The good thing here is, you don't have a counter argument that has a promise or a prayer. When your last argument is nothing more than an excuse to say nothing, then we know you've lost.
Trump Using Tariffs to Pay for His Corporate Tax Cuts?
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georgephillip
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At the federal level neither taxation or spending represents a real problem since a sovereign currency can not go bankrupt; however, the same principle doesn't apply at state and local levels:
How Corporate Welfare Hurts You
"State and local governments are also handing out corporate welfare, often with no strings attached. In 2013, for example, the state of Washington approved a record $8.7 billion handout to Boeing in order 'to maintain and grow its workforce within the state.'
"What did Boeing do? In the following years, it laid off more than 12,000 workers in the state.
"State and local tax breaks for corporations are estimated to cost local schools almost $2 billion a year in lost tax revenue.
"It’s argued they create jobs, yet nationwide, not a single new job is created. At most, the jobs are merely moved from state to state."
georgephillip
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Governments charter corporations in my reality.
What about yours?
My suspicions are that Marx knew history quite well. Maybe like Roman history? "Give the people bread and circus." This is the typical Trump voter. He or she is pacified with the Roman leaders obtaining all the wealth,while Trump voters are entertained with the crumbs, and along the way, continue to make excuses for them. That is their idea of Capitalism, and it's what Marx feared the most. He was right.Thank you! People, listen to George Phillip. He sees things through the prism of being educated, informed, and understands common sense. George Phillip for president.
After nearly 72 years on this planet, I'm beginning to grasp the concept of exploitation:
MR Online | Why Karl Marx was right about capitalism
"Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other–capitalists and workers
– The Communist Manifesto
"Despite all the pronouncements that class doesn’t exist, that the biggest divisions are those between nations, sexes, or cultures, Marx was right about the nature of capitalism.
"It is a system defined by the exploitation of the working class by the capitalists.
"When Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto and later, Capital, capitalism dominated only in pockets of Europe and North America.
"Most of the the world’s population were peasants, independent farmers or tribal groups.
However, capitalism quickly became a global system. Around the world, peasants were thrown off their land and pushed into rapidly-developing urban centres.
"The working class and the capitalist class grew as nation states were established. Society became polarised between these two main social classes.
"The working class, which includes white collar and blue collar workers–anyone who has to sell their capacity to labour power to a boss in exchange for a wage–is now more than 2 billion people.
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georgephillip
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My suspicions are that Marx knew history quite well. Maybe like Roman history? "Give the people bread and circus." This is the typical Trump voter. He or she is pacified with the Roman leaders obtaining all the wealth,while Trump voters are entertained with the crumbs, and along the way, continue to make excuses for them. That is their idea of Capitalism, and it's what Marx feared the most. He was right.Thank you! People, listen to George Phillip. He sees things through the prism of being educated, informed, and understands common sense. George Phillip for president.After nearly 72 years on this planet, I'm beginning to grasp the concept of exploitation:
MR Online | Why Karl Marx was right about capitalism
"Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other–capitalists and workers
– The Communist Manifesto
"Despite all the pronouncements that class doesn’t exist, that the biggest divisions are those between nations, sexes, or cultures, Marx was right about the nature of capitalism.
"It is a system defined by the exploitation of the working class by the capitalists.
"When Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto and later, Capital, capitalism dominated only in pockets of Europe and North America.
"Most of the the world’s population were peasants, independent farmers or tribal groups.
However, capitalism quickly became a global system. Around the world, peasants were thrown off their land and pushed into rapidly-developing urban centres.
"The working class and the capitalist class grew as nation states were established. Society became polarised between these two main social classes.
"The working class, which includes white collar and blue collar workers–anyone who has to sell their capacity to labour power to a boss in exchange for a wage–is now more than 2 billion people.
Marx understood the eternal conflict between creditor and debtor as well as anyone:
Debt Slavery – Why It Destroyed Rome, Why It Will Destroy Us Unless It’s Stopped
"Book V of Aristotle’s Politics describes the eternal transition of oligarchies making themselves into hereditary aristocracies – which end up being overthrown by tyrants or develop internal rivalries as some families decide to 'take the multitude into their camp' and usher in democracy, within which an oligarchy emerges once again, followed by aristocracy, democracy, and so on throughout history.
"Debt has been the main dynamic driving these shifts..."
"But oligarchies re-emerged and called in Rome when Sparta’s kings Agis, Cleomenes and their successor Nabis sought to cancel debts late in the third century BC.
"They were killed and their supporters driven out. It has been a political constant of history since antiquity that creditor interests opposed both popular democracy and royal power able to limit the financial conquest of society – a conquest aimed at attaching interest-bearing debt claims for payment on as much of the economic surplus as possible.
"When the Gracchi brothers and their followers tried to reform the credit laws in 133 BC, the dominant Senatorial class acted with violence, killing them and inaugurating a century of Social War, resolved by the ascension of Augustus as emperor in 29 BC.
"Rome’s creditor oligarchy wins the Social War, enslaves the population and brings on a Dark Age"
Could it happen here?
progressive hunter
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tax cuts are not welfare you ignorant ****,,,
reality does suck but its still reality,,,
try it sometime,,,
progressive hunter
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Governments charter corporations in my reality.
What about yours?
OH I see,,its not about taxs,,,its about your TDS,,
please get help,,,
georgephillip
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"...every year, Americans spend an estimated $153 billion in taxes and on programs to subsidize McDonald’s and Walmart’s low-wage workers.
"Here’s the bottom-line: When corporations get special handouts from the government, it costs the rest of us.
"We have to pay more in taxes to make up for these hidden tax breaks, subsidies, and loopholes. In turn, there’s less money for good schools and roads, Medicare and national defense, and everything else we need."
How Corporate Welfare Hurts You
georgephillip
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Governments charter corporations in my reality.
What about yours?
OH I see,,its not about taxs,,,its about your TDS,,
please get help,,,
A real example of a middle-class tax cut
The 99% work and live to create wealth for the 1%, while Trump voters cheer it on. Trump gives them bread and circus, and while they are loving it, he is stealing our money for himself and the rest of the Oligarchs.Governments charter corporations in my reality.
What about yours?
OH I see,,its not about taxs,,,its about your TDS,,
please get help,,,
A real example of a middle-class tax cut
Yea imagine that, penalize companies that ship jobs overseas and reward those that keep jobs here.
If you lunatics are howling about it then we know it’s working, aside from the obvious economic signs that it is.
My suspicions are that Marx knew history quite well. Maybe like Roman history? "Give the people bread and circus." This is the typical Trump voter. He or she is pacified with the Roman leaders obtaining all the wealth,while Trump voters are entertained with the crumbs, and along the way, continue to make excuses for them. That is their idea of Capitalism, and it's what Marx feared the most. He was right.Thank you! People, listen to George Phillip. He sees things through the prism of being educated, informed, and understands common sense. George Phillip for president.After nearly 72 years on this planet, I'm beginning to grasp the concept of exploitation:
MR Online | Why Karl Marx was right about capitalism
"Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other–capitalists and workers
– The Communist Manifesto
"Despite all the pronouncements that class doesn’t exist, that the biggest divisions are those between nations, sexes, or cultures, Marx was right about the nature of capitalism.
"It is a system defined by the exploitation of the working class by the capitalists.
"When Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto and later, Capital, capitalism dominated only in pockets of Europe and North America.
"Most of the the world’s population were peasants, independent farmers or tribal groups.
However, capitalism quickly became a global system. Around the world, peasants were thrown off their land and pushed into rapidly-developing urban centres.
"The working class and the capitalist class grew as nation states were established. Society became polarised between these two main social classes.
"The working class, which includes white collar and blue collar workers–anyone who has to sell their capacity to labour power to a boss in exchange for a wage–is now more than 2 billion people.
And there it is, praise for the holy father of the left, Karl Marx.
At least you assholes are being open about it now instead of denying your love for Marx.
This was excellent reading.My suspicions are that Marx knew history quite well. Maybe like Roman history? "Give the people bread and circus." This is the typical Trump voter. He or she is pacified with the Roman leaders obtaining all the wealth,while Trump voters are entertained with the crumbs, and along the way, continue to make excuses for them. That is their idea of Capitalism, and it's what Marx feared the most. He was right.Thank you! People, listen to George Phillip. He sees things through the prism of being educated, informed, and understands common sense. George Phillip for president.After nearly 72 years on this planet, I'm beginning to grasp the concept of exploitation:
MR Online | Why Karl Marx was right about capitalism
"Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other–capitalists and workers
– The Communist Manifesto
"Despite all the pronouncements that class doesn’t exist, that the biggest divisions are those between nations, sexes, or cultures, Marx was right about the nature of capitalism.
"It is a system defined by the exploitation of the working class by the capitalists.
"When Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto and later, Capital, capitalism dominated only in pockets of Europe and North America.
"Most of the the world’s population were peasants, independent farmers or tribal groups.
However, capitalism quickly became a global system. Around the world, peasants were thrown off their land and pushed into rapidly-developing urban centres.
"The working class and the capitalist class grew as nation states were established. Society became polarised between these two main social classes.
"The working class, which includes white collar and blue collar workers–anyone who has to sell their capacity to labour power to a boss in exchange for a wage–is now more than 2 billion people.Marx understood the eternal conflict between creditor and debtor as well as anyone:
Debt Slavery – Why It Destroyed Rome, Why It Will Destroy Us Unless It’s Stopped
"Book V of Aristotle’s Politics describes the eternal transition of oligarchies making themselves into hereditary aristocracies – which end up being overthrown by tyrants or develop internal rivalries as some families decide to 'take the multitude into their camp' and usher in democracy, within which an oligarchy emerges once again, followed by aristocracy, democracy, and so on throughout history.
"Debt has been the main dynamic driving these shifts..."
"But oligarchies re-emerged and called in Rome when Sparta’s kings Agis, Cleomenes and their successor Nabis sought to cancel debts late in the third century BC.
"They were killed and their supporters driven out. It has been a political constant of history since antiquity that creditor interests opposed both popular democracy and royal power able to limit the financial conquest of society – a conquest aimed at attaching interest-bearing debt claims for payment on as much of the economic surplus as possible.
"When the Gracchi brothers and their followers tried to reform the credit laws in 133 BC, the dominant Senatorial class acted with violence, killing them and inaugurating a century of Social War, resolved by the ascension of Augustus as emperor in 29 BC.
"Rome’s creditor oligarchy wins the Social War, enslaves the population and brings on a Dark Age"
Could it happen here?
And at least you admitted to failure by conceding the argument with no offensive against the truth.My suspicions are that Marx knew history quite well. Maybe like Roman history? "Give the people bread and circus." This is the typical Trump voter. He or she is pacified with the Roman leaders obtaining all the wealth,while Trump voters are entertained with the crumbs, and along the way, continue to make excuses for them. That is their idea of Capitalism, and it's what Marx feared the most. He was right.Thank you! People, listen to George Phillip. He sees things through the prism of being educated, informed, and understands common sense. George Phillip for president.After nearly 72 years on this planet, I'm beginning to grasp the concept of exploitation:
MR Online | Why Karl Marx was right about capitalism
"Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other–capitalists and workers
– The Communist Manifesto
"Despite all the pronouncements that class doesn’t exist, that the biggest divisions are those between nations, sexes, or cultures, Marx was right about the nature of capitalism.
"It is a system defined by the exploitation of the working class by the capitalists.
"When Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto and later, Capital, capitalism dominated only in pockets of Europe and North America.
"Most of the the world’s population were peasants, independent farmers or tribal groups.
However, capitalism quickly became a global system. Around the world, peasants were thrown off their land and pushed into rapidly-developing urban centres.
"The working class and the capitalist class grew as nation states were established. Society became polarised between these two main social classes.
"The working class, which includes white collar and blue collar workers–anyone who has to sell their capacity to labour power to a boss in exchange for a wage–is now more than 2 billion people.
And there it is, praise for the holy father of the left, Karl Marx.
At least you assholes are being open about it now instead of denying your love for Marx.
georgephillip
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The 99% work and live to create wealth for the 1%, while Trump voters cheer it on. Trump gives them bread and circus, and while they are loving it, he is stealing our money for himself and the rest of the Oligarchs.Governments charter corporations in my reality.
What about yours?
OH I see,,its not about taxs,,,its about your TDS,,
please get help,,,
A real example of a middle-class tax cut
There's never been a more corrupt or conflicted POTUS than Trump.
If he isn't prosecuted for his many crimes, we will all know some Democrats in high places would rather lose elections than pay higher taxes:
Tracking Trump's Conflicts of Interest
"Sunlight’s 'Tracking Trump’s Conflicts of Interest' project provides a free, searchable database detailing President Donald J. Trump’s known business dealings and personal interests that may conflict with his public duties as President of the United States.
"The project also documents news coverage of these potential conflicts.
"Read our reporting to stay current on related news, explore our database, and learn more about the project.
"As we continue to learn about the First Family’s business holdings, the database will be updated. To help with those updates, get involved by contacting us here.
"You can also contact us if you’re familiar with any of the conflicts we’re tracking."
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georgephillip
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Is your lunacy deep enough to imagine manufacturing jobs returning to the US in spite of the exorbitant costs of healthcare, housing, and consumer debt in this country?
Too much winning?
The State of the American Debt Slaves, Q2 2018
danielpalos
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all i saw was the price increases.
georgephillip
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Hopefully, your job hasn't been exported to China.
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"Causes
"China can produce many consumer goods at lower costs than other countries can. Americans, of course, want these goods for the lowest prices. How does China keep prices so low? Most economists agree that China's competitive pricing is a result of two factors:
- A lower standard of living, which allows companies in China to pay lower wages to workers.
- An exchange rate that is partially fixed to the dollar.
"If the United States implemented trade protectionism, U.S. consumers would have to pay high prices for their 'Made in America' goods.
"It’s unlikely that the trade deficit will change. Most people would rather pay as little as possible for computers, electronics, and clothing, even if it means other Americans lose their jobs."
The Real Reason American Jobs Are Going to China
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