Trump's Wildly Unconstitutional Plot to Banish U.S. Citizens to Gulags

[postman]

Green card holders must promise to not cause trouble for the USA or their green card can be revoked.. its that simple...

Actually it doesn't say that.
They can't commit crimes, but nothing about prohibiting them from causing trouble (however defined)

 

[Zincwarrior]

Nothing happens, unless you violate the law, in which case you are dealt with at-law domestically, yes?

Trump would like to change that.

 

[Rambunctious]

Actually it doesn't say that.
They can't commit crimes, but nothing about prohibiting them from causing trouble (however defined)

Green card holders do so by the grace of the secretary of state... and that is Marco Rubio... he sets the standard... but you are not correct... there is a list of questions new green card applicants must answer... and they must sign it... if any violations are made you go back home...
Its happened under every president we have ever had... especially Obama... he deported the shit out of people...

 

[Rambunctious]

Actually that would be discrimination, which was made illegal

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Once you have a deportation order from a judge... that's it... you don't have anywhere to turn...
Its not discrimination because all illegal migrants are treated the same way...

 

[postman]

Show me where it says illegal aliens have the same due process rights as citizens...

Show me where illegal aliens are mentioned anywhere in the constitution.

There was no such thing when the constitution was written.

So there can be no mention of different due process rights, of people who did not exist at the time.

 

[Rambunctious]

Show me where illegal aliens are mentioned anywhere in the constitution.

There was no such thing when the constitution was written.

So there can be no mention of different due process rights, of people who did not exist at the time.

They aren't that's the point... are you saying we can't deport illegal aliens?... because everyone would disagree with you...

 

[postman]

Green card holders do so by the grace of the secretary of state... and that is Marco Rubio... he sets the standard... but you are not correct... there is a list of questions new green card applicants must answer... and they must sign it... if any violations are made you go back home...
Its happened under every president we have ever had... especially Obama... he deported the shit out of people...

Actually it's by the determination of the senate confirmed secretary of state. A person the founding fathers thought the senate would give the advice and consent for.

That the decision should be put into Marco Rubio's hands, was a flaw in the constitution

 

[gipper]

You lied about “solitary for YEARS”

Go sit in the liars corner

I don’t think so dummy. Some were held for years. Do you think no one is ever held for years in solitary confinement in the US, no matter their crime?

 

[ThisIsMe]

‘Among the most disturbing ideas floated by the Trump administration in recent weeks is the possibility that it will send U.S. citizens to be imprisoned by the Salvadoran government.

Nayib Bukele, El Salvador’s Trump-friendly president, reportedly made the offer in recent weeks. Trump raised the possibility with reporters in the Oval Office last week, though he conceded that he “[doesn’t] know what the law says on that.”’

Trump’s Wildly Unconstitutional Plot to Banish U.S. Citizens to Gulags

His plan to send American citizens to foreign prisons is the latest in a long series of affronts to the American constitutional order.

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Pretense at ignorance aside, Trump knows, because his henchmen told him. It's just that (like anything else) Trump doesn't care about the rule of law, due process, or the Constitution.

Yeah, that's out of bounds...i was just going to suggest we TP all of your trees!..Just before it rains....that's punishment right there!

 

[postman]

Due process is a sliding scale... what constitutes due process for Americans is very different from due process for illegal aliens and green card holders and naturalized citizens...

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[Rambunctious]

Actually it's by the determination of the senate confirmed secretary of state. A person the founding fathers thought the senate would give the advice and consent for.

That the decision should be put into Marco Rubio's hands, was a flaw in the constitution

Rubio was confirmed by the senate... he is the secretary of state and he said multiple times that he decides what due process for illegals and migrants are... not you... and not some judge...

 

[postman]

Once you have a deportation order from a judge... that's it... you don't have anywhere to turn...
Its not discrimination because all illegal migrants are treated the same way...

citizens and non-citizens alike get due process.
Which is the same for all people, unless the government has a compelling interest to treat people differently.

 

[postman]

They aren't that's the point... are you saying we can't deport illegal aliens?... because everyone would disagree with you...

Congress has the power over immigration and naturalization, and can make any law within their Article 1 powers.

But they also have to give every "person" (not citizen, but person) due process.

 

[Rambunctious]

citizens and non-citizens alike get due process.
Which is the same for all people, unless the government has a compelling interest to treat people differently.

Due process is a sliding scale call any deportation attorney and ask them...

 

[Rambunctious]

Congress has the power over immigration and naturalization, and can make any law within their Article 1 powers.

But they also have to give every "person" (not citizen, but person) due process.

Congressional inaction got us here... he's not coming back dude... sorry to burst your bubble... no US court can force El Salvador to do anything...

 

[Lesh]

The Constitution proves it whether you like it or not.

None of the protections in the Constitution say “citizens”. They in fact say “persons”.

Do you disagree?

I repeat

 

[postman]

Rubio was confirmed by the senate... he is the secretary of state and he said multiple times that he decides what due process for illegals and migrants are... not you... and not some judge...

This is where the term "illegal alien" needs to be thrown out as overtly vague, as it's used to describe both criminal and non-criminal aliens alike.

Rubio can treat criminals differently from non-criminals, but that's just a subset of those people labeled "illegal aliens"

 

[Lesh]

I don’t think so dummy. Some were held for years. Do you think no one is ever held for years in solitary confinement in the US, no matter their crime?

Your claims keep shifting

Stop lying

 

[postman]

Congressional inaction got us here... he's not coming back dude... sorry to burst your bubble... no US court can force El Salvador to do anything...

You are correct that the US judicial system has no power over foreign governments.
But they do have power over those in the united states they ordered to facilitate Garcia's return.

If they can't show what they did to facilitate his release they are in contempt of the judicial order.

 

[Kondor3]

I thought that too. But the president of El Salvador says that he can't send Garcia to the United States.

That is merely a matter of what the President of El Salvador WANTS to do.

I do not think there is a LEGAL barrier to doing that; merely a whispered behind-the-scenes winked-at understanding with Trump.

If both men WANTED to send Garcia back then I'm sure they COULD.

But it requires BOTH to pull that off and so long as the US is helping El Salvador to pay for CECOT I'm sure he knows how to remain in Trump's favor... which is to leave him where he is and to CLAIM an inability or unwillingness to return him to the US.

On paper, this gives Trump the legal and practical excuse he needs, to keep Garcia in El Salvador... quite convenient, yes?

Calling him a terrorist, though there is no such designation in either country.

Well... apparently there is now... $hit happens... things change.