Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

Clause 1: The Migration or Importation of such Persons (SLAVES) as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation (of SLAVES), not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

SMFH at the shear stupidity to think this has anything to do with foreigners immigrating here on their own.
It is about immigration into the Union; States have no authority after 1808.
Its about bringing slaves into the country at a port. SMFH
It is about federal supremacy over entry into the Union.
Just right wing propaganda.

  • Article 1, Section 9
  • Clause 1: The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

More B.S. from the bot. I'm no right winger and you use that as an insult. Do it again and I'll report it. You7 may as well be calling people the N word. Stick to the topic. No more personal insults.

HMMMM... SHALL NOT BE PROHIBITED...From YOUR own quote.
Just clueless and Causeless? It says immigration into the Union is a federal obligation after 1808.

What do you think IMMIGRATION is? Are you that clueless? Really, are you that stupid that you want to argue points that have been made fifty times? Is it that or are you delighting yourself in trolling and derailing this thread?
from our nearest trading partners, it should be tourism.

danielpalos,

I sometimes don't understand your posts because I get alerts that you are responding to me when it appears you are responding to someone else. I suspect it has something to do with people who the mods had me put on ignore. Nevertheless, Let's dispel this 1808 nonsense once and for all.

One attorney put it like this:

"In addition, the Migration or Importation Clause provides Congress with the authority to prohibit migration and importation after 1808.(2) However, historical sources agree that this provision was to address the slave trade and not the migration of free persons."

What entity has authority in U.S. immigration law? - Kind

A copy of what danielpalos babbles on about can be found at:

The Avalon Project : Statutes of the United States Concerning Slavery

As per your arguments regarding the Interstate Commerce Clause as a means to deny people entry into the United States to take advantage of job opportunities, as opposed to becoming citizens - I suppose you "could" argue that. But, you should be forewarned that there are truisms that history has provided us. Frederic Bastiat, who wrote the popular book "The Law" observed:

"When goods don't cross borders, armies will."

If foreign workers are "goods" (I'm not criticizing your point on that) then common sense dictates that if it takes armies to put them on U.S. soil, then that is the destiny you are lobbying for on this board.

A wall in our era is not a deterrent to the free market. In the past, people put up walls in order to preserve, protect, and defend a nation - and those nations generally had a degree of homogeneity holding them together.

What we have today is a proposal to make a full third of the undocumented foreigners into citizens, throw up a wall and declare victory. The reality is, those Dreamers are going to become citizens; they will have families; ultimately they will gain power, vote and put a liberal in office that will dismantle the wall, leaving the technology and the manpower to be used against the very people that lobbied for the wall. As for me, I'm just not dumb enough to buy the bullets that someone else will shoot me with. I'm about a permanent and mutually beneficial solution for all sides.
There is no appeal to the literal interpretation of the law. Special pleading is a right wing tactic that is unwarranted in this case. It is about federal supremacy over immigration into the Union after 1808.
 
Clause 1: The Migration or Importation of such Persons (SLAVES) as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation (of SLAVES), not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

SMFH at the shear stupidity to think this has anything to do with foreigners immigrating here on their own.
It is about immigration into the Union; States have no authority after 1808.
Its about bringing slaves into the country at a port. SMFH
It is about federal supremacy over entry into the Union.
More B.S. from the bot. I'm no right winger and you use that as an insult. Do it again and I'll report it. You7 may as well be calling people the N word. Stick to the topic. No more personal insults.

HMMMM... SHALL NOT BE PROHIBITED...From YOUR own quote.
Just clueless and Causeless? It says immigration into the Union is a federal obligation after 1808.

What do you think IMMIGRATION is? Are you that clueless? Really, are you that stupid that you want to argue points that have been made fifty times? Is it that or are you delighting yourself in trolling and derailing this thread?
from our nearest trading partners, it should be tourism.

danielpalos,

I sometimes don't understand your posts because I get alerts that you are responding to me when it appears you are responding to someone else. I suspect it has something to do with people who the mods had me put on ignore. Nevertheless, Let's dispel this 1808 nonsense once and for all.

One attorney put it like this:

"In addition, the Migration or Importation Clause provides Congress with the authority to prohibit migration and importation after 1808.(2) However, historical sources agree that this provision was to address the slave trade and not the migration of free persons."

What entity has authority in U.S. immigration law? - Kind

A copy of what danielpalos babbles on about can be found at:

The Avalon Project : Statutes of the United States Concerning Slavery

As per your arguments regarding the Interstate Commerce Clause as a means to deny people entry into the United States to take advantage of job opportunities, as opposed to becoming citizens - I suppose you "could" argue that. But, you should be forewarned that there are truisms that history has provided us. Frederic Bastiat, who wrote the popular book "The Law" observed:

"When goods don't cross borders, armies will."

If foreign workers are "goods" (I'm not criticizing your point on that) then common sense dictates that if it takes armies to put them on U.S. soil, then that is the destiny you are lobbying for on this board.

A wall in our era is not a deterrent to the free market. In the past, people put up walls in order to preserve, protect, and defend a nation - and those nations generally had a degree of homogeneity holding them together.

What we have today is a proposal to make a full third of the undocumented foreigners into citizens, throw up a wall and declare victory. The reality is, those Dreamers are going to become citizens; they will have families; ultimately they will gain power, vote and put a liberal in office that will dismantle the wall, leaving the technology and the manpower to be used against the very people that lobbied for the wall. As for me, I'm just not dumb enough to buy the bullets that someone else will shoot me with. I'm about a permanent and mutually beneficial solution for all sides.
There is no appeal to the literal interpretation of the law. Special pleading is a right wing tactic that is unwarranted in this case. It is about federal supremacy over immigration into the Union after 1808.

Your back door name calling and misinterpretation of the law is so ridiculous that you couldn't sell it to a colony of morons. So, keep up that canard that what you don't understand has something to do with the right wing. Keep it up. The right loves it. It serves as a testament to the lack of intelligence rampant on the left.
 
So after the wall is built our costs will hopefully be: 148.3 billion plus the payment for the wall.
 
So if we built the wall it would only add 21.6 billion to the cost of the immigrants?
 
It is about immigration into the Union; States have no authority after 1808.
Its about bringing slaves into the country at a port. SMFH
It is about federal supremacy over entry into the Union.
Just clueless and Causeless? It says immigration into the Union is a federal obligation after 1808.

What do you think IMMIGRATION is? Are you that clueless? Really, are you that stupid that you want to argue points that have been made fifty times? Is it that or are you delighting yourself in trolling and derailing this thread?
from our nearest trading partners, it should be tourism.

danielpalos,

I sometimes don't understand your posts because I get alerts that you are responding to me when it appears you are responding to someone else. I suspect it has something to do with people who the mods had me put on ignore. Nevertheless, Let's dispel this 1808 nonsense once and for all.

One attorney put it like this:

"In addition, the Migration or Importation Clause provides Congress with the authority to prohibit migration and importation after 1808.(2) However, historical sources agree that this provision was to address the slave trade and not the migration of free persons."

What entity has authority in U.S. immigration law? - Kind

A copy of what danielpalos babbles on about can be found at:

The Avalon Project : Statutes of the United States Concerning Slavery

As per your arguments regarding the Interstate Commerce Clause as a means to deny people entry into the United States to take advantage of job opportunities, as opposed to becoming citizens - I suppose you "could" argue that. But, you should be forewarned that there are truisms that history has provided us. Frederic Bastiat, who wrote the popular book "The Law" observed:

"When goods don't cross borders, armies will."

If foreign workers are "goods" (I'm not criticizing your point on that) then common sense dictates that if it takes armies to put them on U.S. soil, then that is the destiny you are lobbying for on this board.

A wall in our era is not a deterrent to the free market. In the past, people put up walls in order to preserve, protect, and defend a nation - and those nations generally had a degree of homogeneity holding them together.

What we have today is a proposal to make a full third of the undocumented foreigners into citizens, throw up a wall and declare victory. The reality is, those Dreamers are going to become citizens; they will have families; ultimately they will gain power, vote and put a liberal in office that will dismantle the wall, leaving the technology and the manpower to be used against the very people that lobbied for the wall. As for me, I'm just not dumb enough to buy the bullets that someone else will shoot me with. I'm about a permanent and mutually beneficial solution for all sides.
There is no appeal to the literal interpretation of the law. Special pleading is a right wing tactic that is unwarranted in this case. It is about federal supremacy over immigration into the Union after 1808.

Your back door name calling and misinterpretation of the law is so ridiculous that you couldn't sell it to a colony of morons. So, keep up that canard that what you don't understand has something to do with the right wing. Keep it up. The right loves it. It serves as a testament to the lack of intelligence rampant on the left.
Foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.
 
So after the wall is built our costs will hopefully be: 148.3 billion plus the payment for the wall.
Its about bringing slaves into the country at a port. SMFH
It is about federal supremacy over entry into the Union.
What do you think IMMIGRATION is? Are you that clueless? Really, are you that stupid that you want to argue points that have been made fifty times? Is it that or are you delighting yourself in trolling and derailing this thread?
from our nearest trading partners, it should be tourism.

danielpalos,

I sometimes don't understand your posts because I get alerts that you are responding to me when it appears you are responding to someone else. I suspect it has something to do with people who the mods had me put on ignore. Nevertheless, Let's dispel this 1808 nonsense once and for all.

One attorney put it like this:

"In addition, the Migration or Importation Clause provides Congress with the authority to prohibit migration and importation after 1808.(2) However, historical sources agree that this provision was to address the slave trade and not the migration of free persons."

What entity has authority in U.S. immigration law? - Kind

A copy of what danielpalos babbles on about can be found at:

The Avalon Project : Statutes of the United States Concerning Slavery

As per your arguments regarding the Interstate Commerce Clause as a means to deny people entry into the United States to take advantage of job opportunities, as opposed to becoming citizens - I suppose you "could" argue that. But, you should be forewarned that there are truisms that history has provided us. Frederic Bastiat, who wrote the popular book "The Law" observed:

"When goods don't cross borders, armies will."

If foreign workers are "goods" (I'm not criticizing your point on that) then common sense dictates that if it takes armies to put them on U.S. soil, then that is the destiny you are lobbying for on this board.

A wall in our era is not a deterrent to the free market. In the past, people put up walls in order to preserve, protect, and defend a nation - and those nations generally had a degree of homogeneity holding them together.

What we have today is a proposal to make a full third of the undocumented foreigners into citizens, throw up a wall and declare victory. The reality is, those Dreamers are going to become citizens; they will have families; ultimately they will gain power, vote and put a liberal in office that will dismantle the wall, leaving the technology and the manpower to be used against the very people that lobbied for the wall. As for me, I'm just not dumb enough to buy the bullets that someone else will shoot me with. I'm about a permanent and mutually beneficial solution for all sides.
There is no appeal to the literal interpretation of the law. Special pleading is a right wing tactic that is unwarranted in this case. It is about federal supremacy over immigration into the Union after 1808.

Your back door name calling and misinterpretation of the law is so ridiculous that you couldn't sell it to a colony of morons. So, keep up that canard that what you don't understand has something to do with the right wing. Keep it up. The right loves it. It serves as a testament to the lack of intelligence rampant on the left.
Foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id.

Winston Smith, is that you again? You know, the more you post, the more it drives people to want to become right wingers.

When I started posting here I was clearly a Libertarian. Your National Socialist mantra (repeat a lie often enough and it is accepted as truth) might work out for you. I very well may shift right and Donald Trump will thank you from the bottom of his heart.

If your intent is to make people want to support the right, you're a better salesman for it than Trump. If you're not on his payroll, you should be.

Free people can NEVER endorse a POLICE STATE nor trade essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety.
 
So much for the progressive’s claims that fences don’t stop people...
Some businesses — at least 40 in the Stockton area — have gone so far as to install electrified fencing to keep the nightly intruders off their property.
And so much for progressive “compassion”. Electric fence?!? But what about the children? How many children accidentally touch it and get electrocuted? Heartless progressive sick bastards.

Stockton businesses suffer from impact of homeless
 
So much for the progressive’s claims that fences don’t stop people...
Some businesses — at least 40 in the Stockton area — have gone so far as to install electrified fencing to keep the nightly intruders off their property.
And so much for progressive “compassion”. Electric fence?!? But what about the children? How many children accidentally touch it and get electrocuted? Heartless progressive sick bastards.

Stockton businesses suffer from impact of homeless
Why is there any homelessness? Anyone not working should have recourse to unemployment compensation.
 
So much for the progressive’s claims that fences don’t stop people...
Some businesses — at least 40 in the Stockton area — have gone so far as to install electrified fencing to keep the nightly intruders off their property.
And so much for progressive “compassion”. Electric fence?!? But what about the children? How many children accidentally touch it and get electrocuted? Heartless progressive sick bastards.

Stockton businesses suffer from impact of homeless
Why is there any homelessness? Anyone not working should have recourse to unemployment compensation.
. Even if choosing not to work ??
 
So much for the progressive’s claims that fences don’t stop people...
Some businesses — at least 40 in the Stockton area — have gone so far as to install electrified fencing to keep the nightly intruders off their property.
And so much for progressive “compassion”. Electric fence?!? But what about the children? How many children accidentally touch it and get electrocuted? Heartless progressive sick bastards.

Stockton businesses suffer from impact of homeless
Why is there any homelessness? Anyone not working should have recourse to unemployment compensation.
. Even if choosing not to work ??
Is employment at-will or not?
 
So much for the progressive’s claims that fences don’t stop people...
Some businesses — at least 40 in the Stockton area — have gone so far as to install electrified fencing to keep the nightly intruders off their property.
And so much for progressive “compassion”. Electric fence?!? But what about the children? How many children accidentally touch it and get electrocuted? Heartless progressive sick bastards.

Stockton businesses suffer from impact of homeless
Why is there any homelessness? Anyone not working should have recourse to unemployment compensation.
. Even if choosing not to work ??
Is employment at-will or not?
.A man that won't work, don't eat.
 
So much for the progressive’s claims that fences don’t stop people...
Some businesses — at least 40 in the Stockton area — have gone so far as to install electrified fencing to keep the nightly intruders off their property.
And so much for progressive “compassion”. Electric fence?!? But what about the children? How many children accidentally touch it and get electrocuted? Heartless progressive sick bastards.

Stockton businesses suffer from impact of homeless
Why is there any homelessness? Anyone not working should have recourse to unemployment compensation.
. Even if choosing not to work ??
Is employment at-will or not?
.A man that won't work, don't eat.
You are not that moral or that religious; and, we have a First Amendment and State equivalents.
 
So much for the progressive’s claims that fences don’t stop people...
And so much for progressive “compassion”. Electric fence?!? But what about the children? How many children accidentally touch it and get electrocuted? Heartless progressive sick bastards.

Stockton businesses suffer from impact of homeless
Why is there any homelessness? Anyone not working should have recourse to unemployment compensation.
. Even if choosing not to work ??
Is employment at-will or not?
.A man that won't work, don't eat.
You are not that moral or that religious; and, we have a First Amendment and State equivalents.
. Meaning ??
 
Why is there any homelessness? Anyone not working should have recourse to unemployment compensation.
. Even if choosing not to work ??
Is employment at-will or not?
.A man that won't work, don't eat.
You are not that moral or that religious; and, we have a First Amendment and State equivalents.
. Meaning ??
The law is employment at will, not work-or-die.
 
The law is employment at will, not work-or-die.
And that “employment at will” carries with it the personal responsibility of your choices. So yes, it absolutely is “work or die”. Stop being a parasite.
Only the right wing says that with a straight face, in the Age of Corporate Welfare that even pays out multimillion dollar bonuses. That is why, nobody takes the right wing seriously.
 
15th post
. Even if choosing not to work ??
Is employment at-will or not?
.A man that won't work, don't eat.
You are not that moral or that religious; and, we have a First Amendment and State equivalents.
. Meaning ??
The law is employment at will, not work-or-die.
.Ok, and if you choose not to work, then who pays ?? Your mom and dad until you are 40 ? I sure don't want to pay for you to choose not to work... See how that works?
 
Is employment at-will or not?
.A man that won't work, don't eat.
You are not that moral or that religious; and, we have a First Amendment and State equivalents.
. Meaning ??
The law is employment at will, not work-or-die.
.Ok, and if you choose not to work, then who pays ?? Your mom and dad until you are 40 ? I sure don't want to pay for you to choose not to work... See how that works?
Unemployment compensation is less expensive than means tested welfare. We could be improving the efficiency of our economy by lowering our costs, with a simpler product.

In my opinion, unemployment compensation taxes should be paid by employers since they benefit the most from capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment (merely for the bottom line.)
 
mexico has a wall in Tijuana, and here it is...

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Is employment at-will or not?
.A man that won't work, don't eat.
You are not that moral or that religious; and, we have a First Amendment and State equivalents.
. Meaning ??
The law is employment at will, not work-or-die.
.Ok, and if you choose not to work, then who pays ?? Your mom and dad until you are 40 ? I sure don't want to pay for you to choose not to work... See how that works?
VA hospitals are filled with guys that won't work.
 
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