TRUMP -- Working on plan to fire 88,000 NEW IRS AGENTS

[Polishprince]

the reason why the income tax is effective at collecting revenues is because you have to actually pay them and account for them.

But a lot of people don't. They use fake SS numbers obtained through identity theft, and ship their money back to Krapistan.

 

[JoeB131]

If Biden's IRS agents were cracking down on Illegals, domestic street gangs and others who don't pay, I'd think otherwise.

But that's not the case, they are just harassing lawabiders over arithmetic errors on live 78b of schedule H-4.

Maybe the 88000 can be work on collecting taxes from illegals deported to Krapistan or Haiti, making sure they pay on the taxes they incurred during their illegal stay here?

Wow, you seem to think illegals are swimming in wealth, don't you?

Unlike the big corporations, that fudge line 78b on Schedule H-4 all the time.

Now, I'm the first one to concede, taxes are ridiculously complex. I don't even want to talk about my 2023 taxes, where I got slapped with an extra $5000 because the IRS clawed back my wife's ACA subsidy.

 

[JoeB131]

But a lot of people don't. They use fake SS numbers obtained through identity theft, and ship their money back to Krapistan.

Okay.

So let's look at that.

They use a fake SS number. That means SS is collecting income that they will never collect Social Security on.

Same with medicare.

Now, if we had a national ID with biometric data to confirm everyone's identity, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

[22lcidw]

Wow, that was stupid, even for you.

Couldn't think of a faster way to crash the economy than raising the sales tax to 20% (which is what you would need to do to match revenue levels the income tax generates.)

Some weeks ago, a politician or more was spewing that the federal government size is around 24/25 % of GDP since Covid. Traditionally it is around 19%. Optimum growth cannot be achieved in a combined socialist/private side nation if it is tilted this way as we are currently. This is before adding all of the other's taxes and costs in any monopolies from state, city, and local entities. And that is huge as compared a half century ago which was growing from a couple decades before that.

 

[pknopp]

He has had years to come up with a plan. I imagine it will be like his plan he had ready to go to replace Obamacare.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump wants to make it easier for the wealthy to cheat on taxes

He just wants to tax everyone like their last name was Biden

 

[initforme]

Sounds like you're talking about the "flat tax"...

I'm on board. When can we start having the freeloaders pay their fair share???

Yep ceos will now have to make a contribution.

 

[debbiedowner]

The physically fit ones can be moved to the Border Patrol. The rest can work for Turbo Tax.

There are 82,000 total employees of IRS of which:

IRS CI is comprised of approximately 3,000 employees worldwide, about 2,100 of whom are special agents whose investigative jurisdiction includes tax, money laundering and Bank Secrecy Act laws. While other federal agencies also have investigative jurisdiction for money laundering and some bank secrecy act violations, IRS is the only federal agency that can investigate potential criminal violations of the Internal Revenue Code.

Criminal Investigation (CI) at a glance | Internal Revenue Service

Criminal Investigation (CI) serves the American public by investigating potential criminal violations of the Internal Revenue Code and related financial crimes in a manner that fosters confidence in the tax system and compliance with the law.

www.irs.gov

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Odd that our country worked well without an Income Tax until basically the last 70 years

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[DonGlock26]

There are 82,000 total employees of IRS of which:

IRS CI is comprised of approximately 3,000 employees worldwide, about 2,100 of whom are special agents whose investigative jurisdiction includes tax, money laundering and Bank Secrecy Act laws. While other federal agencies also have investigative jurisdiction for money laundering and some bank secrecy act violations, IRS is the only federal agency that can investigate potential criminal violations of the Internal Revenue Code.

Criminal Investigation (CI) at a glance | Internal Revenue Service

Criminal Investigation (CI) serves the American public by investigating potential criminal violations of the Internal Revenue Code and related financial crimes in a manner that fosters confidence in the tax system and compliance with the law.

www.irs.gov

"After passage of the IRA, critics of the tax enforcement measure warned that taxpayers would face intensified scrutiny from an IRS supersized with nearly 87,000 new staff. The figure is from an official government report from May 2021 when the Biden administration was pushing for passage of the original “Build Back Better” plan. The Treasury Department, which oversees the IRS, published The American Families Plan Tax Compliance Plan, laying out the case for expanding the IRS and significantly increasing enforcement activities. The report includes a table showing that they would use the funding boost to add precisely 86,852 full-time equivalent (FTE) employees over the next decade. This would more than double the size of its current workforce: the IRS employed 78,661 FTE positions in FY 2021 and 79,808 during FY 2022. Below is the table as it appeared in the Treasury report."

What the IRS's New Enforcement Budget Means for Taxpayers

(pdf) Introduction The recently enacted Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) included nearly $80 billion in new funding for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Most of the money is intended to increase tax enforcement and reduce the “tax gap.” The tax gap is a measure of the difference between what...

www.ntu.org

"The 87,000 new employees figure comes from a 2021 report and isn’t set in stone
Many Republicans have expressed outrage over the IRS hiring 87,000 new employees. But where does this number come from? Answer: a year-old report.

In May 2021, the Treasury Department told Congress that with an extra $80 billion in funding over the next decade, it could add 86,852 new full-time equivalent positions, also known as FTEs. Rounded up, that’s 87,000 new employees.

That report is not necessarily showing how the IRS plans to use new money today. The Treasury Department says it will be several months before it decides how to spend the money."

Rick Scott overstates potential IRS hiring boost

President Joe Biden signed into law a major legislative package that includes many of his policy priorities. One particu

www.politifact.com

 

[Blaster]

Just get rid of the IRS and Americans will rejoice.

 

[debbiedowner]

"After passage of the IRA, critics of the tax enforcement measure warned that taxpayers would face intensified scrutiny from an IRS supersized with nearly 87,000 new staff. The figure is from an official government report from May 2021 when the Biden administration was pushing for passage of the original “Build Back Better” plan. The Treasury Department, which oversees the IRS, published The American Families Plan Tax Compliance Plan, laying out the case for expanding the IRS and significantly increasing enforcement activities. The report includes a table showing that they would use the funding boost to add precisely 86,852 full-time equivalent (FTE) employees over the next decade. This would more than double the size of its current workforce: the IRS employed 78,661 FTE positions in FY 2021 and 79,808 during FY 2022. Below is the table as it appeared in the Treasury report."


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What the IRS's New Enforcement Budget Means for Taxpayers

(pdf) Introduction The recently enacted Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) included nearly $80 billion in new funding for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Most of the money is intended to increase tax enforcement and reduce the “tax gap.” The tax gap is a measure of the difference between what...

www.ntu.org

"The 87,000 new employees figure comes from a 2021 report and isn’t set in stone
Many Republicans have expressed outrage over the IRS hiring 87,000 new employees. But where does this number come from? Answer: a year-old report.

In May 2021, the Treasury Department told Congress that with an extra $80 billion in funding over the next decade, it could add 86,852 new full-time equivalent positions, also known as FTEs. Rounded up, that’s 87,000 new employees.

That report is not necessarily showing how the IRS plans to use new money today. The Treasury Department says it will be several months before it decides how to spend the money."

Rick Scott overstates potential IRS hiring boost

President Joe Biden signed into law a major legislative package that includes many of his policy priorities. One particu

www.politifact.com

But most were never hired and the ones that were replaced ones that retired or quit. But cut that in half and chances of being audited. I went through that shit back in 2004 and if they find one mistake for the year they're looking at they go back another couple of years. I have no love for the IRS.

 

[DonGlock26]

But most were never hired and the ones that were replaced ones that retired or quit. But cut that in half and chances of being audited. I went through that shit back in 2004 and if they find one mistake for the year they're looking at they go back another couple of years. I have no love for the IRS.

Well, the ones who got hired might want to update their resumes.

 

[crossbody]

Yes fire all of them.

They mostly target the red states.

 

[dudmuck]

These are the 88,000 unnecessary armed IRS agents that Sleepy Joe just hired to harass the people.

they were for wealthy tax cheats and other criminals.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Nope, the rich should pay their fair share.

Our country worked much better when they did.

Our country did better when Democrats were fiscally responsible and knew when and how to cut spending. There is no consensus for “fair share” definition.
The Top 10 percent income earners pay 76 percent of the tax bill.

Your side runs up the tab, says all spending is essential, and blames the high income earners for not paying their “fair share”.

 

[Crepitus]

The physically fit ones can be moved to the Border Patrol. The rest can work for Turbo Tax.

Well of course he is. They were auditing the rich people.

 

[Orangecat]

Wow, that was stupid, even for you.

Couldn't think of a faster way to crash the economy than raising the sales tax to 20% (which is what you would need to do to match revenue levels the income tax generates.)

Who says we have to match current levels of spending? We need to cut spending, dumbass.

 

[JoeB131]

Our country did better when Democrats were fiscally responsible and knew when and how to cut spending. There is no consensus for “fair share” definition.
The Top 10 percent income earners pay 76 percent of the tax bill.

Your side runs up the tab, says all spending is essential, and blames the high income earners for not paying their “fair share”.

My idea for fair share would be to take everything the Rich have and harvest them for transplant organs....

But some might consider that harsh.

This isn't ******* complicated. Before Ronnie Ray-Gun came along with his Voodoo economics, the US ran up less than a trillion dollars in debt in 200 years. That's with multiple wars (paid for with war bonds) an interstate highway system, and a space program. We did it right.

Now the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, our roads and infrastructure are crumbling, and you guys are whining, "Leave the rich alone!!!"

 

[JoeB131]

Who says we have to match current levels of spending? We need to cut spending, dumbass.

Fine. Give me a list of things to cut, and we can talk... With dollar amounts.

But given that Social Security costs 2 Trillion, Medicare costs 1 trillion, VA benefits are half a trillion, as is Medicaid, and the interest on our debt is not a trillion, there just isn't a lot of places to cut.