Trumps Executive order Fu+ks People with Pre-Existing Conditions

[dblack]

Come on, Black, you are stretching your point. The basis of a "free market' is that competitors produce lower prices and better quality. There is no insurance company in the US that is competing for cancer and heart disease victims. In short, there is no "free market" in health insurance.

Yeah. If you're saying there will never be a market for selling insurance to people who are already sick, you're right. The concept makes no sense. Health insurance is for people who are currently healthy, to insure themselves in case they get sick. It's not a "golden ticket" that scores you free health care.

STOP THE PRESSES! "Conservative expresses zero compassion for those dying for lack of insurance"

Who would have guessed?

Fuck you. I have plenty of compassion for people in need. I just don't any patience with insurance industry crooks trying to get in bed with government.

Then you should be hoping for Medicare for all under single payer.

No, Black hates Medicare, too. All those old sick geezers should be turned into Soylent Green.

I hate any program that turns voters' good intentions into a corporate feeding trough.

 

[Leo123]

I hate any program that turns voters' good intentions into a corporate feeding trough.

The feeding trough is for rich Democrats who get $$$$ from the corporations they so vehemently decry in their false, fake news statements.

 

[P@triot]

It's the congress that writes the legislation for Health Care, not TRUMP.

Oh look...the left-wing fascist is suddenly a constitutional conservative when his candidate is not in power.

Here’s the thing my fragile little snowflake - President Trump’s Executive Order is 100% legal. He’s not attempting to alter law (like Barack Insane Obama used to do). All he did was correct an unconstitutional abomination. No more illegal subsidies.

 

[P@triot]

So, you would be more honest and credible if you would drop the "free market" BS, and just call it like it is: "We don't give a shit if you live or die, because we have ours".

That’s a non-issue. After all, we have so many of you deeply caring, bleeding heart, selfless, altruistic progressives who will cover the costs for anyone in need. Right Vandalshandle?

Talk is cheap. Put your money where your mouth is. Step up.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Well, I guess that they are going to throw me in the slammer, then, because I made a very good living as a health insurance executive for 50 years...

Yeah, you so funny.....NOT! You were selling snake-oil. Read the link I provided and provide something other than stupid rhetoric. Otherwise I have to conclude that you don't care to research what you write or even do.

Leo, as VP of health and life underwriting for 35 years, i am pretty sure that I know who was insurable and who was not. The underwriting manual was designed to weed out 25% to 30% of individual applicants, including all pregnant women, It was 3 inches thick, and the ratio of declinations to acceptance for people over age 55 was 40%, and over 60 was 50%. The declinations were uninsurable at any price. now, if you want to go after all of the life and health insurance educational designations that I earned, including HIAA, CLU, ChFC, FLIMI, etc, please do so, and then come back and talk to me about this subject, which you presently know absolutely nothing about.

You only underwrote what you were told to underwrite using government regulations and failed business models. I don't blame you it's a whole system that government made dysfunctional as liberal, socialist policies that, instead of actually spreading the risk so that health care is affordable, made it so that every one was/is equally miserable. Tell me Mr. VP of health and life insurance....Why would you consider a human being uninsurable? What kind of myopic underwriting manuals were you leashed to? BTW if you VPs of health insurance are so damn smart why is Obamacare so sysfunctional?

As a matter of fact, Leo, i considered actuarially produced underwriting manuals as advice only. I am the one that made the life and death decisions, and my guideline was quite simple. Is this person likely to cost my company more claims than he will pay in premium?

And, since you are so enthusiastic about spreading the risk, I am sure that you would be 1000% in favor of expanding Medicare to insure the entire population, which is the only solution that would work, and, I might add, has been adopted to one degree of another by every industrialized nation in the world, except for the US.

 

[dblack]

I hate any program that turns voters' good intentions into a corporate feeding trough.

The feeding trough is for rich Democrats who get $$$$ from the corporations they so vehemently decry in their false, fake news statements.

Oh, there's plenty of room for both parties.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Yeah. If you're saying there will never be a market for selling insurance to people who are already sick, you're right. The concept makes no sense. Health insurance is for people who are currently healthy, to insure themselves in case they get sick. It's not a "golden ticket" that scores you free health care.

STOP THE PRESSES! "Conservative expresses zero compassion for those dying for lack of insurance"

Who would have guessed?

Fuck you. I have plenty of compassion for people in need. I just don't any patience with insurance industry crooks trying to get in bed with government.

Then you should be hoping for Medicare for all under single payer.

No, Black hates Medicare, too. All those old sick geezers should be turned into Soylent Green.

I hate any program that turns voters' good intentions into a corporate feeding trough.

Damn! You are catching on to Trump's spending millions of dollars of the government money at his resorts when he spends his weekends there, and houses all of his guests and the secret service there every week when he plays golf!

 

[dblack]

STOP THE PRESSES! "Conservative expresses zero compassion for those dying for lack of insurance"

Who would have guessed?

Fuck you. I have plenty of compassion for people in need. I just don't any patience with insurance industry crooks trying to get in bed with government.

Then you should be hoping for Medicare for all under single payer.

No, Black hates Medicare, too. All those old sick geezers should be turned into Soylent Green.

I hate any program that turns voters' good intentions into a corporate feeding trough.

Damn! You are catching on to Trump's spending millions of dollars of the government money at his resorts when he spends his weekends there, and houses all of his guests and the secret service there every week when he plays golf!

Trump is a shitstain. So what? Are you looking for a diversion?

The Berninators will convince themselves that single payer will remove profiteering insurance companies from the mix. But you and I know better, don't we?

 

[oreo]

It's the congress that writes the legislation for Health Care, not TRUMP.

Oh look...the left-wing fascist is suddenly a constitutional conservative when his candidate is not in power.

Here’s the thing my fragile little snowflake - President Trump’s Executive Order is 100% legal. He’s not attempting to alter law (like Barack Insane Obama used to do). All he did was correct an unconstitutional abomination. No more illegal subsidies.

I have never agreed with Executive orders dumbass. I don't how many times I have to tell you that I was a life-long Republican before you made this Ass Clown the poster boy of the Republican party, and then I switched my party status and followed the advice of a long time friend and former staffer of RONALD REAGAN.



Trump's executive order on this is a bullshit executive order--to send a pee stream down your leg.

1. Insurers are not going to change their existing mandates within their policies unless a bill is signed into law.
2. Credible--major health insurers will not sell policies across state lines, (without) charging an extreme premium to meet the existing mandates within Obamacare. (It will still be cheaper to buy in state insurance.)
3. Congress holds the purse strings and they are NOT going to fund an executive order to rearrange a health care system when they have no approved bill to do it.
4. Hospitals and doctors, are not going to accept radom insurance companies billing them for services if they are not licensed in that state to provide medical insurance.
5. It costs millions of dollars for a credible insurance company to move into a state, and they choose the states they want to operate in, not TRUMP.

It's not rocket science.

What Trump has done is open the door wide open to a lot of FRAUD. There will be people who will open up insurance companies--claiming to provide medical insurance--at a greatly reduced price that will NOT cover catastrophic (hospitalization & surgery) and you Trump supporters will be stupid enough to buy it. You'll be thanking Trump all the way to the hospital until you get your bill.--

 

[Leo123]

Well, I guess that they are going to throw me in the slammer, then, because I made a very good living as a health insurance executive for 50 years...

Yeah, you so funny.....NOT! You were selling snake-oil. Read the link I provided and provide something other than stupid rhetoric. Otherwise I have to conclude that you don't care to research what you write or even do.

Leo, as VP of health and life underwriting for 35 years, i am pretty sure that I know who was insurable and who was not. The underwriting manual was designed to weed out 25% to 30% of individual applicants, including all pregnant women, It was 3 inches thick, and the ratio of declinations to acceptance for people over age 55 was 40%, and over 60 was 50%. The declinations were uninsurable at any price. now, if you want to go after all of the life and health insurance educational designations that I earned, including HIAA, CLU, ChFC, FLIMI, etc, please do so, and then come back and talk to me about this subject, which you presently know absolutely nothing about.

You only underwrote what you were told to underwrite using government regulations and failed business models. I don't blame you it's a whole system that government made dysfunctional as liberal, socialist policies that, instead of actually spreading the risk so that health care is affordable, made it so that every one was/is equally miserable. Tell me Mr. VP of health and life insurance....Why would you consider a human being uninsurable? What kind of myopic underwriting manuals were you leashed to? BTW if you VPs of health insurance are so damn smart why is Obamacare so sysfunctional?

As a matter of fact, Leo, i considered actuarially produced underwriting manuals as advice only. I am the one that made the life and death decisions, and my guideline was quite simple. Is this person likely to cost my company more claims than he will pay in premium?

And, since you are so enthusiastic about spreading the risk, I am sure that you would be 1000% in favor of expanding Medicare to insure the entire population, which is the only solution that would work, and, I might add, has been adopted to one degree of another by every industrialized nation in the world, except for the US.

You haven't understood what I am saying. Medicare is a government program that is going broke. I provided links read them. I am sorry you had to make life and death decisions....You must be haunted.

 

[P@triot]

I don't how many times I have to tell you that I was a life-long Republican before you made this Ass Clown the poster boy of the Republican party, and then I switched my party status

And I don’t know how many times I have to ignore you. You’re an immature asshat who - like rightwinger - pretends to be right-wing in hopes of earning some credibility.

You’re a life long progressive dumb ass. Your posts make that painfully clear. You’re a full-on left-wing socialist tool. And that’s why you are laughed at around the clock on this forum.

 

[oreo]

I don't how many times I have to tell you that I was a life-long Republican before you made this Ass Clown the poster boy of the Republican party, and then I switched my party status

And I don’t know how many times I have to ignore you. You’re an immature asshat who - like rightwinger - pretends to be right-wing in hopes of earning some credibility.

You’re a life long progressive dumb ass. Your posts make that painfully clear. You’re a full-on left-wing socialist tool. And that’s why you are laughed at around the clock on this forum.

No I am not---I have 16K posts on this board and it's easy to look at my past posts to see where my political leanings were.. You'll find out very quickly that I was a life long Republican UNTIL your Ass clown was nominated as the Poster Boy of the Republican party.

I am one of these people--
All Along I Thought Trump Wasn’t a Conservative/Republican, But Now I Realize I’m Not

 

[Vandalshandle]

Fuck you. I have plenty of compassion for people in need. I just don't any patience with insurance industry crooks trying to get in bed with government.

Then you should be hoping for Medicare for all under single payer.

No, Black hates Medicare, too. All those old sick geezers should be turned into Soylent Green.

I hate any program that turns voters' good intentions into a corporate feeding trough.

Damn! You are catching on to Trump's spending millions of dollars of the government money at his resorts when he spends his weekends there, and houses all of his guests and the secret service there every week when he plays golf!

Trump is a shitstain. So what? Are you looking for a diversion?

The Berninators will convince themselves that single payer will remove profiteering insurance companies from the mix. But you and I know better, don't we?

Insurance companies profit from Medicare only because Congress has allowed them to offer Advantage plans, with higher benefits than Medicare offers, at the exact same price, so I guess I am not all that upset about insurance companies being in the Medicare business.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Well, I guess that they are going to throw me in the slammer, then, because I made a very good living as a health insurance executive for 50 years...

Yeah, you so funny.....NOT! You were selling snake-oil. Read the link I provided and provide something other than stupid rhetoric. Otherwise I have to conclude that you don't care to research what you write or even do.

Leo, as VP of health and life underwriting for 35 years, i am pretty sure that I know who was insurable and who was not. The underwriting manual was designed to weed out 25% to 30% of individual applicants, including all pregnant women, It was 3 inches thick, and the ratio of declinations to acceptance for people over age 55 was 40%, and over 60 was 50%. The declinations were uninsurable at any price. now, if you want to go after all of the life and health insurance educational designations that I earned, including HIAA, CLU, ChFC, FLIMI, etc, please do so, and then come back and talk to me about this subject, which you presently know absolutely nothing about.

You only underwrote what you were told to underwrite using government regulations and failed business models. I don't blame you it's a whole system that government made dysfunctional as liberal, socialist policies that, instead of actually spreading the risk so that health care is affordable, made it so that every one was/is equally miserable. Tell me Mr. VP of health and life insurance....Why would you consider a human being uninsurable? What kind of myopic underwriting manuals were you leashed to? BTW if you VPs of health insurance are so damn smart why is Obamacare so sysfunctional?

As a matter of fact, Leo, i considered actuarially produced underwriting manuals as advice only. I am the one that made the life and death decisions, and my guideline was quite simple. Is this person likely to cost my company more claims than he will pay in premium?

And, since you are so enthusiastic about spreading the risk, I am sure that you would be 1000% in favor of expanding Medicare to insure the entire population, which is the only solution that would work, and, I might add, has been adopted to one degree of another by every industrialized nation in the world, except for the US.

You haven't understood what I am saying. Medicare is a government program that is going broke. I provided links read them. I am sorry you had to make life and death decisions....You must be haunted.

Yes, I know. I started my career in health insurance in June, 1966, which was one month before Medicare started, and I have been hearing now for 51 years that Medicare is going broke and is turning us all into communists, etc., etc., yadda, yadda, yadda.... meantime, I am getting the best insurance coverage i have ever had in my life, with the exception of the donut hole for RX, which is not a problem for me, because when I hit that, around July of each year, I buy the rest of my RX for the year in Mexico at 1/3rd the US price, and it is only 35 miles away.

 

[Leo123]

Yeah, you so funny.....NOT! You were selling snake-oil. Read the link I provided and provide something other than stupid rhetoric. Otherwise I have to conclude that you don't care to research what you write or even do.

Leo, as VP of health and life underwriting for 35 years, i am pretty sure that I know who was insurable and who was not. The underwriting manual was designed to weed out 25% to 30% of individual applicants, including all pregnant women, It was 3 inches thick, and the ratio of declinations to acceptance for people over age 55 was 40%, and over 60 was 50%. The declinations were uninsurable at any price. now, if you want to go after all of the life and health insurance educational designations that I earned, including HIAA, CLU, ChFC, FLIMI, etc, please do so, and then come back and talk to me about this subject, which you presently know absolutely nothing about.

You only underwrote what you were told to underwrite using government regulations and failed business models. I don't blame you it's a whole system that government made dysfunctional as liberal, socialist policies that, instead of actually spreading the risk so that health care is affordable, made it so that every one was/is equally miserable. Tell me Mr. VP of health and life insurance....Why would you consider a human being uninsurable? What kind of myopic underwriting manuals were you leashed to? BTW if you VPs of health insurance are so damn smart why is Obamacare so sysfunctional?

As a matter of fact, Leo, i considered actuarially produced underwriting manuals as advice only. I am the one that made the life and death decisions, and my guideline was quite simple. Is this person likely to cost my company more claims than he will pay in premium?

And, since you are so enthusiastic about spreading the risk, I am sure that you would be 1000% in favor of expanding Medicare to insure the entire population, which is the only solution that would work, and, I might add, has been adopted to one degree of another by every industrialized nation in the world, except for the US.

You haven't understood what I am saying. Medicare is a government program that is going broke. I provided links read them. I am sorry you had to make life and death decisions....You must be haunted.

Yes, I know. I started my career in health insurance in June, 1966, which was one month before Medicare started, and I have been hearing now for 51 years that Medicare is going broke and is turning us all into communists, etc., etc., yadda, yadda, yadda.... meantime, I am getting the best insurance coverage i have ever had in my life, with the exception of the donut hole for RX, which is not a problem for me, because when I hit that, around July of each year, I buy the rest of my RX for the year in Mexico at 1/3rd the US price, and it is only 35 miles away.

I don't believe that Medicare is turning us into communists I just think that it is antiquated. We were not supposed to live as long as we are living and our children were supposed to provide a work force to support the elderly through that government program. Today, we have the few young supporting the aging, burgeoning, 'Baby Boomer' population and, on top of that, a government bureaucracy that is skimming tax dollars . Progressive policies (birth control, feminists, abortion) have had a limiting factor on our birth rate. It is way past time to rethink our socialist healthcare and the solution, IMO, is NOT more socialism but rather associations that can take care of primary care and catastrophic health insurance that could be provided by a single payer. Medicare could still be in place and would probably be more viable because the young would not be saddled with huge tax rates. Also, with affordable primary care, catastrophic health needs would, over time, be reduced.

 

[dblack]

Then you should be hoping for Medicare for all under single payer.

No, Black hates Medicare, too. All those old sick geezers should be turned into Soylent Green.

I hate any program that turns voters' good intentions into a corporate feeding trough.

Damn! You are catching on to Trump's spending millions of dollars of the government money at his resorts when he spends his weekends there, and houses all of his guests and the secret service there every week when he plays golf!

Trump is a shitstain. So what? Are you looking for a diversion?

The Berninators will convince themselves that single payer will remove profiteering insurance companies from the mix. But you and I know better, don't we?

Insurance companies profit from Medicare only because Congress has allowed them to offer Advantage plans, with higher benefits than Medicare offers, at the exact same price, so I guess I am not all that upset about insurance companies being in the Medicare business.

LOL - I didn't suppose you would be.

 

[Clementine]

here read up:

"It’s ironic. Notwithstanding the many outrageous, mendacious things the president says and tweets, the press is aghast that his “fake news” tropes against mainstream-media stalwarts resonate with much of the country. Well, if you want to know why, this latest Obamacare coverage is why. What Trump has actually done is end the illegal payoffs without which insurance companies have no rational choice but to jack up premiums or flee the Obamacare exchanges. The culprits here are the charlatans who gave us Obamacare. To portray Trump as the bad guy is not merely fake news. It’s an out-and-out lie."

Read more at: Trump Faithfully Executes Obamacare; Media, Democrats Go Nuts

you're an idiot.
Trump is sabatoging Obamacare.

Steve Bannon Says President Cut Off Obamacare Payments To Destroy Health Law | HuffPost

You mean enforcing it to the letter is sabotaging

From the start, Republicans have been bashed for actually insisting that the law function as it was written, without the delays, exemptions and other changes.

The left bitched loudly when the right thought congress should be subjected to the law. The left cried that it was unfair for the people working for them to be forced into Obamacare because they couldn't afford it. Funny, everyone had the same problem but not a drop of sympathy for the average person getting soaked.

Congress made special provisions for themselves because they weren't willing to settle for an inferior plan.

Unions, who helped push the law, wanted exempt.

The IRS, who is in charge of upholding the law for all the working class people, wanted exempt.

Big Pharms immediately started making an obscene profit, which was just how they designed it.

People were priced right out of insurance. Millions either lost what they had or faced the hardship of paying up to three times as much for a plan and with the higher deductibles would still pay out of pocket fore all care.

The only people who like it are those who aren't paying or who get a huge discount. Illegal aliens are getting it free or for reduced rates.

The Dems plan was to slowly implement it so people wouldn't know all the horrible details right away.

The plan was designed to implode in order to bring in single payer. That would have been Hillary's duty.

As it is, Obamacare sucks and it has from the start. Many doctors and hospitals refused to accept Obamacare patients. Research hospitals refused Obamacare patients. What good is having a plan if no one will accept it?

Dems pat themselves on the back for insuring some people but they don't talk about the fact that insurance doesn't mean assessing healthcare and they refuse to talk about the millions of people they fucked over with this plan.

 

[Care4all]

FYI-illegal aliens DO NOT GET O-Care...

it's simply not true that they do qualify....they do not.

 

[P@triot]

FYI-illegal aliens DO NOT GET O-Care...

it's simply not true that they do qualify....they do not.

FYI - illegal aliens get everything because progressives are willing to surrender U.S. sovereignty in exchange for power. They get free education, free housing, free food, and yes - free healthcare.

 

[Care4all]

FYI-illegal aliens DO NOT GET O-Care...

it's simply not true that they do qualify....they do not.

FYI - illegal aliens get everything because progressives are willing to surrender U.S. sovereignty in exchange for power. They get free education, free housing, free food, and yes - free healthcare.

Proof it's free to them....? If they work, it's not free...they pay taxes.....especially sales taxes... that's why Texas and Florida operate on sales taxes and not a State income tax just so these States can get their illegal population paying State taxes.

I'm not saying it's ok to be an illegal, just saying they pay more local and state taxes than you think.