Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[danielpalos]

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution. Providing for the general warfare is not.

 

[beagle9]

.A man that won't work, don't eat.

You are not that moral or that religious; and, we have a First Amendment and State equivalents.

. Meaning ??

The law is employment at will, not work-or-die.

.Ok, and if you choose not to work, then who pays ?? Your mom and dad until you are 40 ? I sure don't want to pay for you to choose not to work... See how that works?

VA hospitals are filled with guys that won't work.

. Good grief... Care to keep it in context maybe ?? If in a VA hospital, of course they aren't working, and the military takes care of those who would lay down their lives for others. Their injuries weren't by choice, neither is their not being able to work due to those injuries. To be healthy, a U.S. citizen, and not choosing to work for no good reason is on you, and you will bare the burden of that choice, and not the U.S. working class taxpayers. The idiocy has to end.

 

[regent]

You are not that moral or that religious; and, we have a First Amendment and State equivalents.

. Meaning ??

The law is employment at will, not work-or-die.

.Ok, and if you choose not to work, then who pays ?? Your mom and dad until you are 40 ? I sure don't want to pay for you to choose not to work... See how that works?

VA hospitals are filled with guys that won't work.

. Good grief... Care to keep it in context maybe ?? If in a VA hospital, of course they aren't working, and the military takes care of those who would lay down their lives for others. Their injuries weren't by choice, neither is their not being able to work due to those injuries. To be healthy, a U.S. citizen, and not choosing to work for no good reason is on you, and you will bare the burden of that choice, and not the U.S. working class taxpayers. The idiocy has to end.

The point being that there may be reasons poor people do not work. Maybe they have disabilities not suffered in the military, but they are still disabled.

 

[beagle9]

. Meaning ??

The law is employment at will, not work-or-die.

.Ok, and if you choose not to work, then who pays ?? Your mom and dad until you are 40 ? I sure don't want to pay for you to choose not to work... See how that works?

VA hospitals are filled with guys that won't work.

. Good grief... Care to keep it in context maybe ?? If in a VA hospital, of course they aren't working, and the military takes care of those who would lay down their lives for others. Their injuries weren't by choice, neither is their not being able to work due to those injuries. To be healthy, a U.S. citizen, and not choosing to work for no good reason is on you, and you will bare the burden of that choice, and not the U.S. working class taxpayers. The idiocy has to end.

The point being that there may be reasons poor people do not work. Maybe they have disabilities not suffered in the military, but they are still disabled.

. Umm, we are discussing those who choose as in ((((MAKE A CHOICE)))) not too.

We aren't talking about anyone who truly needs assistance or at least I wasn't, and then here you come trying to throw that into the conversation.

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. It is more important and effective than a wall.

 

[beagle9]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. It is more important and effective than a wall.

Federal ID for whose purposes ?? Why not just enforce the law ??? No need for all this tech stuff, just enforce the laws already.

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. It is more important and effective than a wall.

Federal ID for whose purposes ?? Why not just enforce the law ??? No need for all this tech stuff, just enforce the laws already.

Foreign nationals in the US are a federal obligation since 1808.

 

[beagle9]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. It is more important and effective than a wall.

Federal ID for whose purposes ?? Why not just enforce the law ??? No need for all this tech stuff, just enforce the laws already.

Foreign nationals in the US are a federal obligation since 1808.

. Well the feds have failed miserably at their obligations, and that's why you are here wanting to spend more millions on these people ?? Pathetic.

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. It is more important and effective than a wall.

Federal ID for whose purposes ?? Why not just enforce the law ??? No need for all this tech stuff, just enforce the laws already.

Foreign nationals in the US are a federal obligation since 1808.

. Well the feds have failed miserably at their obligations, and that's why you are here wanting to spend more millions on these people ?? Pathetic.

Capitalism doesn't care about legal status, only socialists do. Capitalism merely needs capital to circulate.

A more market friendly public policy generate revenue instead of lose revenue.

 

[beagle9]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. It is more important and effective than a wall.

Federal ID for whose purposes ?? Why not just enforce the law ??? No need for all this tech stuff, just enforce the laws already.

Foreign nationals in the US are a federal obligation since 1808.

. Well the feds have failed miserably at their obligations, and that's why you are here wanting to spend more millions on these people ?? Pathetic.

Capitalism doesn't care about legal status, only socialists do. Capitalism merely needs capital to circulate.

A more market friendly public policy generate revenue instead of lose revenue.

. We are a country with borders.. End of story.

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. It is more important and effective than a wall.

Federal ID for whose purposes ?? Why not just enforce the law ??? No need for all this tech stuff, just enforce the laws already.

Foreign nationals in the US are a federal obligation since 1808.

. Well the feds have failed miserably at their obligations, and that's why you are here wanting to spend more millions on these people ?? Pathetic.

Capitalism doesn't care about legal status, only socialists do. Capitalism merely needs capital to circulate.

A more market friendly public policy generate revenue instead of lose revenue.

. We are a country with borders.. End of story.

Foreign nationals in the US need federal id. That is a federal obligation.

 

[beagle9]

Federal ID for whose purposes ?? Why not just enforce the law ??? No need for all this tech stuff, just enforce the laws already.

Foreign nationals in the US are a federal obligation since 1808.

. Well the feds have failed miserably at their obligations, and that's why you are here wanting to spend more millions on these people ?? Pathetic.

Capitalism doesn't care about legal status, only socialists do. Capitalism merely needs capital to circulate.

A more market friendly public policy generate revenue instead of lose revenue.

. We are a country with borders.. End of story.

Foreign nationals in the US need federal id. That is a federal obligation.

.No it's not.

 

[bripat9643]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. It is more important and effective than a wall.

Federal ID for whose purposes ?? Why not just enforce the law ??? No need for all this tech stuff, just enforce the laws already.

Just build the wall. No ID needed. No Gestapo raiding businessness needed.

 

[bripat9643]

Federal ID for whose purposes ?? Why not just enforce the law ??? No need for all this tech stuff, just enforce the laws already.

Foreign nationals in the US are a federal obligation since 1808.

. Well the feds have failed miserably at their obligations, and that's why you are here wanting to spend more millions on these people ?? Pathetic.

Capitalism doesn't care about legal status, only socialists do. Capitalism merely needs capital to circulate.

A more market friendly public policy generate revenue instead of lose revenue.

. We are a country with borders.. End of story.

Foreign nationals in the US need federal id. That is a federal obligation.

Where does the Constitution say that?

 

[danielpalos]

Foreign nationals in the US are a federal obligation since 1808.

. Well the feds have failed miserably at their obligations, and that's why you are here wanting to spend more millions on these people ?? Pathetic.

Capitalism doesn't care about legal status, only socialists do. Capitalism merely needs capital to circulate.

A more market friendly public policy generate revenue instead of lose revenue.

. We are a country with borders.. End of story.

Foreign nationals in the US need federal id. That is a federal obligation.

.No it's not.

Yes, it is since 1808. That is why nobody takes the right wing seriously about Constitutional law, or politics.

 

[danielpalos]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. It is more important and effective than a wall.

Federal ID for whose purposes ?? Why not just enforce the law ??? No need for all this tech stuff, just enforce the laws already.

Just build the wall. No ID needed. No Gestapo raiding businessness needed.

The Great Walls of America; we have a Commerce Clause!

 

[danielpalos]

Foreign nationals in the US are a federal obligation since 1808.

. Well the feds have failed miserably at their obligations, and that's why you are here wanting to spend more millions on these people ?? Pathetic.

Capitalism doesn't care about legal status, only socialists do. Capitalism merely needs capital to circulate.

A more market friendly public policy generate revenue instead of lose revenue.

. We are a country with borders.. End of story.

Foreign nationals in the US need federal id. That is a federal obligation.

Where does the Constitution say that?

Article 1, Section 9; only the right wing appeals to ignorance and fantasy, instead of legal facts.

 

[bripat9643]

. Well the feds have failed miserably at their obligations, and that's why you are here wanting to spend more millions on these people ?? Pathetic.

Capitalism doesn't care about legal status, only socialists do. Capitalism merely needs capital to circulate.

A more market friendly public policy generate revenue instead of lose revenue.

. We are a country with borders.. End of story.

Foreign nationals in the US need federal id. That is a federal obligation.

Where does the Constitution say that?

Article 1, Section 9; only the right wing appeals to ignorance and fantasy, instead of legal facts.

Nope, it doesn't say anything like that:

Article I, Section 9:​

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

(No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.) (Section in parentheses clarified by the 16th Amendment.)

No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.​

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism doesn't care about legal status, only socialists do. Capitalism merely needs capital to circulate.

A more market friendly public policy generate revenue instead of lose revenue.

. We are a country with borders.. End of story.

Foreign nationals in the US need federal id. That is a federal obligation.

Where does the Constitution say that?

Article 1, Section 9; only the right wing appeals to ignorance and fantasy, instead of legal facts.

Nope, it doesn't say anything like that:

Article I, Section 9:​

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

(No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.) (Section in parentheses clarified by the 16th Amendment.)

No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.​

You have to be able to understand the language of the Constitution.

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

That makes it a federal Obligation after 1808.

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.

 

[beagle9]

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. It is more important and effective than a wall.

Federal ID for whose purposes ?? Why not just enforce the law ??? No need for all this tech stuff, just enforce the laws already.

Just build the wall. No ID needed. No Gestapo raiding businessness needed.

.Barriers will be upgraded of course, and a barrier will be built in some areas of need, but the wall talk as if we are going to build some gargantuan wall along the border between Mexico and North America is a fantasy. This nation has crisis after crisis going on in other government programs, and we need money to shore up those programs in order to repair them.

This border can be fixed without spending billions of dollars on it, but it must start with actively enforcing against the problem of the draw coming from within. Protecting those within this country who are aiding and abetting the illegals, and creating the draw that is about to cost us billions along the border where the real problem is actually hundreds or thousands of miles inward is ridiculous. How stupid are we as a people again ??