.........over 170,000 lives saved by some research..........not to include the crimes stopped that also saved lives....

In the U.K.......victims of crime are majority innocent people......who are preyed upon by the British criminals...

Which model do you prefer?

America has that gray line at top. All the other country's lines are at the bottom.

We have much, much more violent crime than Britain, Canada, Spain, Netherlands, etc.

 

[GLASNOST]

America has that gray line at top. All the other country's lines are at the bottom.

We have much, much more violent crime than Britain, Canada, Spain, Netherlands, etc.

And yet the OP is trying to paint a picture of "the European model" as being most dangerous! The US has two problems that attribute to its high rate of "violent crime":

1). A primitive (in caparison to the modern, western world) social structure.

2). Guns up the ass with which to express their frustration and anger because of the primitive social structure they are forced to live in.

 

[M14 Shooter]

America has that gray line at top. All the other country's lines are at the bottom.
We have much, much more violent crime than Britain, Canada, Spain, Netherlands, etc.

Why do you think that is?

 

[2aguy]

And yet the OP is trying to paint a picture of "the European model" as being most dangerous! The US has two problems that attribute to its high rate of "violent crime":

1). A primitive (in caparison to the modern, western world) social structure.

2). Guns up the ass with which to express their frustration and anger because of the primitive social structure they are forced to live in.

moron the European countries are
Becoming more violent and their criminals are
Getting more and more guns. That little thing called World war 2 and the Cold Wr pushed back rhe desteuction of their families by their welfare states. They are now catching up…..

Meanwhile they murdered 12
Million innocent men, women and children……our violent criminals arent even close to that number

 

[2aguy]

And yet the OP is trying to paint a picture of "the European model" as being most dangerous! The US has two problems that attribute to its high rate of "violent crime":

1). A primitive (in caparison to the modern, western world) social structure.

2). Guns up the ass with which to express their frustration and anger because of the primitive social structure they are forced to live in.

British gangs....love them some automatic weapons...

Matt Perfect, the crime agency’s firearms threat lead, said that new Skorpion and G9A automatic pistols, which fire at a speed comparable to an AK47 assault rifle, were found.

Gangs bring rapid‑fire guns to Britain’s streets

Powerful automatic guns are being smuggled into Britain for use by organised crime gangs.The National Crime Agency and police seized weapons in raids on the ho

www.thetimes.co.uk

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Scotland Yard today said police are seizing more deadly automatic weapons from criminals in London as detectives revealed that an innocent bystander was gunned down with a suspected Skorpion sub-machine gun last month .

Rise in sub-machine guns on London streets

Scotland Yard today said police are seizing more deadly automatic weapons from criminals in London as detectives revealed that an innocent bystander was gunned down with a suspected Skorpion sub-machine gun last month .

www.standard.co.uk

You guys think that criminals are going to stay the same no matter how much time passes.....criminals in Britain are changing and becoming more and more violent......

 

[Ivan88]

Who believes in the 2nd Amendment the most?
Americans who gave up their Right to regulate public servants and now beg Congress to let them keep whatever pistols, shotguns and rifles they have;
Or Mao Zedung?
It is Mao's motto, "Power comes out of the barrel of a gun."
He took China and kept it.
Americans can only beg and whine.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It is Mao's motto, "Power comes out of the barrel of a gun."
He took China and kept it.

He kept it because he disarmed those who would oppose him.
Duh.

 

[Ivan88]

He kept it because he disarmed those who would oppose him.
Duh.

Good comment, Thanks M14 Shooter

Americans are not allowed to disarm crooked, traitorous public servants. Americans cannot even vote on all the stupid wars that our glorious peoples leaders so love to do.

All Americans do is beg. Chairman Mao took action, He did not beg.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Good comment, Thanks M14 Shooter

Then you understand how your attempt to argue Mao is a supporter the 2nd is, well, horsepucky.

 

[Ivan88]

Well, M14 Shooter, who is more effective, Americans begging or Mao Zedung? Accomplishing something whether right or wrong, He did it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well, M14 Shooter, who is more effective, Americans begging or Mao Zedung? Accomplishing something whether right or wrong, He did it.

Nothng here changes the fact your attempt to argue Mao is a supporter the 2nd is, horsepucky.

 

[toobfreak]

the European model of self defense, and the American model of Self defensse​

THE EUROPEAN MODEL: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMERICAN MODEL:

 

[GLASNOST]

Who believes in the 2nd Amendment the most?
Americans who gave up their Right to regulate public servants and now beg Congress to let them keep whatever pistols, shotguns and rifles they have;
Or Mao Zedung?
It is Mao's motto, "Power comes out of the barrel of a gun."
He took China and kept it.
Americans can only beg and whine.

Read the title of this thread,

"Two options...the European model of self defense, and the American model of Self defensse."

China has nothing to do with it.

 

[GLASNOST]

America has that gray line at top. All the other country's lines are at the bottom.

We have much, much more violent crime than Britain, Canada, Spain, Netherlands, etc.

Why do you think that is?

Because Europe & Canada have a vastly superior form of Socialist-Democracy that is enjoyed by each individual nation. Very few European citizens fall through the cracks of the social safety net whereas the US has no safety net whatsoever. Crime and violence go hand-in-hand with the sort of frustration felt by the poor, the disadvantaged, and the destitute. Give them guns and what is expected to happen?

 

[GLASNOST]

I hear many Americans say that shying away from owning guns is cowardly. But it seems to me that people who do not feel threatened by an opposing opinion clearly do not find themselves in a situation where cowardice is an issue in the first place. If you need a gun to express yourself then it is you who’s the coward.

Naturally, if your environment is such that the “haves” and the “have nots” are pitted against one another then you may find a gun useful, but Europe (in general) doesn’t support or encourage such an environment.

 

[2aguy]

Because Europe & Canada have a vastly superior form of Socialist-Democracy that is enjoyed by each individual nation. Very few European citizens fall through the cracks of the social safety net whereas the US has no safety net whatsoever. Crime and violence go hand-in-hand with the sort of frustration felt by the poor, the disadvantaged, and the destitute. Give them guns and what is expected to happen?

And that is just magical thinking........the social welfare states have finally reached a point where they have destroyed families...now, more children are raised in fatherless homes, and it is showing up in their criminal gangs....in Europe and Canada....gun crime is going up in Canada...not down.....gangs in Britain are gunning up for coming conflicts...

You guys think crime is static....it isn't.

And please...answer the following question...

Why did gun crime go down 75% and gun murder go down 49% as more Americans owned and carried guns over 27 years?

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

I hear many Americans say that shying away from owning guns is cowardly. But it seems to me that people who do not feel threatened by an opposing opinion clearly do not find themselves in a situation where cowardice is an issue in the first place. If you need a gun to express yourself then it is you who’s the coward.

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Naturally, if your environment is such that the “haves” and the “have nots” are pitted against one another then you may find a gun useful, but Europe (in general) doesn’t support or encourage such an environment.

Wow....what a silly meme...........

Europe murdered 12 million innocent men, women and children in a 6 year period after taking away their guns.........more people murdered in 6 years, than all the criminal murders in the U.S. with guns over 82 years.....

They murdered people because of their religion, their heritage, and because they differed politically....

And you post that?

You need to do some more research....