Trump's Deutsche Bank loan leak foreshadows coming investigations

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There was no election and he inserted himself into the situation on our behalf.

That's not accurate. There was a sham election, in which opposition candidates were banned from running. And Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in the country, not some arbitrary American shill. Your bombastic language discredits you,especially when it is on shaky factual ground.

 

[McRocket]

More leftist loser talk. You’ve got squat and can’t stand that your lying piece of shit queen lost. **** off already.


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LOL...guess again loser...I have NEVER voted for either a Dem OR a Rep. And I never will.

I am not the pathetic loser who blindly believes in a political candidate. Especially one as stupid as Trump. You got conned, mate.

Top 10 Reasons To Doubt Trump Is Even A Billionaire
Is Donald Trump Not Really a Billionaire?
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Now why don't you provide factual, unbiased proof that Trump IS worth over $10 billion? Like, his tax returns?

You can't and you know it. You are like those pathetic God Club people...no facts to go on...just a leap of faith. Pathetic.


Your messiah is a liar. And would be nothing if it were not for his rich Daddy.


We are done here.

Have a nice day.

BTW - Clinton won the popular vote. So in my book, she won.

Isn't it interesting, the contortionism required to be a believing american citizen. Our bastion of democracy; elects presidents with a minority of votes, backs a Venezuelan "leader" it trained here, who swears himself in, in a nation we want to take over for resource extraction, because we don't like their economic system, and because they went off of the dollar.

Fweedumb.

Really.

I would LOVE to see what Trump/the world would say about the Venezuelan elections if suddenly they announced that they lied about their oil resources and they are all gone.

Suddenly, the world wouldn't give a shit.

People can starve to death in Yemen and no one cares....because there is nothing in Yemen that the world wants.

But if Venezuela has a problem and the world sees a way in to install a puppet...they are all over it.

Pathetic does not begin to describe it.

Yeah, but the resource is only one leg of the stool that gives US "the right" to take out other govts. They also went off of the dollar, and we don't like their economic system; it won't allow our corporations to sodomize the public like we allow them to do ours.

Yeah, but without the oil, Venezuela has no power so few would care what they are doing with the dollar. I doubt America would care if Nauru suddenly would never accept US dollars.

Oil is the beginning and the end of the West's interest in that unfortunately country, IMO.

 

[H B Lowrie]

More leftist loser talk. You’ve got squat and can’t stand that your lying piece of shit queen lost. **** off already.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

LOL...guess again loser...I have NEVER voted for either a Dem OR a Rep. And I never will.

I am not the pathetic loser who blindly believes in a political candidate. Especially one as stupid as Trump. You got conned, mate.

Top 10 Reasons To Doubt Trump Is Even A Billionaire
Is Donald Trump Not Really a Billionaire?
Is Donald Trump Worth $3 Billion or $10 Billion?

Now why don't you provide factual, unbiased proof that Trump IS worth over $10 billion? Like, his tax returns?

You can't and you know it. You are like those pathetic God Club people...no facts to go on...just a leap of faith. Pathetic.


Your messiah is a liar. And would be nothing if it were not for his rich Daddy.


We are done here.

Have a nice day.

BTW - Clinton won the popular vote. So in my book, she won.

Isn't it interesting, the contortionism required to be a believing american citizen. Our bastion of democracy; elects presidents with a minority of votes, backs a Venezuelan "leader" it trained here, who swears himself in, in a nation we want to take over for resource extraction, because we don't like their economic system, and because they went off of the dollar.

Fweedumb.

Really.

I would LOVE to see what Trump/the world would say about the Venezuelan elections if suddenly they announced that they lied about their oil resources and they are all gone.

Suddenly, the world wouldn't give a shit.

People can starve to death in Yemen and no one cares....because there is nothing in Yemen that the world wants.

But if Venezuela has a problem and the world sees a way in to install a puppet...they are all over it.

Pathetic does not begin to describe it.

Yeah, but the resource is only one leg of the stool that gives US "the right" to take out other govts. They also went off of the dollar, and we don't like their economic system; it won't allow our corporations to sodomize the public like we allow them to do ours.

Yeah, but without the oil, Venezuela has no power so few would care what they are doing with the dollar. I doubt America would care if Nauru suddenly would never accept US dollars.

Oil is the beginning and the end of the West's interest in that unfortunately country, IMO.

My point was any of the three is enough.

 

[H B Lowrie]

There was no election and he inserted himself into the situation on our behalf.

That's not accurate. There was a sham election, in which opposition candidates were banned from running. And Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in the country, not some arbitrary American shill. Your bombastic language discredits you,especially when it is on shaky factual ground.

I mean, it was President Obama who declared Venezuela an unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States and put the first sort of sanctions on Venezuela officially. And that was just a couple years ago. And those were renewed this year before Trump really had a full understanding of what was taking place. So it’s really just been an ongoing escalation.

From the time Chavez first was elected in ’98 and those initial years when he didn’t comply with what the U.S. was looking for and always had in Venezuela as a client state that’s when the U.S. backed a coup against Chavez in 2002. And subsequently that sort of aggression just began increasing over the years.

So, I mean, now we’re just seeing sort of the culmination of it and the fact that they’re buckling down more. But, in the end, the relationship between the two countries remains generally the same. Venezuela is one of the principal suppliers of oil to the U.S. I mean, it’s a commercial relationship. They are interdependent. And in the end, there’s a lot of rhetoric back and forth. And, yes, there’s definitely an escalation of it now under Trump because the people sort of — that are pushing this this particular escalation, right now, that have Trump’s ear — are the more reactionary sectors of the Republican Party. Marco Rubio for example.

I mean, that’s what they’ve been looking for. They’ve been looking for a way to push regime change in Venezuela. But it really has nothing to do with a change in policy. It’s been a sort of a state policy of the United States towards Venezuela since the Chavez government.
THE BATTLE FOR VENEZUELA AND ITS OIL
The Battle for Venezuela and Its Oil

WASHINGTON HAS BEEN trying to topple Venezuela’s government for at least 17 years, but the Trump administration has taken a more openly aggressive tack than its predecessors. Last week, administration officials kicked their efforts into high gear by anointing their chosen successor to Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro Moros in advance of any coup d’etat. The 35-year-old Venezuelan member of Congress Juan Guaidó announced that he was now president, and the Trump administration, along with allied governments, immediately recognized him — in accordance with a previously arranged plan.

It is clear that President Donald Trump’s goal is regime change; his administration is not even trying to hide it. And his allies, like Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., have long made it obvious what they are after.
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way

Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America
Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America

The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News
The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News

The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon
The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon

 

[McRocket]

LOL...guess again loser...I have NEVER voted for either a Dem OR a Rep. And I never will.

I am not the pathetic loser who blindly believes in a political candidate. Especially one as stupid as Trump. You got conned, mate.

Top 10 Reasons To Doubt Trump Is Even A Billionaire
Is Donald Trump Not Really a Billionaire?
Is Donald Trump Worth $3 Billion or $10 Billion?

Now why don't you provide factual, unbiased proof that Trump IS worth over $10 billion? Like, his tax returns?

You can't and you know it. You are like those pathetic God Club people...no facts to go on...just a leap of faith. Pathetic.


Your messiah is a liar. And would be nothing if it were not for his rich Daddy.


We are done here.

Have a nice day.

BTW - Clinton won the popular vote. So in my book, she won.

Isn't it interesting, the contortionism required to be a believing american citizen. Our bastion of democracy; elects presidents with a minority of votes, backs a Venezuelan "leader" it trained here, who swears himself in, in a nation we want to take over for resource extraction, because we don't like their economic system, and because they went off of the dollar.

Fweedumb.

Really.

I would LOVE to see what Trump/the world would say about the Venezuelan elections if suddenly they announced that they lied about their oil resources and they are all gone.

Suddenly, the world wouldn't give a shit.

People can starve to death in Yemen and no one cares....because there is nothing in Yemen that the world wants.

But if Venezuela has a problem and the world sees a way in to install a puppet...they are all over it.

Pathetic does not begin to describe it.

Yeah, but the resource is only one leg of the stool that gives US "the right" to take out other govts. They also went off of the dollar, and we don't like their economic system; it won't allow our corporations to sodomize the public like we allow them to do ours.

Yeah, but without the oil, Venezuela has no power so few would care what they are doing with the dollar. I doubt America would care if Nauru suddenly would never accept US dollars.

Oil is the beginning and the end of the West's interest in that unfortunately country, IMO.

My point was any of the three is enough.

I understand. But again, without the oil, no one (outside of Venezuela) cares. It's just a poor, South American country.

Vietnam is communist. But I almost never here about it. Because it has little the West wants.

But I see your point.

Good day.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There was no election and he inserted himself into the situation on our behalf.

That's not accurate. There was a sham election, in which opposition candidates were banned from running. And Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in the country, not some arbitrary American shill. Your bombastic language discredits you,especially when it is on shaky factual ground.

I mean, it was President Obama who declared Venezuela an unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States and put the first sort of sanctions on Venezuela officially. And that was just a couple years ago. And those were renewed this year before Trump really had a full understanding of what was taking place. So it’s really just been an ongoing escalation.

From the time Chavez first was elected in ’98 and those initial years when he didn’t comply with what the U.S. was looking for and always had in Venezuela as a client state that’s when the U.S. backed a coup against Chavez in 2002. And subsequently that sort of aggression just began increasing over the years.

So, I mean, now we’re just seeing sort of the culmination of it and the fact that they’re buckling down more. But, in the end, the relationship between the two countries remains generally the same. Venezuela is one of the principal suppliers of oil to the U.S. I mean, it’s a commercial relationship. They are interdependent. And in the end, there’s a lot of rhetoric back and forth. And, yes, there’s definitely an escalation of it now under Trump because the people sort of — that are pushing this this particular escalation, right now, that have Trump’s ear — are the more reactionary sectors of the Republican Party. Marco Rubio for example.

I mean, that’s what they’ve been looking for. They’ve been looking for a way to push regime change in Venezuela. But it really has nothing to do with a change in policy. It’s been a sort of a state policy of the United States towards Venezuela since the Chavez government.
THE BATTLE FOR VENEZUELA AND ITS OIL
The Battle for Venezuela and Its Oil

WASHINGTON HAS BEEN trying to topple Venezuela’s government for at least 17 years, but the Trump administration has taken a more openly aggressive tack than its predecessors. Last week, administration officials kicked their efforts into high gear by anointing their chosen successor to Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro Moros in advance of any coup d’etat. The 35-year-old Venezuelan member of Congress Juan Guaidó announced that he was now president, and the Trump administration, along with allied governments, immediately recognized him — in accordance with a previously arranged plan.

It is clear that President Donald Trump’s goal is regime change; his administration is not even trying to hide it. And his allies, like Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., have long made it obvious what they are after.
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way

Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America
Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America

The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News
The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News

The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon
The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon

Nice opinion piece. But it is a fact that maduro has violated the Constitution and democratic process of venezuela. His days are numbered. And it is a fact that there was, indeed, an election, during which maduro illegally banned opposition candidates from running. It is also a fact that guiado I the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela, and constitutional duty falls on him to take charge and bring democracy back to Venezuela.

 

[H B Lowrie]

Isn't it interesting, the contortionism required to be a believing american citizen. Our bastion of democracy; elects presidents with a minority of votes, backs a Venezuelan "leader" it trained here, who swears himself in, in a nation we want to take over for resource extraction, because we don't like their economic system, and because they went off of the dollar.

Fweedumb.

Really.

I would LOVE to see what Trump/the world would say about the Venezuelan elections if suddenly they announced that they lied about their oil resources and they are all gone.

Suddenly, the world wouldn't give a shit.

People can starve to death in Yemen and no one cares....because there is nothing in Yemen that the world wants.

But if Venezuela has a problem and the world sees a way in to install a puppet...they are all over it.

Pathetic does not begin to describe it.

Yeah, but the resource is only one leg of the stool that gives US "the right" to take out other govts. They also went off of the dollar, and we don't like their economic system; it won't allow our corporations to sodomize the public like we allow them to do ours.

Yeah, but without the oil, Venezuela has no power so few would care what they are doing with the dollar. I doubt America would care if Nauru suddenly would never accept US dollars.

Oil is the beginning and the end of the West's interest in that unfortunately country, IMO.

My point was any of the three is enough.

I understand. But again, without the oil, no one (outside of Venezuela) cares. It's just a poor, South American country.

Vietnam is communist. But I almost never here about it. Because it has little the West wants.

But I see your point.

Good day.

I disagree, we have always had a hard on for any socialist economic system anywhere, but especially in "our" hemisphere.

 

[H B Lowrie]

There was no election and he inserted himself into the situation on our behalf.

That's not accurate. There was a sham election, in which opposition candidates were banned from running. And Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in the country, not some arbitrary American shill. Your bombastic language discredits you,especially when it is on shaky factual ground.

I mean, it was President Obama who declared Venezuela an unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States and put the first sort of sanctions on Venezuela officially. And that was just a couple years ago. And those were renewed this year before Trump really had a full understanding of what was taking place. So it’s really just been an ongoing escalation.

From the time Chavez first was elected in ’98 and those initial years when he didn’t comply with what the U.S. was looking for and always had in Venezuela as a client state that’s when the U.S. backed a coup against Chavez in 2002. And subsequently that sort of aggression just began increasing over the years.

So, I mean, now we’re just seeing sort of the culmination of it and the fact that they’re buckling down more. But, in the end, the relationship between the two countries remains generally the same. Venezuela is one of the principal suppliers of oil to the U.S. I mean, it’s a commercial relationship. They are interdependent. And in the end, there’s a lot of rhetoric back and forth. And, yes, there’s definitely an escalation of it now under Trump because the people sort of — that are pushing this this particular escalation, right now, that have Trump’s ear — are the more reactionary sectors of the Republican Party. Marco Rubio for example.

I mean, that’s what they’ve been looking for. They’ve been looking for a way to push regime change in Venezuela. But it really has nothing to do with a change in policy. It’s been a sort of a state policy of the United States towards Venezuela since the Chavez government.
THE BATTLE FOR VENEZUELA AND ITS OIL
The Battle for Venezuela and Its Oil

WASHINGTON HAS BEEN trying to topple Venezuela’s government for at least 17 years, but the Trump administration has taken a more openly aggressive tack than its predecessors. Last week, administration officials kicked their efforts into high gear by anointing their chosen successor to Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro Moros in advance of any coup d’etat. The 35-year-old Venezuelan member of Congress Juan Guaidó announced that he was now president, and the Trump administration, along with allied governments, immediately recognized him — in accordance with a previously arranged plan.

It is clear that President Donald Trump’s goal is regime change; his administration is not even trying to hide it. And his allies, like Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., have long made it obvious what they are after.
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way

Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America
Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America

The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News
The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News

The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon
The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon

Nice opinion piece. But it is a fact that maduro has violated the Constitution and democratic process of venezuela. His days are numbered. And it is a fact that there was, indeed, an election, during which maduro illegally banned opposition candidates from running. It is also a fact that guiado I the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela, and constitutional duty falls on him to take charge and bring democracy back to Venezuela.

We've been in there mucking about since Chavez got in. America, we'll run your nation for ya, whether you like it or not. Fweedumb, take it easy.

 

[Lesh]

Wait...so the ONLY bank even considering a loan to Trump (and one repeatedly sanctioned for involvement in money laundering) refused to bankroll the biggest Trump project of Trump's life (the Moscow Tower). And yet that project continued all the way through to the election.

How was Trump planning on financing it?

Anyone?

Putin?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There was no election and he inserted himself into the situation on our behalf.

That's not accurate. There was a sham election, in which opposition candidates were banned from running. And Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in the country, not some arbitrary American shill. Your bombastic language discredits you,especially when it is on shaky factual ground.

I mean, it was President Obama who declared Venezuela an unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States and put the first sort of sanctions on Venezuela officially. And that was just a couple years ago. And those were renewed this year before Trump really had a full understanding of what was taking place. So it’s really just been an ongoing escalation.

From the time Chavez first was elected in ’98 and those initial years when he didn’t comply with what the U.S. was looking for and always had in Venezuela as a client state that’s when the U.S. backed a coup against Chavez in 2002. And subsequently that sort of aggression just began increasing over the years.

So, I mean, now we’re just seeing sort of the culmination of it and the fact that they’re buckling down more. But, in the end, the relationship between the two countries remains generally the same. Venezuela is one of the principal suppliers of oil to the U.S. I mean, it’s a commercial relationship. They are interdependent. And in the end, there’s a lot of rhetoric back and forth. And, yes, there’s definitely an escalation of it now under Trump because the people sort of — that are pushing this this particular escalation, right now, that have Trump’s ear — are the more reactionary sectors of the Republican Party. Marco Rubio for example.

I mean, that’s what they’ve been looking for. They’ve been looking for a way to push regime change in Venezuela. But it really has nothing to do with a change in policy. It’s been a sort of a state policy of the United States towards Venezuela since the Chavez government.
THE BATTLE FOR VENEZUELA AND ITS OIL
The Battle for Venezuela and Its Oil

WASHINGTON HAS BEEN trying to topple Venezuela’s government for at least 17 years, but the Trump administration has taken a more openly aggressive tack than its predecessors. Last week, administration officials kicked their efforts into high gear by anointing their chosen successor to Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro Moros in advance of any coup d’etat. The 35-year-old Venezuelan member of Congress Juan Guaidó announced that he was now president, and the Trump administration, along with allied governments, immediately recognized him — in accordance with a previously arranged plan.

It is clear that President Donald Trump’s goal is regime change; his administration is not even trying to hide it. And his allies, like Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., have long made it obvious what they are after.
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way

Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America
Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America

The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News
The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News

The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon
The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon

Nice opinion piece. But it is a fact that maduro has violated the Constitution and democratic process of venezuela. His days are numbered. And it is a fact that there was, indeed, an election, during which maduro illegally banned opposition candidates from running. It is also a fact that guiado I the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela, and constitutional duty falls on him to take charge and bring democracy back to Venezuela.

We've been in there mucking about since Chavez got in. America, we'll run your nation for ya, whether you like it or not. Fweedumb, take it easy.

Neato!

But, the fact remains that maduro has completely undermined Venezuela Constitution and democracy, and Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. So guiado will eventually take the power.

 

[McRocket]

There was no election and he inserted himself into the situation on our behalf.

That's not accurate. There was a sham election, in which opposition candidates were banned from running. And Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in the country, not some arbitrary American shill. Your bombastic language discredits you,especially when it is on shaky factual ground.

Oh come on now.

Millions of people are starving to death in Yemen. Trump doesn't care about that.
Myanmar is a political mess...with the Rohingya getting cut down by the hundreds. Trump says little (if anything).
There are a bunch of countries in Africa with VERY iffy elections. Trump doesn't mention those (being shit hole countries, I guess).

The world (and the MSM) care about Venezuela for one reason...OIL.

There are LOTS of countries with FAR more corruption in the world. But NONE of them have the oil reserves of Venezuela.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/10-most-corrupt-countries-ranked-by-perception

If you seriously think the West's concern for Venezuela is humanitarian based...you are STAGGERINGLY naive.


Have a nice day.

 

[H B Lowrie]

There was no election and he inserted himself into the situation on our behalf.

That's not accurate. There was a sham election, in which opposition candidates were banned from running. And Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in the country, not some arbitrary American shill. Your bombastic language discredits you,especially when it is on shaky factual ground.

I mean, it was President Obama who declared Venezuela an unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States and put the first sort of sanctions on Venezuela officially. And that was just a couple years ago. And those were renewed this year before Trump really had a full understanding of what was taking place. So it’s really just been an ongoing escalation.

From the time Chavez first was elected in ’98 and those initial years when he didn’t comply with what the U.S. was looking for and always had in Venezuela as a client state that’s when the U.S. backed a coup against Chavez in 2002. And subsequently that sort of aggression just began increasing over the years.

So, I mean, now we’re just seeing sort of the culmination of it and the fact that they’re buckling down more. But, in the end, the relationship between the two countries remains generally the same. Venezuela is one of the principal suppliers of oil to the U.S. I mean, it’s a commercial relationship. They are interdependent. And in the end, there’s a lot of rhetoric back and forth. And, yes, there’s definitely an escalation of it now under Trump because the people sort of — that are pushing this this particular escalation, right now, that have Trump’s ear — are the more reactionary sectors of the Republican Party. Marco Rubio for example.

I mean, that’s what they’ve been looking for. They’ve been looking for a way to push regime change in Venezuela. But it really has nothing to do with a change in policy. It’s been a sort of a state policy of the United States towards Venezuela since the Chavez government.
THE BATTLE FOR VENEZUELA AND ITS OIL
The Battle for Venezuela and Its Oil

WASHINGTON HAS BEEN trying to topple Venezuela’s government for at least 17 years, but the Trump administration has taken a more openly aggressive tack than its predecessors. Last week, administration officials kicked their efforts into high gear by anointing their chosen successor to Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro Moros in advance of any coup d’etat. The 35-year-old Venezuelan member of Congress Juan Guaidó announced that he was now president, and the Trump administration, along with allied governments, immediately recognized him — in accordance with a previously arranged plan.

It is clear that President Donald Trump’s goal is regime change; his administration is not even trying to hide it. And his allies, like Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., have long made it obvious what they are after.
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way

Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America
Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America

The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News
The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News

The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon
The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon

Nice opinion piece. But it is a fact that maduro has violated the Constitution and democratic process of venezuela. His days are numbered. And it is a fact that there was, indeed, an election, during which maduro illegally banned opposition candidates from running. It is also a fact that guiado I the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela, and constitutional duty falls on him to take charge and bring democracy back to Venezuela.

We've been in there mucking about since Chavez got in. America, we'll run your nation for ya, whether you like it or not. Fweedumb, take it easy.

Neato!

But, the fact remains that maduro has completely undermined Venezuela Constitution and democracy, and Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. So guiado will eventually take the power.

Edward Bernays - Wikipedia

The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader
The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader

Same old american empire of illusion nonsense.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There was no election and he inserted himself into the situation on our behalf.

That's not accurate. There was a sham election, in which opposition candidates were banned from running. And Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in the country, not some arbitrary American shill. Your bombastic language discredits you,especially when it is on shaky factual ground.

Oh come on now.

Millions of people are starving to death in Yemen. Trump doesn't care about that.
Myanmar is a political mess...with the Rohingya getting cut down by the hundreds. Trump says little (if anything).
There are a bunch of countries in Africa with VERY iffy elections. Trump doesn't mention those (being shit hole countries, I guess).

The world (and the MSM) care about Venezuela for one reason...OIL.

There are LOTS of countries with FAR more corruption in the world. But NONE of them have the oil reserves of Venezuela.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/10-most-corrupt-countries-ranked-by-perception

If you seriously think the West's concern for Venezuela is humanitarian based...you are STAGGERINGLY naive.


Have a nice day.

I didn't claim it was humanaitarian based. Nor did I imply it. What in the world are you responding to....

Our interest there is OUR economic interest. Yes I understand that. Frankly, there are not many things more worth getting involved over than oil. All of our economy, society, and security depends on it. You can love or hate that fact, but it is, indeed, a fact.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That's not accurate. There was a sham election, in which opposition candidates were banned from running. And Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in the country, not some arbitrary American shill. Your bombastic language discredits you,especially when it is on shaky factual ground.

I mean, it was President Obama who declared Venezuela an unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States and put the first sort of sanctions on Venezuela officially. And that was just a couple years ago. And those were renewed this year before Trump really had a full understanding of what was taking place. So it’s really just been an ongoing escalation.

From the time Chavez first was elected in ’98 and those initial years when he didn’t comply with what the U.S. was looking for and always had in Venezuela as a client state that’s when the U.S. backed a coup against Chavez in 2002. And subsequently that sort of aggression just began increasing over the years.

So, I mean, now we’re just seeing sort of the culmination of it and the fact that they’re buckling down more. But, in the end, the relationship between the two countries remains generally the same. Venezuela is one of the principal suppliers of oil to the U.S. I mean, it’s a commercial relationship. They are interdependent. And in the end, there’s a lot of rhetoric back and forth. And, yes, there’s definitely an escalation of it now under Trump because the people sort of — that are pushing this this particular escalation, right now, that have Trump’s ear — are the more reactionary sectors of the Republican Party. Marco Rubio for example.

I mean, that’s what they’ve been looking for. They’ve been looking for a way to push regime change in Venezuela. But it really has nothing to do with a change in policy. It’s been a sort of a state policy of the United States towards Venezuela since the Chavez government.
THE BATTLE FOR VENEZUELA AND ITS OIL
The Battle for Venezuela and Its Oil

WASHINGTON HAS BEEN trying to topple Venezuela’s government for at least 17 years, but the Trump administration has taken a more openly aggressive tack than its predecessors. Last week, administration officials kicked their efforts into high gear by anointing their chosen successor to Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro Moros in advance of any coup d’etat. The 35-year-old Venezuelan member of Congress Juan Guaidó announced that he was now president, and the Trump administration, along with allied governments, immediately recognized him — in accordance with a previously arranged plan.

It is clear that President Donald Trump’s goal is regime change; his administration is not even trying to hide it. And his allies, like Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., have long made it obvious what they are after.
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way

Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America
Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America

The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News
The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News

The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon
The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon

Nice opinion piece. But it is a fact that maduro has violated the Constitution and democratic process of venezuela. His days are numbered. And it is a fact that there was, indeed, an election, during which maduro illegally banned opposition candidates from running. It is also a fact that guiado I the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela, and constitutional duty falls on him to take charge and bring democracy back to Venezuela.

We've been in there mucking about since Chavez got in. America, we'll run your nation for ya, whether you like it or not. Fweedumb, take it easy.

Neato!

But, the fact remains that maduro has completely undermined Venezuela Constitution and democracy, and Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. So guiado will eventually take the power.

Edward Bernays - Wikipedia

The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader
The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader

Same old american empire of illusion nonsense.

And yet the facts remain that maduro held an illegal election, while guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. And no number of opinion pieces is going to dislodge these facts

 

[H B Lowrie]

I mean, it was President Obama who declared Venezuela an unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States and put the first sort of sanctions on Venezuela officially. And that was just a couple years ago. And those were renewed this year before Trump really had a full understanding of what was taking place. So it’s really just been an ongoing escalation.

From the time Chavez first was elected in ’98 and those initial years when he didn’t comply with what the U.S. was looking for and always had in Venezuela as a client state that’s when the U.S. backed a coup against Chavez in 2002. And subsequently that sort of aggression just began increasing over the years.

So, I mean, now we’re just seeing sort of the culmination of it and the fact that they’re buckling down more. But, in the end, the relationship between the two countries remains generally the same. Venezuela is one of the principal suppliers of oil to the U.S. I mean, it’s a commercial relationship. They are interdependent. And in the end, there’s a lot of rhetoric back and forth. And, yes, there’s definitely an escalation of it now under Trump because the people sort of — that are pushing this this particular escalation, right now, that have Trump’s ear — are the more reactionary sectors of the Republican Party. Marco Rubio for example.

I mean, that’s what they’ve been looking for. They’ve been looking for a way to push regime change in Venezuela. But it really has nothing to do with a change in policy. It’s been a sort of a state policy of the United States towards Venezuela since the Chavez government.
THE BATTLE FOR VENEZUELA AND ITS OIL
The Battle for Venezuela and Its Oil

WASHINGTON HAS BEEN trying to topple Venezuela’s government for at least 17 years, but the Trump administration has taken a more openly aggressive tack than its predecessors. Last week, administration officials kicked their efforts into high gear by anointing their chosen successor to Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro Moros in advance of any coup d’etat. The 35-year-old Venezuelan member of Congress Juan Guaidó announced that he was now president, and the Trump administration, along with allied governments, immediately recognized him — in accordance with a previously arranged plan.

It is clear that President Donald Trump’s goal is regime change; his administration is not even trying to hide it. And his allies, like Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., have long made it obvious what they are after.
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way
The U.S. Helped Push Venezuela Into Chaos — and Trump’s Regime Change Policy Will Make Sure It Stays That Way

Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America
Your Complete Guide to the N.Y. Times’ Support of U.S.-Backed Coups in Latin America

The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News
The CIA’s Masterful Use of Fake News

The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon
The Arms Industry Is Taking Over Trump’s Pentagon

Nice opinion piece. But it is a fact that maduro has violated the Constitution and democratic process of venezuela. His days are numbered. And it is a fact that there was, indeed, an election, during which maduro illegally banned opposition candidates from running. It is also a fact that guiado I the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela, and constitutional duty falls on him to take charge and bring democracy back to Venezuela.

We've been in there mucking about since Chavez got in. America, we'll run your nation for ya, whether you like it or not. Fweedumb, take it easy.

Neato!

But, the fact remains that maduro has completely undermined Venezuela Constitution and democracy, and Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. So guiado will eventually take the power.

Edward Bernays - Wikipedia

The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader
The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader

Same old american empire of illusion nonsense.

And yet the facts remain that maduro held an illegal election, while guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. And no number of opinion pieces is going to dislodge these facts

And yet we've been in there attempting to take down the govt since Chavez got it. You're way late man.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Nice opinion piece. But it is a fact that maduro has violated the Constitution and democratic process of venezuela. His days are numbered. And it is a fact that there was, indeed, an election, during which maduro illegally banned opposition candidates from running. It is also a fact that guiado I the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela, and constitutional duty falls on him to take charge and bring democracy back to Venezuela.

We've been in there mucking about since Chavez got in. America, we'll run your nation for ya, whether you like it or not. Fweedumb, take it easy.

Neato!

But, the fact remains that maduro has completely undermined Venezuela Constitution and democracy, and Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. So guiado will eventually take the power.

Edward Bernays - Wikipedia

The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader
The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader

Same old american empire of illusion nonsense.

And yet the facts remain that maduro held an illegal election, while guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. And no number of opinion pieces is going to dislodge these facts

And yet we've been in there attempting to take down the govt since Chavez got it. You're way late man.

Neato!

But maduro still violated Venezuela laws and Constitution, and Guaido is still the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. There are facts that are not going to go away.

 

[H B Lowrie]

We've been in there mucking about since Chavez got in. America, we'll run your nation for ya, whether you like it or not. Fweedumb, take it easy.

Neato!

But, the fact remains that maduro has completely undermined Venezuela Constitution and democracy, and Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. So guiado will eventually take the power.

Edward Bernays - Wikipedia

The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader
The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader

Same old american empire of illusion nonsense.

And yet the facts remain that maduro held an illegal election, while guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. And no number of opinion pieces is going to dislodge these facts

And yet we've been in there attempting to take down the govt since Chavez got it. You're way late man.

Neato!

But maduro still violated Venezuela laws and Constitution, and Guaido is still the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. There are facts that are not going to go away.

Neato! American democracy around the world means america is in charge of your nation and we will be tearing your nation down to erect one of our choosing.

Fweedumb.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Neato!

But, the fact remains that maduro has completely undermined Venezuela Constitution and democracy, and Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. So guiado will eventually take the power.

Edward Bernays - Wikipedia

The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader
The Making of Juan Guaidó: US Regime-Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader

Same old american empire of illusion nonsense.

And yet the facts remain that maduro held an illegal election, while guaido is the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. And no number of opinion pieces is going to dislodge these facts

And yet we've been in there attempting to take down the govt since Chavez got it. You're way late man.

Neato!

But maduro still violated Venezuela laws and Constitution, and Guaido is still the highest democratically elected official in Venezuela. There are facts that are not going to go away.

Neato! American democracy around the world means america is in charge of your nation and we will be tearing your nation down to erect one of our choosing.

Fweedumb.

Well, with economic power comes power to inflict economic sanctions. And maduro left the door wide open, with his illegal activity. So the crisis in Venezuela will occur will or without our assistance. And we have every right to choose a side. Value judgments aside, maduro brought an end to his own regime. Now the military dominoes are falling. It would be derelict not to position ourselves in favor of our own interests,like it or not.

 

[Crixus]

'In early 2016, with Donald Trump lending tens of millions of dollars to his presidential campaign, he sought a loan from Deutsche Bank, one of the few banks still willing to lend him money — and got turned down, the NY Times' David Enrich, Jesse Drucker and Ben Protess scoop.

Be smart: We're going to start to see more and more leaks — especially of the follow-the-money sort — from the 17 known investigations of Trump and Russia. Investigators and prosecutors will be sharing material that they may not be able to use in their cases, but that could be very useful to Democrats for congressional probes and even impeachment efforts.

• "The failed loan request ... shows that he was actively engaged in running his business in the midst of the presidential campaign, and it is likely to attract scrutiny from Democrats on two House committees that are investigating his two-decade relationship with Deutsche Bank."
• Among the concerns of senior officials at the bank "was that if Mr. Trump won the election and then defaulted, Deutsche Bank would have to choose between not collecting on the debt or seizing the assets of the president of the United States."'

Trump's Deutsche Bank loan leak foreshadows coming investigations from House Democrats

Interesting.

Besides the possible legal ramifications - the guy is supposedly worth $10 billion and he not only is getting a loan to cover his campaign contributions...but got turned down.

Financially, Trump is CLEARLY full of it (in addition to all other facts that prove this).

Yes, yes you got him now, blasé,blasé.

 

[McRocket]

There was no election and he inserted himself into the situation on our behalf.

That's not accurate. There was a sham election, in which opposition candidates were banned from running. And Guaido is the highest democratically elected official in the country, not some arbitrary American shill. Your bombastic language discredits you,especially when it is on shaky factual ground.

Oh come on now.

Millions of people are starving to death in Yemen. Trump doesn't care about that.
Myanmar is a political mess...with the Rohingya getting cut down by the hundreds. Trump says little (if anything).
There are a bunch of countries in Africa with VERY iffy elections. Trump doesn't mention those (being shit hole countries, I guess).

The world (and the MSM) care about Venezuela for one reason...OIL.

There are LOTS of countries with FAR more corruption in the world. But NONE of them have the oil reserves of Venezuela.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/10-most-corrupt-countries-ranked-by-perception

If you seriously think the West's concern for Venezuela is humanitarian based...you are STAGGERINGLY naive.


Have a nice day.

I didn't claim it was humanaitarian based. Nor did I imply it. What in the world are you responding to....

Sorry...I was giving you credit for having morals/ethics on this. My mistake.

Our interest there is OUR economic interest. Yes I understand that. Frankly, there are not many things more worth getting involved over than oil. All of our economy, society, and security depends on it. You can love or hate that fact, but it is, indeed, a fact.

Bullshit.

America imports less than 6% of it's oil from Venezuela. She does not need Venezuela's oil AT ALL. Canada - for one - could (and would) EASILY make up the shortfall.

U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports

This is NOTHING to do with America's economy.

This is strictly that the neocons around the world see an opportunity to put a puppet leader (who is indebted to them) in power in Venezuela.

This is immoral, disgusting and against EVERY, international law. You cannot - in any way - directly try to undermine another countries elections.

Besides, every - and I mean EVERY - time neocons have meddled in other countries for selfish goals? It has ALWAYS ended badly (one way or another).


Now since you have shown that you are a neocon through and through AND I try not to waste too much time on neocons...we are done here (for now, at least).


Have a nice day.