TRUMP -- Working on plan to fire 88,000 NEW IRS AGENTS

[AZrailwhale]

My idea for fair share would be to take everything the Rich have and harvest them for transplant organs....

But some might consider that harsh.

This isn't ******* complicated. Before Ronnie Ray-Gun came along with his Voodoo economics, the US ran up less than a trillion dollars in debt in 200 years. That's with multiple wars (paid for with war bonds) an interstate highway system, and a space program. We did it right.

Now the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, our roads and infrastructure are crumbling, and you guys are whining, "Leave the rich alone!!!"

What happens when they get down to considering YOU rich? After all, you had tens of thousands of disposable dollars to spend getting your wife naturalized. Sounds to me like you had a lot of excess income to be taxed.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Right.

So make sure you cheat on your taxes, because there won't be anyone to check your work!

LOL solid advice from you. it's going to be tough on you and your ilk for the next 4 to 12 years.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Bullshit. When FDR instituted the new deal and progressive taxation of the rich, the working class became the middle class and the rich paid their fair share.

Then along came Reagan.. The rich got richer and the poor got poorer and the middle class is vanishing before our eyes.

Please define “fair share”. You throw that term around arbitrarily. There is no bullshit about the top 10 percent of income earners paying 76 percent of the tab or the top 25 percent paying 90 percent of the tab.

So, what, where do we find the consensus for “fair share”?

 

[JoeB131]

Except that all the people who dodge the income tax wouldn’t be able to duck a sales tax. Rich people pay a lot of accountants to avoid income taxes, but spend a lot of money to pay sales tax on.

Actually, ducking a sales tax is even easier. The problem with a sales tax is that it requires a third party (the vendor) to collect it.

Now, this comes from the IRS, so take it with a grain of salt....

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/13resconevasiontaxgap.pdf

Sales tax enforcement efforts in the states are structurally similar to the income tax enforcement model used by the IRS, but adapted to sales tax enforcement. The same voluntary reporting structure is used and enforced through punishing deterrence policies linked to delinquency identification and audit capabilities. This adaptation of the income tax compliance enforcement system to sales tax systems is the beginning of the problem:sales tax compliance enforcement issues are very diff erent from income tax enforcement issues. Income taxes are relatively easier to enforce due to the level of third-party reporting required in such systems. Based on datafrom the IRS 2007 Statistics of Income, 82.59 percent of all income reported on tax returns is subject to sometype of third-party verifi cation (Internal Revenue Service, 2007). Based on IRS tax-gap estimates, the majorityof the tax gap is related to income that is not subject to such third-party verification. With respect to the tax gap related to individual income tax underreporting, the net misreporting percentage with respect to amounts subject to little or no information reporting is 56 percent and the misreporting percentage with respect toamounts subject to some information reporting is 11 percent. By contrast, the misreporting percentages foramounts subject to substantial information reporting and amounts subject to substantial information reportingand withholding are 8 percent and 1 percent, respectively (Internal Revenue Service, 2012). Table 1 summarizes the impact of third-party verification concerning individual income tax returns based on both reported and estimated unreported revenues. Unreported income is based on the individual income tax underreporting gap of $190 billion divided by an assumed marginal tax rate of 28 percent.

 

[JoeB131]

What happens when they get down to considering YOU rich? After all, you had tens of thousands of disposable dollars to spend getting your wife naturalized. Sounds to me like you had a lot of excess income to be taxed.

Attack on family reported.

Also, didn't spend anywhere near "tens of thousands".

Not that this would be considered "rich", by any sensible standard.

 

[JoeB131]

Please define “fair share”. You throw that term around arbitrarily. There is no bullshit about the top 10 percent of income earners paying 76 percent of the tab or the top 25 percent paying 90 percent of the tab.

So, what, where do we find the consensus for “fair share”?

My idea of fair share. Take everything the fuckers have and harvest them for transplant organs. But some would consider that harsh.

But here's a sensible standard. Go back to what we had before Ronnie Ray-gun fucked everything up.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Tariffs funded American prosperity and were 25 to 50%!

The income tax and free trade are responsible for the outsourcing of American jobs and industries overseas. Today our leading export is debt

 

[AZrailwhale]

Attack on family reported.

Also, didn't spend anywhere near "tens of thousands".

Not that this would be considered "rich", by any sensible standard.

Report away, all I did was repeat what you have complained about on these forums many times,

 

[LeftofLeft]

My idea of fair share. Take everything the fuckers have and harvest them for transplant organs. But some would consider that harsh.

But here's a sensible standard. Go back to what we had before Ronnie Ray-gun fucked everything up.

Again, you are specious in what “fair share” is. Aside from your Marxist fantasy and your blame and hatred of Ronald Reagan, what is the metric or percentage that is “fair share”?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Again, you are specious in what “fair share” is. Aside from your Marxist fantasy and your blame and hatred of Ronald Reagan, what is the metric or percentage that is “fair share”?

Whatever anyone richer than he is has. JoeB131 is nothing but a hypocrite.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Nope, the rich should pay their fair share.

Our country worked much better when they did.



No, I didn't miss it, I just pointed out why it was stupid.

Let's say that you replace the income tax with a sales tax. Well, here's the thing. Sales taxes are completely optional. Don't want to pay the tax, don't buy stuff. Maybe get an extra few years out of that old TV instead of buying the new one. Maybe buy the off-brand food product instead of the name brand one.

This would have two effects.

1) Revenues would still go down.
2) Manufacturing and retail would be hit because people would buy less stuff.

The rich primarily pay it all. The poor pay nothing. What's fair about that?

 

[AZrailwhale]

The rich primarily pay it all. The poor pay nothing. What's fair about that?

Everyone should pay taxes. Even if it’s just a few dollars a paycheck. At least then everyone would have skin in the game.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

The physically fit ones can be moved to the Border Patrol. The rest can work for Turbo Tax.

Kind of looking forward to week number two

 

[BackAgain]

Nope, the rich should pay their fair share.

^ one of the stupidest, lamest, most ignorant and most dishonest sayings in the lexicon of you libtards.

 

[JoeB131]

Again, you are specious in what “fair share” is. Aside from your Marxist fantasy and your blame and hatred of Ronald Reagan, what is the metric or percentage that is “fair share”?

70% top Marginal rate, like we had under Reagan.

I'd like to go back to the 93% top marginal rate we had before JFK, but baby steps.

Then again, the transplant organ thing kind of sounds good, too.

 

[JoeB131]

Everyone should pay taxes. Even if it’s just a few dollars a paycheck. At least then everyone would have skin in the game.

Everyone does pay taxes. The rich just don't pay their fair share of them.

The problem is, you wingnuts like to pretend that the income tax is the only one people pay.

 

[GMCGeneral]

70% top Marginal rate, like we had under Reagan.

I'd like to go back to the 93% top marginal rate we had before JFK, but baby steps.

Then again, the transplant organ thing kind of sounds good, too.

So zero investors, zero private sector business owners. Good going, Communist shitbag.

 

[JoeB131]

So zero investors, zero private sector business owners. Good going, Communist shitbag.

We had plenty of investors and private business when the taxes were high, dummy.

In fact, the period between the end of WWII and 1980 was pretty much a golden age.

Then Reagan came along and screwed it up.

 

[Lisa558]

These are the 88,000 unnecessary armed IRS agents that Sleepy Joe just hired to harass the people.

And to target organizations with “Patriot” or the like in their names as well as individuals who donate to Reoublicans.

 

[Moonglow]

The physically fit ones can be moved to the Border Patrol. The rest can work for Turbo Tax.

And you can wait till next year to get yer tax refund.