justoffal
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justoffal
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One caveat.... The government isn't looking at their choice of business decisions... It's looking at whether or not they are using the DEI standard to discriminate.
Interesting, thanks for tbe enlightenment.
I disagree. We are bypassing and attempting to redefine the law impose a pretty radical agenda. Just for example, violating the impoundment control act or shuttering agencies created by an act of Congress. Deliberately violating judicial rulings such as those designed to prevent abuses of due process. There are more than I could ever list here.
This isn’t “sanity”, it is deliberately forced anarchy designed to break our democratic institutions, threaten the separation of powers and destroy the power of tbe people in favor of oligarchs and cronies. There is open and flagrant corruption, conflicts of interest and the destruction of the entities that monitor and address corruption.
This brings me back to this: striking political parties, what will you do when an equally corrupt progressive is in power with all these precedents to utilize?
I disagree…some are supported some less some more by the public. And even within categories different issues have different levels of support.
For example…
Transgender issues:
Americans have grown more supportive of restrictions for trans people in recent years
Two-thirds of U.S. adults favor laws and policies that require trans athletes to compete on teams that match their sex assigned at birth.
www.pewresearch.org
Overall, support is dropping but a clear majority, 66%, still support not discriminating in housing or employment. This is a clear message that the liberal impulse has gone too far too fast and a conservative course correction is occurring (progressives misread the public). However that course correction is in danger of overreaching because a significant majority opposes discrimination in housing or jobs.
Other areas being attacked that are NOT supported by the American People
Abortion: clear majorities believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases (63%) this has steadily been ticking up.
Same sex marriage: in a 2024 Gallup poll, 69% supported same sex marriage.
Both of these are targets for Project 2025 (and by now it should be clear that this the playbook in use).
Public shaming by the way, is not coming from lawmakers but the People (on both sides) magnified through social media.
Election results in 2020 make that cultural claim questionable. 2024 results were driven by two main things: economy (81%) and healthcare (65%), not culture wars. DEI and transgender issues aren’t even high enough to be on the list.
We are seeing significant overreaches being rapidly forced through that are not widely supported.
You keep leaving out 2020. It doesn’t fit your narrative?
There are two branches of government that express the will of the people: Executive and Congress with Congress most directly representing it.
This sounds like you are supporting what may well be the illegal abuse of Executive power in order to force your agenda on the people, people who were voting on the issues of economy and immigration, not culture wars.
Konder quote: The precedents being set are no more dangerous than allowing existing and insane Liberal policies to remain on the books.
That is remarkably short-sighted Konder since an equally corrupt, ruthless, anti-Constitutional Progressive could forceably impose an the same agenda-on-steroids but with a Progressive flavor against the will of the people. You are assuming a much broader mandate than was actually given by the election. The Democrats made that mistake in prior years.
Remember when we were saying that about the Republicans not so long ago?
If you are supporting authoritarianism to impose the ideological agenda you support, that is a dangerous step to take.
Kondor3
Cafeteria Centrist
Bypassing? No. Redefining? Yes, in some cases; No in others.
Radical agenda? Enforcing immigration law? Reducing debt? Trimming waste? Negating LGBTQ overreach? Hardly radical.
Oh, mind you, some of the TACTICS being employed might seem radical, but not the policies behind the tactics.
Yep. Many tactics are, indeed, both radical and harsh, but the problems run so deep that such tactics are necessary.
When I refer to "sanity" I apply that to border control, immigration enforcement, slashing costs and debt, gender-reset, etc.
Well... you've got me there... some of what we're seeing with respect to cronyism and corruption stink to high heaven.
Good question. I don't have an answer. But Harry Reid started us down this road with the Nuclear Option in the Senate and legislative control over government has been eroding and becoming more useless and unproductive with each passing year.
I hear you. We must agree to disagree.
We are on the same page on this one.
The 2024 election tells us that Abortion simply wasn't the Visceral Issue that Liberals thought it was going to be.
The 2024 election tells us that Americans don't want boys and men in little girls bathrooms nor in women's sports.
Most folks... Conservatives and Liberals alike... don't much care what folks do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, but the 2024 election also tells us that Liberals have gone waaaaaayyy too far with respect to LGBTQ and with respect to DEI in general.
Wake me up when these things materialize. In the interim I seriously doubt that there is much support for new guardrails.
Mainstream media takes its cue from lawmakers... social media picks up on its sister media and facilitates the grass-roots angst.
The 2020 election was about four years of whackoid 2:00 AM Tweets, Cringe Moments and poor handling of the onset of COVID.
And, reflect... how Crappy do you have to be, to lose to that very same person who had been rejected for those reasons earlier?
The "level of crappiness"
from which you (collectively) suffered leading-up-to and during the Biden years should concern you.How do you ever expect to win again unless you take a long, hard look in the mirror, ditch the Illegals and stop elevating people based on Race and Gender-Identity and get back to a sane middle-ground on such issues?
Fail to tend to such matters at your (collective) very great political peril.
And we are seeing significant activity and policy shifts being rapidly forced through that are very broadly applauded.
As with most administrations, a mix-and-match of welcomed and shunned policy and actions and rationale.
No. 2020 was immaterial because it was not about Culture Wars. Both 2016 and 2020 were, to a very large extent.
Indeed.
What agenda would that be? Closing the border? Removing Illegals? Dumping DEI? Slashing Federal debt? Shrinking government?
Liberals have been doing their best to play the Obstructionist in recent weeks with respect to those issues and they are being swept aside and neutralized USING the law rather than violating it, and Liberals are furious to be so completely sidelined.
You can't keep doubling-down on issues that cost you two recent elections if you want to win the next one or beyond.
Quite possibly, but Liberal overreach (border, Illegals, DEI, debt) have forced the issue; leaving little time or choice in the matter.
There is always that risk, but... no guts, no glory.
And the Republicans are ALSO stupid enough to make that assumption; like Dems, the damned Pubs never truly learn.
I do indeed.
Nope. I am supporting fast action on several key issues USING the law rather than ignoring it, like Biden did with immigration.
It is up to Congress to “redefine” through legislation and the courts when it comes to Consitutionality. The
Executive has limited power: he can choose what to have enforced or not by the federal agencies he leads and he can create rules and executive orders.
The President can issue rules, regulations, and instructions (called executive orders), which have the binding force of law upon federal agencies but do not require approval of the United States Congress. Executive orders are subject to judicial review and interpretation.
Yes, radical. There are many ways to enforce immigration laws that do not require robbing people their right to due process, access to legal help or “disappearing” them. Deporting people solely and only for exercising a their right to free speech; deporting into situations where they could be killed or tortured.
(Konder Quote): Oh, mind you, some of the TACTICS being employed might seem radical, but not the policies behind the tactics. Yep. Many tactics are, indeed, both radical and harsh, but the problems run so deep that such tactics are necessary. (End quote)
Such tactics are NEVER necessary. Rationalizing and justifying tactics that are both unconstitutional deprive people of their rights is how you give up your own rights and justify a transition to authoritarianism.
So far all this “slashing costs” appears to be a smoke screen designed to distract from the fact we are now lining the pockets of wealthy elites with tax payer money.
Immigration enforcement can be done with depriving people of their rights and due process.
You better believe it! Is it worth it?
It isn’t even hidden, it’s in your face daring you to do anything!
It goes back further than Reid, and Congress as an institution has allowed it.
Kondor3
Cafeteria Centrist
True.
And had the Biden Administration paid much better attention to this, it's quite possible that Trump would not have won.
The number of Illegal Aliens now in the country.. and the sheer volume allowed-in during the Biden Years, as they looked the other way and even flew plane-load after -load of Illegals into (and around) the country have brought us to this sorry state.
A majority of Americans want them gone, and the numbers now present are so huge that a change-in-policy to allow for fast-tracking and shortcuts is the only way to deal with such tremendous numbers; not getting bogged down with detail.
So the American People will now look the other way in order to counter the 'look-away' that the Biden Administration was so infamous for doing over the past four years... something akin to "Ya gotta fight fire with fire".
Besides, the Due Process for Illegals argument rests on judicial precedent more than statute so it is easier to work around for situations like this where getting bogged-down in the courts would only serve to delay or hinder or prevent deportations.
Not to mention that vast numbers of Americans, while insistent upon Due Process for "our own", don't get all that excited over the Due Process issue when applied to the untold millions of unwanted Illegal Aliens presently upon US soil without permission.
If they're here illegally they don't need 'legal help'... they need to go.
The only people being 'disappeared' are dangerous criminals and those involved in campus unrest against our allies.
Anybody here on a Student Visa is not here as a Refugee so I doubt there is much to be concerned about in that context.
If you foment or participate in civil unrest begun as protest against our allies and friends and contrary to the interests of the United States or detrimental to our diplomatic efforts, and you are here as our guest, your guest status is revoked.
That is both Legal and Righteous.
Sorry.
Leftards play silly word games as a way of refusing to discuss an issue seriously.
Spreading anti-American propaganda to divide and weaken Americans against each other, is cultural marxism.
You can shit talk in defense of it, if you want.
Dismissed.
The 2024 election said nothing about transgenders, it wasn’t even on the horizon in terms of issues. Remember, we are talking about 0.6% of the population that Republicans have turned into their culture war flagship.
Trump won with the slimmest popular vote margin in history and one of the smallest electoral college margins. Both House and Senate have very slim margins. Literally, it came down to the economy and tbe price of eggs, not an extreme and violent Conservative remaking of America.
Possibly, and I don’t have an issue if they choose to reduce it in government programs, but I do have an issue when it comes to erasing accomplishments from history just because the person was Black, or female or anything but a White male. I also have a problem when they try to force their ideology on private enterprises or academia. If laws are being violated, that is one thing, but EO’s are not law. Markets (whether it is consumers, or in the case of higher education stakeholders such as students, parents funding them, alumni and ) should determine that.
Mainstream media takes its cue from what its readership wants and social media operates in its own ecosystem. If anything, social media is bleeding over into mainstream media.
It was more than that, much more, it was the corruption, blatent breaking of laws and scandal after scandal. We are seeing the same thing now only on steroids and with a weaponized DoJ (and no, it was not weaponized before).
The Democrats DO need to take a hard look at themselves. But a sane middle ground is not what tbe Republicans are offering.
It is way too early to judge that. Trump is still in his honeymoon and the reverberations of those things have yet to be felt, and when they are they will significant and painful.
Robbing people of due process? Kidnapping legal residents who have committed no crime off the street and jailing them where no one can access them and they can’t access help? Firing people, with excellent performance reviews with letters claiming poor performance (which affects future employment?
Telling our military we need to disregard the Geneva Conventions? Ending a program with Ukraine which collected information pertaining to some 200,000 Ukrainian children Russia kidnapped and was helping Ukraine recover them? And not just end it, but actively destroy the data. Opening our most sensitive data to a hack team of youngsters with no background checks, ethics training or agreements? Breaking and crashing systems before they even understand how they work first? Did voters vote for Social Security to be trashed? Medicare? Are you ok with sending Afghans who helped us in Afghanistan, here on legal temporary status, back to Afghanistan where they are certain to be killed? How the policy of politicizing FEMA aid…basing it on partisan politics rather than need? How about the policy of eviserating our military leadership and replacing it with incompetent sycophants? The recent scandal with Signal (illegally used by an administration that doesn’t want to comply with tbe records act) ought to be warning enough. And it hasn’t even been 3 months.
The problem is, you are not using the law, you are corrupting it and even violating it. The courts are finally starting to rein some of it in, it remains to be seen if the Executive complies or creates a Constitutional crisis. No agenda is worth this.
Woah…how much is factual here?
Fact-checking the Trump White House's claims about illegal immigration dropping sharply
Illegal immigration at the U.S. southern border has dropped since Trump entered the White House. But the White House’s data use is misleading.
www.pbs.org
Americans aren’t quite in line with you and I predict as the cruelty and violence of these policies become more publicized, you will see some disgust and anger rising, much as it did with forced seperation of children during the first Trump administration.
What do Americans really think?
Americans’ Views of Deportations
Most say arrests of immigrants living in the U.S. illegally should be allowed at protests or in homes, but not at places of worship or schools.
www.pewresearch.org
It is a lot of precedent, and it is important. We should not be sending people to where they be killed or tortured.
Our laws and rights are not based on the whims of popular opinion nor should they be.
That is untrue, and free speech is a right.
We will have to disagree since that is a fundamentally flawed argument that has the potential criminalize free speech based solely on partisan politics. A very dangerous road to go on.
By the way, even though we disagree, thanks for a thoughtful and courteous response, it’s refreshing around here
Kondor3
Cafeteria Centrist
If you believe that than you were not paying sufficiently-close attention in that context.
Indeed... a tiny slice that was being accommodated at the expense of much of the rest of the population, to an extent far exceeding their numbers or importance.
Perhaps, and, if true, then, again... just how crappy do your policies and candidates have to be, to lose to THAT ?
Not so sure about that, but... yeah... okay...
True.
No... the Economy was Number One on the list, but there were several other strong 'contenders' on the List of Issues...
Deluding yourselves that the Economy was the ONLY "main" reason why you lost will not serve you well in the days to come...
The only violence that I see being perpetrated so far is that coming from The Left... campus riots, burning car dealerships, etc.
Perhaps the Left should not have overdone it with DEI over the past couple of decades? IMHO, you should have left well-enough alone some years ago before the last round or two of "pushing". You (collectively) were oh-so-smug that you had won the Culture Wars and that you could continue to play the Race Card and Guilt-Shame forevermore, unhindered.
And now you're furious that your dominance in that focal area has been overturned and that your emphasis and imagery are being taken-down and that you are largely powerless to stop it; and nonplussed that America is largely content that it be so.
If you want to do business with the Federal government then you cannot uphold policies and behaviors that have been classified as divisive and illegally or un-righteously favor one group over another... the playing field is being re-leveled.
EO's are based upon Law and are considered every bit as binding as Law; that was settled eons ago in the law courts.
When campuses become a level playing field where all opinions are respected and listened to then perhaps we will be on our way to attaining that goal. In the interim, where one perspective or focal area is given short shrift by academia, well... let's just say that it is the job of schools to teach Readin', 'Ritin' and 'Rithmetic... not to serve as political indoctrinators...
Mainstream media does the legwork with boots-on-the-ground and are the first one shaping opinion and providing spin... social media still has a long way to go before they shape opinion... for now, social media is an echo chamber and accelerant...
Like I've been saying... just how crappy do your policies and candidates have to be, to lose to THAT ?
Agreed. Whole-heartedly. And with genuine goodwill on the subject.
Possibly. But they ARE destroying the worst that the Left has imposed upon the rest of us in recent decades. Between the two extremes, perhaps a Sane Middle Ground will emerge again... something the Democrats should begin working towards, IMHO.
Agreed.
Citizens? No. Illegal Aliens? Perhaps. Oversights and shortcuts are the only way to deal with the sheer volume in question.
To make omelettes, ya gotta break a few eggs.
And this particular omelette (flushing Illegals) WILL be made.
Yep. I would have done it differently as well. The problem was letting amateurs guide the OPM through the drafting of the notices; deluding themselves that it was like the autocracy oftentimes permitted or winked-at in the private sector.
I am not aware of any such advisory issued to our people..
Yep. Not good.
Yep. Not good.
I am unaware of any such crashes.
Nope.
Nope.
I am not aware of any such controls placed upon FEMA funds (other than an infamous Dem ignoring victims with Trump lawn signs)...
The only leaders getting booted were those focused on DEI rather than war-fighting... although I will confess to complete disapproval of the current Secretary...
Yep. SignalGate is a big-a$$ Red Flag... but it is not necessarily fatal to those involved... we'll know soon enough...
Purely a matter of opinion... the courts will decide that on a case-by-case basis...
If these various EO's and actions pass muster at SCOTUS then that's the end of it... if not, I'm sure they'll try a different approach...
If the Pubs manage to secure the border and boot the Illegals and reduce the debt and shrink government then you may have a very difficult time ahead of you to persuade the Average American Voter that the Agenda is not worth a crisis or two.
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Right or wrong... agree or disagree... we found at least a few scraps of common ground, and it was a good exchange.
Thanks.
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It stands for discrimination, exclusion, and incompetence.
I don't speak for Republicans. Only for myself. Jobs should be filled on the basis of competence and merit.
"Differently abled"? WTF does that mean? Speak English.
Equity does not mean equality. DEI has never been about equality. Equity is a leftard social justice word. Leftards want equal outcomes without competence and without working for it.
DEI is dead. Everywhere. Biden flaunted it and pushed it into the public eye, and the public soundly rejected it.
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