Trumps Executive order Fu+ks People with Pre-Existing Conditions

[dblack]

"Free market" healthcare assumes that some insurer will sell insurance to someone with cancer. ...

No it doesn't. Where did you get that idea?

That is so elementary that it does not even warrant a serious response. But, I will give you a hint. In the free market of automobiles, if Ford does not produce a pickup truck that meets your needs, you can always by a GMC instead.

And if GMC failed to meet your needs, would you then conclude it wasn't a free market? A free market makes no such assurances.

Come on, Black, you are stretching your point. The basis of a "free market' is that competitors produce lower prices and better quality. There is no insurance company in the US that is competing for cancer and heart disease victims. In short, there is no "free market" in health insurance.

Yeah. If you're saying there will never be a market for selling insurance to people who are already sick, you're right. The concept makes no sense. Health insurance is for people who are currently healthy, to insure themselves in case they get sick. It's not a "golden ticket" that scores you free health care.

 

[ScienceRocks]

In republican land it is all about money! It has nothing to do with life or well being.

This is why they hate single payer and want to keep our current private sector cluster fuck.

 

[dblack]

In republican land it is all about money! It has nothing to do with life or well being.

This is why they hate single payer and want to keep our current private sector cluster fuck.

Are you talking about ACA?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Come on, Black, you are stretching your point. The basis of a "free market' is that competitors produce lower prices and better quality. There is no insurance company in the US that is competing for cancer and heart disease victims. In short, there is no "free market" in health insurance.

You don't have any idea what real health insurance is.

Health Insurance Is Illegal | Warren C. Gibson

'Health insurance is a crime. No, I’m not using a metaphor. I’m not saying it’s a mess, though it certainly is that. I’m saying it’s illegal to offer real health insurance in America. To see why, we need to understand what real insurance is and differentiate that from what we currently have.'

'Some lessons here are that genuine health insurance would offer enormous cost savings to ordinary people — and genuine benefits to policyholders. These plans would encourage thrift and consumer wisdom in health care planning, while discouraging the overconsumption that makes prepaid health care unaffordable.'

Some of you really should try to think beyond the radical left MSM Democrat pablum you consume on a daily basis.

Well, I guess that they are going to throw me in the slammer, then, because I made a very good living as a health insurance executive for 50 years...

 

[Vandalshandle]

"Free market" healthcare assumes that some insurer will sell insurance to someone with cancer. ...

No it doesn't. Where did you get that idea?

That is so elementary that it does not even warrant a serious response. But, I will give you a hint. In the free market of automobiles, if Ford does not produce a pickup truck that meets your needs, you can always by a GMC instead.

And if GMC failed to meet your needs, would you then conclude it wasn't a free market? A free market makes no such assurances.

Come on, Black, you are stretching your point. The basis of a "free market' is that competitors produce lower prices and better quality. There is no insurance company in the US that is competing for cancer and heart disease victims. In short, there is no "free market" in health insurance.

Yeah. If you're saying there will never be a market for selling insurance to people who are already sick, you're right. The concept makes no sense. Health insurance is for people who are currently healthy, to insure themselves in case they get sick. It's not a "golden ticket" that scores you free health care.

STOP THE PRESSES! "Conservative expresses zero compassion for those dying for lack of insurance"

Who would have guessed?

 

[Leo123]

"Free market" healthcare assumes that some insurer will sell insurance to someone with cancer. ...

No it doesn't. Where did you get that idea?

That is so elementary that it does not even warrant a serious response. But, I will give you a hint. In the free market of automobiles, if Ford does not produce a pickup truck that meets your needs, you can always by a GMC instead.

And if GMC failed to meet your needs, would you then conclude it wasn't a free market? A free market makes no such assurances.

Come on, Black, you are stretching your point. The basis of a "free market' is that competitors produce lower prices and better quality. There is no insurance company in the US that is competing for cancer and heart disease victims. In short, there is no "free market" in health insurance.

Yeah. If you're saying there will never be a market for selling insurance to people who are already sick, you're right. The concept makes no sense. Health insurance is for people who are currently healthy, to insure themselves in case they get sick. It's not a "golden ticket" that scores you free health care.

In republican land it is all about money! It has nothing to do with life or well being.

This is why they hate single payer and want to keep our current private sector cluster fuck.

MOST people are healthy. MOST people could afford to spend $50 to $100 a month for primary health care. Government is trying to force the majority to take care of the minority by spreading the pain around equally. What they don't tell you is that government increases costs 90% or more. If government left healthcare basically alone catastrophic healthcare and existing conditions would be very affordable and available and much lower cost and there would be more tax dollars available to take care of the truly handicapped. Today the truly handicapped are being robbed by government programs that give money to single mothers and the able bodied through political government giveaway for votes programs.

 

[Leo123]

Well, I guess that they are going to throw me in the slammer, then, because I made a very good living as a health insurance executive for 50 years...

Yeah, you so funny.....NOT! You were selling snake-oil. Read the link I provided and provide something other than stupid rhetoric. Otherwise I have to conclude that you don't care to research what you write or even do.

 

[ScienceRocks]

No it doesn't. Where did you get that idea?

That is so elementary that it does not even warrant a serious response. But, I will give you a hint. In the free market of automobiles, if Ford does not produce a pickup truck that meets your needs, you can always by a GMC instead.

And if GMC failed to meet your needs, would you then conclude it wasn't a free market? A free market makes no such assurances.

Come on, Black, you are stretching your point. The basis of a "free market' is that competitors produce lower prices and better quality. There is no insurance company in the US that is competing for cancer and heart disease victims. In short, there is no "free market" in health insurance.

Yeah. If you're saying there will never be a market for selling insurance to people who are already sick, you're right. The concept makes no sense. Health insurance is for people who are currently healthy, to insure themselves in case they get sick. It's not a "golden ticket" that scores you free health care.

STOP THE PRESSES! "Conservative expresses zero compassion for those dying for lack of insurance"

Who would have guessed?

What's really amazing is the reality that our private healthcare system is shit and is quite bad for the people under it. Single payer on the other hand covers everyone and the lower, middle and middle upper class have more money at the end of the day to invest in the local economy.

Conservatives only care about the top 1-2% of our society.

 

[dblack]

No it doesn't. Where did you get that idea?

That is so elementary that it does not even warrant a serious response. But, I will give you a hint. In the free market of automobiles, if Ford does not produce a pickup truck that meets your needs, you can always by a GMC instead.

And if GMC failed to meet your needs, would you then conclude it wasn't a free market? A free market makes no such assurances.

Come on, Black, you are stretching your point. The basis of a "free market' is that competitors produce lower prices and better quality. There is no insurance company in the US that is competing for cancer and heart disease victims. In short, there is no "free market" in health insurance.

Yeah. If you're saying there will never be a market for selling insurance to people who are already sick, you're right. The concept makes no sense. Health insurance is for people who are currently healthy, to insure themselves in case they get sick. It's not a "golden ticket" that scores you free health care.

STOP THE PRESSES! "Conservative expresses zero compassion for those dying for lack of insurance"

Who would have guessed?

Fuck you. I have plenty of compassion for people in need. I just don't any patience with insurance industry crooks trying to get in bed with government.

 

[Lewdog]

That is so elementary that it does not even warrant a serious response. But, I will give you a hint. In the free market of automobiles, if Ford does not produce a pickup truck that meets your needs, you can always by a GMC instead.

And if GMC failed to meet your needs, would you then conclude it wasn't a free market? A free market makes no such assurances.

Come on, Black, you are stretching your point. The basis of a "free market' is that competitors produce lower prices and better quality. There is no insurance company in the US that is competing for cancer and heart disease victims. In short, there is no "free market" in health insurance.

Yeah. If you're saying there will never be a market for selling insurance to people who are already sick, you're right. The concept makes no sense. Health insurance is for people who are currently healthy, to insure themselves in case they get sick. It's not a "golden ticket" that scores you free health care.

STOP THE PRESSES! "Conservative expresses zero compassion for those dying for lack of insurance"

Who would have guessed?

Fuck you. I have plenty of compassion for people in need. I just don't any patience with insurance industry crooks trying to get in bed with government.

Then you should be hoping for Medicare for all under single payer.

 

[TheDude]

I'll play. Being money doesn't grow as liberals illusion, I'll TRADE higher premiums or fewer benefits for gays, smokers, obese, too many kids on welfare, drugs and alcohol, birth control, inmates, and we control our mother fucking borders, with no welfare insurance for illegals, FOR better insurance for pre-existing conditions?


Fair enough? Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Well, I guess that they are going to throw me in the slammer, then, because I made a very good living as a health insurance executive for 50 years...

Yeah, you so funny.....NOT! You were selling snake-oil. Read the link I provided and provide something other than stupid rhetoric. Otherwise I have to conclude that you don't care to research what you write or even do.

Leo, as VP of health and life underwriting for 35 years, i am pretty sure that I know who was insurable and who was not. The underwriting manual was designed to weed out 25% to 30% of individual applicants, including all pregnant women, It was 3 inches thick, and the ratio of declinations to acceptance for people over age 55 was 40%, and over 60 was 50%. The declinations were uninsurable at any price. now, if you want to go after all of the life and health insurance educational designations that I earned, including HIAA, CLU, ChFC, FLIMI, etc, please do so, and then come back and talk to me about this subject, which you presently know absolutely nothing about.

 

[Vandalshandle]

And if GMC failed to meet your needs, would you then conclude it wasn't a free market? A free market makes no such assurances.

Come on, Black, you are stretching your point. The basis of a "free market' is that competitors produce lower prices and better quality. There is no insurance company in the US that is competing for cancer and heart disease victims. In short, there is no "free market" in health insurance.

Yeah. If you're saying there will never be a market for selling insurance to people who are already sick, you're right. The concept makes no sense. Health insurance is for people who are currently healthy, to insure themselves in case they get sick. It's not a "golden ticket" that scores you free health care.

STOP THE PRESSES! "Conservative expresses zero compassion for those dying for lack of insurance"

Who would have guessed?

Fuck you. I have plenty of compassion for people in need. I just don't any patience with insurance industry crooks trying to get in bed with government.

Then you should be hoping for Medicare for all under single payer.

No, Black hates Medicare, too. All those old sick geezers should be turned into Soylent Green.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Why would he do this to millions of sick people getting treatments for survival , including young children?.

Separately, the order would allow consumers to buy short-term policies, which don't have to comply with Obamacare's protections for those with pre-existing conditions. Also, it looks to broaden the ability of employers to give workers money to buy their own coverage through health reimbursement arrangements, known as HRAs.


Trump begins Obamacare dismantling with executive order - CNNPolitics

it screws everyone ...

but isn't that what the internet troll as president wants.... that's what makes his disgusting "base" happy.

DERP

You're dumb as a fucking brick, Jilly.

Obamacare is still there for any who chose to pay the inflated price for it.

Freedom is what you hate.

 

[dblack]

And if GMC failed to meet your needs, would you then conclude it wasn't a free market? A free market makes no such assurances.

Come on, Black, you are stretching your point. The basis of a "free market' is that competitors produce lower prices and better quality. There is no insurance company in the US that is competing for cancer and heart disease victims. In short, there is no "free market" in health insurance.

Yeah. If you're saying there will never be a market for selling insurance to people who are already sick, you're right. The concept makes no sense. Health insurance is for people who are currently healthy, to insure themselves in case they get sick. It's not a "golden ticket" that scores you free health care.

STOP THE PRESSES! "Conservative expresses zero compassion for those dying for lack of insurance"

Who would have guessed?

Fuck you. I have plenty of compassion for people in need. I just don't any patience with insurance industry crooks trying to get in bed with government.

Then you should be hoping for Medicare for all under single payer.

Are you going for irony? Let's read about the insurance industry in bed with government:

33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership || CMA

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of the compromises made in order to pass Medicare in 1965 – and the public-private partnership continues to date.

Indeed, the entities granting or denying coverage, and those deciding whether or not to pay claims, are mostly private insurance companies. For example, Anthem is the parent company of “National Government Services,” one of the major Medicare claims administrators. Another Medicare administrative contractor, “MAXIMUS,” is a for-profit company that helps state, federal and foreign governments administer programs.

In addition, about 30% of Medicare beneficiaries are enrolled in private “Medicare Advantage” plans. These plans are also run by private companies, mostly within the insurance industry, and they make Medicare initial coverage decisions for their enrollees.

We know that when Medicare is working right and covering necessary care, everyone is content. But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.

 

[Lewdog]

Come on, Black, you are stretching your point. The basis of a "free market' is that competitors produce lower prices and better quality. There is no insurance company in the US that is competing for cancer and heart disease victims. In short, there is no "free market" in health insurance.

Yeah. If you're saying there will never be a market for selling insurance to people who are already sick, you're right. The concept makes no sense. Health insurance is for people who are currently healthy, to insure themselves in case they get sick. It's not a "golden ticket" that scores you free health care.

STOP THE PRESSES! "Conservative expresses zero compassion for those dying for lack of insurance"

Who would have guessed?

Fuck you. I have plenty of compassion for people in need. I just don't any patience with insurance industry crooks trying to get in bed with government.

Then you should be hoping for Medicare for all under single payer.

Are you going for irony? Let's read about the insurance industry in bed with government:

33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership || CMA

Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of the compromises made in order to pass Medicare in 1965 – and the public-private partnership continues to date.

Indeed, the entities granting or denying coverage, and those deciding whether or not to pay claims, are mostly private insurance companies. For example, Anthem is the parent company of “National Government Services,” one of the major Medicare claims administrators. Another Medicare administrative contractor, “MAXIMUS,” is a for-profit company that helps state, federal and foreign governments administer programs.

In addition, about 30% of Medicare beneficiaries are enrolled in private “Medicare Advantage” plans. These plans are also run by private companies, mostly within the insurance industry, and they make Medicare initial coverage decisions for their enrollees.

We know that when Medicare is working right and covering necessary care, everyone is content. But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.

Nope. And things would change if it was Medicare for all.

 

[dblack]

Nope. And things would change if it was Medicare for all.

Yes, I can see it now: with a wave of Bernie's magic wand, all the Congress cretin's who've been selling us out to the insurance industry will suddenly have a change of heart and sing kumbaya.

 

[Leo123]

Well, I guess that they are going to throw me in the slammer, then, because I made a very good living as a health insurance executive for 50 years...

Yeah, you so funny.....NOT! You were selling snake-oil. Read the link I provided and provide something other than stupid rhetoric. Otherwise I have to conclude that you don't care to research what you write or even do.

Leo, as VP of health and life underwriting for 35 years, i am pretty sure that I know who was insurable and who was not. The underwriting manual was designed to weed out 25% to 30% of individual applicants, including all pregnant women, It was 3 inches thick, and the ratio of declinations to acceptance for people over age 55 was 40%, and over 60 was 50%. The declinations were uninsurable at any price. now, if you want to go after all of the life and health insurance educational designations that I earned, including HIAA, CLU, ChFC, FLIMI, etc, please do so, and then come back and talk to me about this subject, which you presently know absolutely nothing about.

You only underwrote what you were told to underwrite using government regulations and failed business models. I don't blame you it's a whole system that government made dysfunctional as liberal, socialist policies that, instead of actually spreading the risk so that health care is affordable, made it so that every one was/is equally miserable. Tell me Mr. VP of health and life insurance....Why would you consider a human being uninsurable? What kind of myopic underwriting manuals were you leashed to? BTW if you VPs of health insurance are so damn smart why is Obamacare so sysfunctional?

 

[Leo123]

Nope. And things would change if it was Medicare for all.

Yes, I can see it now: with a wave of Bernie's magic wand, all the Congress cretin's who've been selling us out to the insurance industry will suddenly have a change of heart and sing kumbaya.

Actually it would be a windfall to the insurance industry....not so good for everyday folks though.

 

[Leo123]

No, Black hates Medicare, too. All those old sick geezers should be turned into Soylent Green.

Yeah, I figured you were soulless. Let's start with yo mamma.