Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[P@triot]

Our drug war is more expensive.

A. Not it’s not

B. Our “War on Poverty” is more than a thousand times that of our “Drug War”

C. Nobody asked that, snowflake. This thread is about the wall and immigration. If you want to discuss the costs of the “Drug War”, create a thread about that.

 

[kaz]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

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Great. When will Mexico send the check?

Another worshiper of fake news. On the bright side, you can tell your Johns that you swallow. They pay extra for that.

So during the election I wondered too how Trump was going to get Mexico to pay for the wall. If you checked his plan like I did, you'd know that his plan was to tax wire transfers of money to Mexico. It wasn't to get the Mexican parliament to send a check.

You never get tired of being stupid and uninformed, do you? You also never get tired of your Ivanka rubber doll ...

 

[oreo]

Capitalism doesn't care about legal status, only socialists do. Capitalism merely needs capital to circulate.

A more market friendly public policy generate revenue instead of lose revenue.

. We are a country with borders.. End of story.

Foreign nationals in the US need federal id. That is a federal obligation.

Where does the Constitution say that?

Article 1, Section 9; only the right wing appeals to ignorance and fantasy, instead of legal facts.

Legal fact.
We have a Federal Immigration Law, passed by Congress and signed into law, that defines parameters of who is classified as a citizen of this country. Those who are not classified as a legal citizen under the Federal Law, are breaking the law. ICE, through the authority given to them by the Federal Government, have the right to deport those who come here illegally and therefore not defined under the law as a citizen of this country. States do NOT have rights that supercede Federal Law, there is nothing written in the Constitution that gives legal authority to the states OVER their Federal Government.

If you want to have a discussion on the Constitution, feel free... but come prepared.

Until Congress write a legal definition of what "sanctuary city" is and is voted upon and approved and signed into law, Sanctuary City is just a right wing buzz word to get you excited. Without a legal definition there is no legal way to determine which city is sanctuary and which city isn't. Then congress would have to pass another bill that was signed into law on what to do with Sanctuary cities.

Which is why Seatlle Washington sued Trump for calling them a sanctuary city.
Seattle sues Trump administration over ‘sanctuary cities’ order

 

[bripat9643]

. We are a country with borders.. End of story.

Foreign nationals in the US need federal id. That is a federal obligation.

Where does the Constitution say that?

Article 1, Section 9; only the right wing appeals to ignorance and fantasy, instead of legal facts.

Legal fact.
We have a Federal Immigration Law, passed by Congress and signed into law, that defines parameters of who is classified as a citizen of this country. Those who are not classified as a legal citizen under the Federal Law, are breaking the law. ICE, through the authority given to them by the Federal Government, have the right to deport those who come here illegally and therefore not defined under the law as a citizen of this country. States do NOT have rights that supercede Federal Law, there is nothing written in the Constitution that gives legal authority to the states OVER their Federal Government.

If you want to have a discussion on the Constitution, feel free... but come prepared.

Until Congress write a legal definition of what "sanctuary city" is and is voted upon and approved and signed into law, Sanctuary City is just a right wing buzz word to get you excited. Without a legal definition there is no legal way to determine which city is sanctuary and which city isn't. Then congress would have to pass another bill that was signed into law on what to do with Sanctuary cities.

Which is why Seatlle Washington sued Trump for calling them a sanctuary city.
Seattle sues Trump administration over ‘sanctuary cities’ order

Any bill they pass will contain the definition, dumbass.

 

[oreo]

Foreign nationals in the US need federal id. That is a federal obligation.

Where does the Constitution say that?

Article 1, Section 9; only the right wing appeals to ignorance and fantasy, instead of legal facts.

Legal fact.
We have a Federal Immigration Law, passed by Congress and signed into law, that defines parameters of who is classified as a citizen of this country. Those who are not classified as a legal citizen under the Federal Law, are breaking the law. ICE, through the authority given to them by the Federal Government, have the right to deport those who come here illegally and therefore not defined under the law as a citizen of this country. States do NOT have rights that supercede Federal Law, there is nothing written in the Constitution that gives legal authority to the states OVER their Federal Government.

If you want to have a discussion on the Constitution, feel free... but come prepared.

Until Congress write a legal definition of what "sanctuary city" is and is voted upon and approved and signed into law, Sanctuary City is just a right wing buzz word to get you excited. Without a legal definition there is no legal way to determine which city is sanctuary and which city isn't. Then congress would have to pass another bill that was signed into law on what to do with Sanctuary cities.

Which is why Seatlle Washington sued Trump for calling them a sanctuary city.
Seattle sues Trump administration over ‘sanctuary cities’ order

Any bill they pass will contain the definition, dumbass.

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Well dumbass NONE exist, the only thing that exists is the word Sanctuary City--so you can pee your pants over it every time it's mentioned. Until Sanctuary City is legally defined by congress, there is no legal way to determine which cities are sanctuary and which ones aren't.

Wanna bet that never happens?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I have to question the math. How much will they make during the same time; and, what will be the positive multiplier effect.

There won’t be, genius. You’re the one who is always whining about “the natural unemployment of capitalism”. Well, these people will either be unemployed (creating a “negative multiplier effect”) or they will take jobs from Americans (creating a “negative multiplier effect”).

(1) If they are not legally qualified for jobs, their unemployment means nothing. (2) Illegals almost never take a job a citizen will take.

Anybody saying or implying that Trump did not say Trump would pay for the wall is lying, writing fake news, and pushing an agenda in the illegal immigration debate.

 

[danielpalos]

I have to question the math. How much will they make during the same time; and, what will be the positive multiplier effect.

There won’t be, genius. You’re the one who is always whining about “the natural unemployment of capitalism”. Well, these people will either be unemployed (creating a “negative multiplier effect”) or they will take jobs from Americans (creating a “negative multiplier effect”).

yet, cheap labor helps the rich get richer faster.

 

[danielpalos]

Considerably more than President Trump's wall. And this is just the cost to legalize the "Dreamers".

According to the Washington Times, the CBO said last week that legalizing the more than 2 million Dreamers in the U.S. would cost taxpayers nearly $26 billion over the next 10 years.

CBO reveals the astronomical cost taxpayers would pay to legalize ‘Dreamers’

I have to question the math.

It’s the CBO, my little parasite. The numbers are spot-on.

did they also estimate how effective the wall would be?

 

[danielpalos]

Our drug war is more expensive.

A. Not it’s not

B. Our “War on Poverty” is more than a thousand times that of our “Drug War”

C. Nobody asked that, snowflake. This thread is about the wall and immigration. If you want to discuss the costs of the “Drug War”, create a thread about that.

Yes, it is. The costs simply are not measured, adequately.

Our War on Poverty; all we needed was equal protection of the law regarding the concept of employment at will. Who's fault is it, the right wing keeps coming up with socialism on a national basis; instead of equal protection of the law, as a natural and individual right.

and, regarding immigration; why are we losing money at our borders?

only lousy capitalists whine about taxes instead of make money.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There will no wall.

Illegal immigration is down.

The OP is way off in numbers.

 

[Slyhunter]

Considerably more than President Trump's wall. And this is just the cost to legalize the "Dreamers".

According to the Washington Times, the CBO said last week that legalizing the more than 2 million Dreamers in the U.S. would cost taxpayers nearly $26 billion over the next 10 years.

CBO reveals the astronomical cost taxpayers would pay to legalize ‘Dreamers’

I have to question the math.

It’s the CBO, my little parasite. The numbers are spot-on.

did they also estimate how effective the wall would be?

It'll stop most of the drug smuggling.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"cost $148.3 billion"

Stupid, shameless lie meant to fool the fools...

 

[danielpalos]

Considerably more than President Trump's wall. And this is just the cost to legalize the "Dreamers".

According to the Washington Times, the CBO said last week that legalizing the more than 2 million Dreamers in the U.S. would cost taxpayers nearly $26 billion over the next 10 years.

CBO reveals the astronomical cost taxpayers would pay to legalize ‘Dreamers’

I have to question the math.

It’s the CBO, my little parasite. The numbers are spot-on.

did they also estimate how effective the wall would be?

It'll stop most of the drug smuggling.

with the latest advances in catapult and drone technologies; right wing fantasy is the Only place, that works.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Considerably more than President Trump's wall. And this is just the cost to legalize the "Dreamers".

According to the Washington Times, the CBO said last week that legalizing the more than 2 million Dreamers in the U.S. would cost taxpayers nearly $26 billion over the next 10 years.

CBO reveals the astronomical cost taxpayers would pay to legalize ‘Dreamers’

I have to question the math.

It’s the CBO, my little parasite. The numbers are spot-on.

did they also estimate how effective the wall would be?

It'll stop most of the drug smuggling.

Nope, not in the slightest.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Considerably more than President Trump's wall. And this is just the cost to legalize the "Dreamers".
CBO reveals the astronomical cost taxpayers would pay to legalize ‘Dreamers’

I have to question the math.

It’s the CBO, my little parasite. The numbers are spot-on.

did they also estimate how effective the wall would be?

It'll stop most of the drug smuggling.

with the latest advances in catapult and drone technologies; right wing fantasy is the Only place, that works.

Drone tech makes any far right resistance in America impossible.

 

[Siete]

Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion


Trumps wall -

well Congress gave him 1 Billion to repair the Bush fence so unless he can crap another 20 billion THERE AINT GONNA BE NO DAMN WALL exactly like Ive been telling you idiots since day 1.

DEAL WITH IT.

 

[danielpalos]

I have to question the math.

It’s the CBO, my little parasite. The numbers are spot-on.

did they also estimate how effective the wall would be?

It'll stop most of the drug smuggling.

with the latest advances in catapult and drone technologies; right wing fantasy is the Only place, that works.

Drone tech makes any far right resistance in America impossible.

we could end our drug war and make money; but that would require Capitalism, not socialism on a national basis.

 

[P@triot]

yet, cheap labor helps the rich get richer faster.

And jobs help the poor get wealthier faster.

 

[P@triot]

did they also estimate how effective the wall would be?

Only idiot progressives need to study a “technology” that has been around for thousands and thousands of years.

Walls work - just ask the Vatican. Walls work - just ask the Obama. Walls work - just ask China. Walls work - just ask Israel.

 

[P@triot]

we could end our drug war and make money; but that would require Capitalism, not socialism on a national basis.

And unfortunately, the ignorant left keeps blocking capitalism in favor of their idiotic national socialism.