Trumps base - Authoritarian and anti democratic conspiracy theorists

[JLW]

Hmmmm.....still no examples.

Obama?

Meanwhile, obama used the IRS to deny tax exempt status to conservative groups before an election. He went after journalists and actually spied on them..... He used the FBI, CIA, DOJ and STate department to get illegal FISA warrants to spy on Trump and his people and then rail roaded General Flynn and several other Trump associates with fake charges........

And I will now throw in obama prosecuting government whistle blowers...

Criticism of Mr. Obama’s stance on press freedom, government transparency and secrecy is hotly disputed by the White House, but many journalism groups say the record is clear. Over the past eight years, the administration has prosecuted nine cases involving whistle-blowers and leakers, compared with only three by all previous administrations combined. It has repeatedly used the Espionage Act, a relic of World War I-era red-baiting, not to prosecute spies but to go after government officials who talked to journalists.
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Under Mr. Obama, the Justice Department and the F.B.I. have spied on reporters by monitoring their phone records, labeled one journalist an unindicted co-conspirator in a criminal case for simply doing reporting and issued subpoenas to other reporters to try to force them to reveal their sources and testify in criminal cases.
I experienced this pressure firsthand when the administration tried to compel me to testify to reveal my confidential sources in a criminal leak investigation. The Justice Department finally relented — even though it had already won a seven-year court battle that went all the way to the Supreme Court to force me to testify — most likely because they feared the negative publicity that would come from sending a New York Times reporter to jail.

Opinion | If Donald Trump Targets Journalists, Thank Obama (Published 2016)

Obama has laid all the groundwork Trump needs for a crackdown on reporters.

www.nytimes.com

So....when Trump does any of that, please get back to us.........

Interestingly enough you do not even brother to deny the OP. All you have is a pathetic attempt at deflecting to Obama.

 

[2aguy]

The most constructive thing we can do right now is learn from this. Consider it a cautionary tale.

The problem is that we hadn't already fucking learned it, and we should have.

Here....try these concrete examples from the actual authoritarian..obama...

Criticism of Mr. Obama’s stance on press freedom, government transparency and secrecy is hotly disputed by the White House, but many journalism groups say the record is clear. Over the past eight years, the administration has prosecuted nine cases involving whistle-blowers and leakers, compared with only three by all previous administrations combined. It has repeatedly used the Espionage Act, a relic of World War I-era red-baiting, not to prosecute spies but to go after government officials who talked to journalists.
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Under Mr. Obama, the Justice Department and the F.B.I. have spied on reporters by monitoring their phone records, labeled one journalist an unindicted co-conspirator in a criminal case for simply doing reporting and issued subpoenas to other reporters to try to force them to reveal their sources and testify in criminal cases.
I experienced this pressure firsthand when the administration tried to compel me to testify to reveal my confidential sources in a criminal leak investigation. The Justice Department finally relented — even though it had already won a seven-year court battle that went all the way to the Supreme Court to force me to testify — most likely because they feared the negative publicity that would come from sending a New York Times reporter to jail.

Opinion | If Donald Trump Targets Journalists, Thank Obama (Published 2016)

Obama has laid all the groundwork Trump needs for a crackdown on reporters.

www.nytimes.com

We also now know he went after General Flynn, directing the FBI to pursue him though he had done nothing wrong.....we know this from actual notes from those involved..

See.....that was another concrete example....

Would you like to give us some concrete examples that actually involve Trump?

 

[2aguy]

Interestingly enough you do not even brother to deny the OP. All you have is a pathetic attempt at deflecting to Obama.

I do deny the op.....and I did it by asking for actual examples since it was Mac who made the accusation but didn't give one example to back up his claim.....I cited several examples from obama in order to show him how you support an accusation with actual evidence....

 

[JLW]

When the fear has manifested and is killing people in the streets, it has been proven to not be an irrational fear.

It is absolutely irrational. There is no mass Killing in the streets As a matter of fact that is exactly what an authoritarian who wants to declare marshal law would say.

 

[2aguy]

It is absolutely irrational. There is no mass Killing in the streets As a matter of fact that is exactly what an authoritarian who wants to declare marshal law would say.

Moron.....he didn't say mass killings, you f*****g tool. 17 people were killed as of June 8 you moron. They were killed by antifa and black lives matter brown shirts, who were burning, looting and killing with the financing, training, organization and coordination from allies of the democrat party.....

Deadly unrest: Here are the people who have died amid George Floyd protests across US

Among those killed as protests over the death of George Floyd have roiled American cities in the past week are a retired police captain, a beloved owner of a barbecue restaurant, and a former star football player known as “Mr. Indianapolis."

fox6now.com

 

[2aguy]

It is absolutely irrational. There is no mass Killing in the streets As a matter of fact that is exactly what an authoritarian who wants to declare marshal law would say.

When Trump declares marshal law, get back to us...

 

[Correll]

Interestingly enough you do not even brother to deny the OP. All you have is a pathetic attempt at deflecting to Obama.

He had me pointing out the stupidity of the op. He took another tact. ALso valid.

 

[JLW]

Moron.....he didn't say mass killings, you f*****g tool. 17 people were killed as of June 8 you moron. They were killed by antifa and black lives matter brown shirts, who were burning, looting and killing with the financing, training, organization and coordination from allies of the democrat party.....

Deadly unrest: Here are the people who have died amid George Floyd protests across US

Among those killed as protests over the death of George Floyd have roiled American cities in the past week are a retired police captain, a beloved owner of a barbecue restaurant, and a former star football player known as “Mr. Indianapolis."

fox6now.com

There you go again proving the OP’s point you dumbass. Lies about Brown shirts and coordination from the Democratic Party. Just what I would expect from an Authoritarian.

 

[Correll]

It is absolutely irrational. There is no mass Killing in the streets As a matter of fact that is exactly what an authoritarian who wants to declare marshal law would say.

Your qualifier is noted and dismissed. Your refusal to honestly address what I actually said, is accepted as an admission that you know I am right.

 

[JLW]

Your qualifier is noted and dismissed. Your refusal to honestly address what I actually said, is accepted as an admission that you know I am right.

No you are running away from what you wrote About killings in the street. Maybe you are coming to your senses.

 

[Olde Europe]

Yes, there is a malignant authoritarian streak that runs through Trumpism. Hopefully In November this Trumpist cancer will be excised or at least put in remission from our body politic.

Not much hope for that, realistically speaking. From the OP:

In 2016, researchers found that the Republican party had an “authoritarian voter” problem that it could not control, even if it had wanted to. “Trump, it turns out, is just the symptom,” wrote Amanda Taub in Vox. “The rise of American authoritarianism is transforming the Republican Party and the dynamics of national politics, with profound consequences likely to extend well beyond this election.”​

That should tell us all, even if Trump is going to be defeated, the cause persists. Actually, being deprived of their Dear Leader might worsen the problem. They are going to be left without their authoritarian strongman-protector, which would increase their fears, which in turn would activate (even more) their authoritarian streak. Whoever thinks with Trump gone the problem would subside may well have a rude awakening ahead.

Of course, it is possible to control that “authoritarian voter problem”, and the solution is pretty much in the text: Reduce fears, unreasonable fears in particular, and the authoritarian activation would, if not go away, at least ameliorate. That task would mostly fall on the GOP. Not that I have much hope they'll see the light and do the right thing, but...

 

[Correll]

There you go again proving the OP’s point you dumbass. Lies about Brown shirts and coordination from the democraitic Party. Just what I would expect from an Authoritarian.

Dem mayors are ordering cops to stand down, so the mobs can operate.

That is coordination.


Your denial is irrational. The fear of the Trump supporters is not. Their fear is validated.

 

[2aguy]

No you are running away from what you wrote About killings in the street. Maybe you are coming to your senses.

I have to ask....are you insane? Does your nurse know you are out of your room wandering the halls and on the computer in the nurses station again?

 

[2aguy]

Not much hope for that, realistically speaking. From the OP:

In 2016, researchers found that the Republican party had an “authoritarian voter” problem that it could not control, even if it had wanted to. “Trump, it turns out, is just the symptom,” wrote Amanda Taub in Vox. “The rise of American authoritarianism is transforming the Republican Party and the dynamics of national politics, with profound consequences likely to extend well beyond this election.”​

That should tell us all, even if Trump is going to be defeated, the cause persists. Actually, being deprived of their Dear Leader might worsen the problem. They are going to be left without their authoritarian strongman-protector, which would increase their fears, which in turn would activate (even more) their authoritarian streak. Whoever thinks with Trump gone the problem would subside may well have a rude awakening ahead.

Of course, it is possible to control that “authoritarian voter problem”, and the solution is pretty much in the text: Reduce fears, unreasonable fears in particular, and the authoritarian activation would, if not go away, at least ameliorate. That task would mostly fall on the GOP. Not that I have much hope they'll see the light and do the right thing, but...

Again.....please cite one example of the "Authoritarianism," of which you speak........we are sitting here waiting for the last 3 years and a half years....

 

[JLW]

I have to ask....are you insane? Does your nurse know you are out of your room wandering the halls and on the computer in the nurses station again?

This coming from the guy who just wrote about brown shirts And the Democratic Party. Were you drooling when you wrote that?

 

[Correll]

No you are running away from what you wrote About killings in the street. Maybe you are coming to your senses.

Mobs killing in the streets. Reporters reporting on peaceful protests, standing in front of burning buildings.


YOu are the one running away.


Fear is not always irrational. And the assumption, the utterly unsupported and now we see incorrect assumption in the study that it was,


was the study being tainted by politics.


And thus utter garbage.

 

[2aguy]

This coming from the guy who just wrote about brown shirts And the Democratic Party. Were you drooling when you wrote that?

Hmmmm....still no concrete examples.....

You should really go back to your room before the orderlies find you....

 

[Correll]

Not much hope for that, realistically speaking. From the OP:

In 2016, researchers found that the Republican party had an “authoritarian voter” problem that it could not control, even if it had wanted to. “Trump, it turns out, is just the symptom,” wrote Amanda Taub in Vox. “The rise of American authoritarianism is transforming the Republican Party and the dynamics of national politics, with profound consequences likely to extend well beyond this election.”​

That should tell us all, even if Trump is going to be defeated, the cause persists. Actually, being deprived of their Dear Leader might worsen the problem. They are going to be left without their authoritarian strongman-protector, which would increase their fears, which in turn would activate (even more) their authoritarian streak. Whoever thinks with Trump gone the problem would subside may well have a rude awakening ahead.

Of course, it is possible to control that “authoritarian voter problem”, and the solution is pretty much in the text: Reduce fears, unreasonable fears in particular, and the authoritarian activation would, if not go away, at least ameliorate. That task would mostly fall on the GOP. Not that I have much hope they'll see the light and do the right thing, but...

The study assumes the fear of internal stability is a sign of "Authoritarianism".


Recent events have shown that at this time, it is actually being aware.

 

[JLW]

Mobs killing in the streets. Reporters reporting on peaceful protests, standing in front of burning buildings.


YOu are the one running away.


Fear is not always irrational. And the assumption, the utterly unsupported and now we see incorrect assumption in the study that it was,


was the study being tainted by politics.


And thus utter garbage.

Now you just wrote ‘mobs killing in the streets”. Thanks for confirming my original interpretation.

 

[Ame®icano]

Authoritarian voters pushed Trump to victory. Can they do it again?

Donald Trump took advantage of American’s authoritarian streak in 2016 and has been busily eroding democratic norms ever since

www.theguardian.com

A Vox/Morning Consult survey found that “44% of white respondents nationwide scored as ‘high’ or ‘very high’ authoritarians”. There were authoritarian voters in both political parties, but “more than 65% of people who scored highest on the authoritarianism questions were GOP voters”. They asked respondents what made them fearful and found that they “most fear threats that come from abroad” but they also feared internal threats that they viewed as undermining the stability of the social hierarchy. These internal threats could be “in the form of rising diversity” or “any changes, political or economic, that disrupt social hierarchies” or were viewed as threatening authoritarian voters’ “status quo as they know it”.


Its a long and thoughtful article that attempts to explain trumps win in 2016. Its not complete as it doesnt mention low education standards but it is a thoughtful piece.

British bellend, who bows to Queen, but support socialism while enjoying being fucked in the ass daily by his government, is complaining about people who want's government out of their life, for being authoritarians.