Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[danielpalos]

oh, haha, I see what you are saying. 8 an hour is better than 5 an hour.

$8 per hour is exponentially better than $0 per hour. And that’s without taking into consideration that $8 per hour becomes $10 per hour becomes $15 per hour as said employee gains raises and promotions.

All realities that you can’t bring your progressive brainwashed mind to accept.

except, we are dealing a statutory minimum wage. it is the minimum wage, regardless.

Seattle is beating the national average regarding unemployment even with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

 

[danielpalos]

8 per hour is exponentially better than $0 per hour.

No, see, that is where you are wrong, really. It's not much better at all. This is a simple fact. People still qualify for and have to have government assistance, at 8 per hour. These people aren't much participating in the economy at all, and they can't if they tried. They have zero security. That 8/hr job? Good luck keeping it, when the car you can afford for $8/hr breaks down. Etc., Etc.

So no, it is not "exponentially better". And this is a simple economic concept that is not "liberal" in the least.

Again, that $8 per hour job becomes a $10 per hour job, becomes a $15 per hour job over time due to raises and promotions. No matter how much you want to ignore economics and reality, you can’t.

And if their car breaks down, they can get another $8 per hour car. Or walk (as MANY people do - even for many miles). Or they can have a family member, friend, or neighbor drop them off.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment.

Compensation for that, solves Labor's problem in a market friendly manner.

 

[P@triot]

Seattle is beating the national average regarding unemployment even with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

While their minimum wage workers are bringing home less than their minimum wage counterparts in other nations. Nothing makes the poor poorer like failed left-wing policy.

 

[P@triot]

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment.

Only for those with an unnatural rate of laziness and incompetence.

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment.

Only for those with an unnatural rate of laziness and incompetence.

The so-called "natural rate of unemployment" is exactly proportion to the natural percentage of deadbeats and moochers in society.

 

[danielpalos]

Seattle is beating the national average regarding unemployment even with a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

While their minimum wage workers are bringing home less than their minimum wage counterparts in other nations. Nothing makes the poor poorer like failed left-wing policy.

Seattle is beating the national average. And, making even less is merely, income redistribution that simply helps the rich get richer faster, by subsidizing low wages with social services; so right wingers can whine about taxes and try to cut social services for the poor.

Chaos, is the only thing, right wing policy actually delivers.

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment.

Only for those with an unnatural rate of laziness and incompetence.

Capitalists need that "laziness and incompetence" and Natural rate of unemployment for their bottom line, not Labor's bottom line.

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment.

Only for those with an unnatural rate of laziness and incompetence.

The so-called "natural rate of unemployment" is exactly proportion to the natural percentage of deadbeats and moochers in society.

simple public policy that benefits the rich, at the expense of the poor.

 

[BrokeLoser]

8 per hour is exponentially better than $0 per hour.

No, see, that is where you are wrong, really. It's not much better at all. This is a simple fact. People still qualify for and have to have government assistance, at 8 per hour. These people aren't much participating in the economy at all, and they can't if they tried. They have zero security. That 8/hr job? Good luck keeping it, when the car you can afford for $8/hr breaks down. Etc., Etc.

So no, it is not "exponentially better". And this is a simple economic concept that is not "liberal" in the least.

Again, that $8 per hour job becomes a $10 per hour job, becomes a $15 per hour job over time due to raises and promotions. No matter how much you want to ignore economics and reality, you can’t.

And if their car breaks down, they can get another $8 per hour car. Or walk (as MANY people do - even for many miles). Or they can have a family member, friend, or neighbor drop them off.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment.

Compensation for that, solves Labor's problem in a market friendly manner.

Let’s eradicate 12-40 million illegal wetbacks that we spoon feed and then consider your retarded idea....Whatta ya say?

 

[danielpalos]

8 per hour is exponentially better than $0 per hour.

No, see, that is where you are wrong, really. It's not much better at all. This is a simple fact. People still qualify for and have to have government assistance, at 8 per hour. These people aren't much participating in the economy at all, and they can't if they tried. They have zero security. That 8/hr job? Good luck keeping it, when the car you can afford for $8/hr breaks down. Etc., Etc.

So no, it is not "exponentially better". And this is a simple economic concept that is not "liberal" in the least.

Again, that $8 per hour job becomes a $10 per hour job, becomes a $15 per hour job over time due to raises and promotions. No matter how much you want to ignore economics and reality, you can’t.

And if their car breaks down, they can get another $8 per hour car. Or walk (as MANY people do - even for many miles). Or they can have a family member, friend, or neighbor drop them off.

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment.

Compensation for that, solves Labor's problem in a market friendly manner.

Let’s eradicate 12-40 million illegal wetbacks that we spoon feed and then consider your retarded idea....Whatta ya say?

Prohibition has never worked, in the entire history of our Republic.

Why not simply make money from from each and every foreign national in the US by requiring a federal id.

 

[regent]

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment.

Only for those with an unnatural rate of laziness and incompetence.

Or unless the Republicans have caused one of their depressions/recessions then it gets a little sticky, at least until the Democrats, as usual, are called in to aid the nation,

 

[P@triot]

Or unless the Republicans have caused one of their depressions/recessions then it gets a little sticky, at least until the Democrats, as usual, are called in to aid the nation,

If you look at history - the Dumbocrats are almost always in control when the bottom falls out of the economy (after all, that’s what failed left-wing policy does).

FDR and the Dumbocrats oversaw the Great Depression. Jimmy Carter and the Dumbocrats collapsed the economy in the late 1970’s. And Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid had been in control of BOTH chambers for two years when the economy tanked in late 2008 (upon news that the American people had elected a radical marxist to the White House).

But hey, you haven’t let facts get in the way of your false narratives yet on USMB, so why start now?

 

[DOTR]

A wall has other benefits as well...like keeping out democrat voters.

 

[KJohnson]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

Total Governmental Expenditures on Illegal Aliens

Total Tax Contributions by Illegal Aliens

Total Economic Impact of Illegal Immigration

Federal
The Federal government spends a net amount of $45.8 billion on illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children. This amount includes expenditures for public education, medical care, justice enforcement initiatives, welfare programs and other miscellaneous costs. It also factors in the meager amount illegal aliens pay to the federal government in income, social security, Medicare and excise taxes.



FEDERAL SPENDING
The approximately $46 billion in federal expenditures attributable to illegal aliens is staggering. Assuming an illegal alien population of approximately 12.5 million illegal aliens and 4.2 million U.S.-born children of illegal aliens, that amounts to roughly $2,746 per illegal alien, per year. For the sake of comparison, the average American college student receives only $4,800 in federal student loans each year.

FAIR maintains that every concerned American citizen should be asking our government why, in a time of increasing costs and shrinking resources, is it spending such large amounts of money on individuals who have no right, nor authorization, to be in the United States? This is an especially important question in view of the fact that the illegal alien beneficiaries of American taxpayer largess offset very little of the enormous costs of their presence by the payment of taxes. Meanwhile, average Americans pay approximately 30% of their income in taxes.

Federal Education - $1.6 Billion
Federal Medical Costs - $17.1 Billion
Federal Justice Expenditures - $13.1 Billion
Federal Welfare Programs - $5.8 Billion
Total Federal Expenditures - $45.8 Billion
FEDERAL TAXES
Taxes collected from illegal aliens offset fiscal outlays and, therefore must be included in any examination of the cost of illegal immigration. However, illegal alien apologists frequently cite the allegedly large tax payments made by illegal aliens as a justification for their unlawful presence, and as a basis for offering them permanent legal status through a new amnesty, similar to the one enacted in 1986. That argument is nothing more than a red herring.



FAIR believes that most studies grossly overestimate both the taxes actually collected from illegal aliens and, more importantly, the amount of taxes actually paid by illegal aliens (i.e., the amount of money collected from illegal aliens and actually kept by the federal government). This belief is based on a number of factors: Since the 1990’s, the United States has focused on apprehending and removing criminal aliens. The majority of illegal aliens seeking employment in the United States have lived in an environment where they have little fear of deportation, even if discovered. This has created an environment where most illegal aliens are both able and willing to file tax returns.

Because the vast majority of illegal aliens hold low-paying jobs, those who are subject to wage deductions actually wind up receiving a complete refund of all taxes paid, plus net payments made on the basis of tax credits.

As a result, illegal aliens actually profit from filing a tax return and, therefore, have a strong interest in doing so.

 

[KJohnson]

We make money off of illegals

That is why they are here

No..DEMOCRATS WANT THEIR VOTES...THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE. And that's why there are sanctuary cities too. They're harvesting votes while the taxpayers pay the tab supporting them. Anyone believing they're supporting these people and gang members in those cities spread out all over the U.S. just because they feel kind hearted are so naive it's amazing they know how to tie their shoes. Although the left and their fake biased media keep hiding the facts I just happen to have saved a few.

Voter fraud:


New evidence of voter fraud in NC alleged

California AB-60 Driver's License | DMV.ORG

losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/04/04/california-million-drivers-licenses-undocumented-immigrants/


'Voter fraud'? California man finds dozens of ballots stacked outside home


Florida Elections Worker: I Was Fired For Witnessing Possible Absentee Ballot Fraud


Election Fraud? Registered Voters Outnumber the Eligible, in 462 Counties | National Review


2 Investigators: Chicago Voters Cast Ballots From Beyond The Grave

Secretary of State says she has evidence of 3 illegal noncitizen votes in 2016, offers more details about voter fraud probe

 

[danielpalos]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

Total Governmental Expenditures on Illegal Aliens

Total Tax Contributions by Illegal Aliens

Total Economic Impact of Illegal Immigration

Federal
The Federal government spends a net amount of $45.8 billion on illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children. This amount includes expenditures for public education, medical care, justice enforcement initiatives, welfare programs and other miscellaneous costs. It also factors in the meager amount illegal aliens pay to the federal government in income, social security, Medicare and excise taxes.



FEDERAL SPENDING
The approximately $46 billion in federal expenditures attributable to illegal aliens is staggering. Assuming an illegal alien population of approximately 12.5 million illegal aliens and 4.2 million U.S.-born children of illegal aliens, that amounts to roughly $2,746 per illegal alien, per year. For the sake of comparison, the average American college student receives only $4,800 in federal student loans each year.

FAIR maintains that every concerned American citizen should be asking our government why, in a time of increasing costs and shrinking resources, is it spending such large amounts of money on individuals who have no right, nor authorization, to be in the United States? This is an especially important question in view of the fact that the illegal alien beneficiaries of American taxpayer largess offset very little of the enormous costs of their presence by the payment of taxes. Meanwhile, average Americans pay approximately 30% of their income in taxes.

Federal Education - $1.6 Billion
Federal Medical Costs - $17.1 Billion
Federal Justice Expenditures - $13.1 Billion
Federal Welfare Programs - $5.8 Billion
Total Federal Expenditures - $45.8 Billion
FEDERAL TAXES
Taxes collected from illegal aliens offset fiscal outlays and, therefore must be included in any examination of the cost of illegal immigration. However, illegal alien apologists frequently cite the allegedly large tax payments made by illegal aliens as a justification for their unlawful presence, and as a basis for offering them permanent legal status through a new amnesty, similar to the one enacted in 1986. That argument is nothing more than a red herring.



FAIR believes that most studies grossly overestimate both the taxes actually collected from illegal aliens and, more importantly, the amount of taxes actually paid by illegal aliens (i.e., the amount of money collected from illegal aliens and actually kept by the federal government). This belief is based on a number of factors: Since the 1990’s, the United States has focused on apprehending and removing criminal aliens. The majority of illegal aliens seeking employment in the United States have lived in an environment where they have little fear of deportation, even if discovered. This has created an environment where most illegal aliens are both able and willing to file tax returns.

Because the vast majority of illegal aliens hold low-paying jobs, those who are subject to wage deductions actually wind up receiving a complete refund of all taxes paid, plus net payments made on the basis of tax credits.

As a result, illegal aliens actually profit from filing a tax return and, therefore, have a strong interest in doing so.

yet, the rich are getting richer faster. a positive multiplier effect must account for some of that.

 

[bripat9643]

A wall has other benefits as well...like keeping out democrat voters.

Obviously, that's why Democrats hate the idea.

 

[danielpalos]

A wall has other benefits as well...like keeping out democrat voters.

Obviously, that's why Democrats hate the idea.

not at all; the right wing is all about cutting services for the poor, so the rich can get richer, faster.

 

[dblack]

I don't understand the Republican position on this. If their main concern with illegal immigration is illegals getting welfare, why not just close that loophole? Wouldn't that be a lot easier, and cheaper, and more effective, than building a ******* wall?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

A wall has other benefits as well...like keeping out democrat voters.

That's gotten to be one of the dumbest lies RWNJs parrot. Get a clue.

About the cost of the wall, its up to something like $33BILLION now.

Plus the cost of the troops.

Don't tell trumpy but the troops cannot look at Mexico.

National Guard Has Eyes on the Border. But They’re Not Watching Mexico.

National Guard Troops Can Patrol US-Mexico Border But Can’t Actually Look Across It