Trump to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal

[Ringo]

Alaska. Trump and Putin talk 1-1.
Vladimir, why should I believe you and not Zelensky?
-Donald, you're a businessman. I didn't come here to ask for money, but rather to ask you not to spend it.

 

[kyzr]

No, you’re a Russian troll.
Giving Trump credit for cowaring before your leader is not something I,as an American, can do.

Trump is getting Putin to negotiate, he is not cowering, cowering is what you democrats do.
If there is no deal Trump will turn up the pressure.
We either want to try to get a peace deal or we don't.

 

[Robert Urbanek]

I had a dream Friday night in which the A L I E N S were on Earth but had promised not to eat us. They seemed pleasant enough and a couple of them went to the opera. The metaphor: I think they were Putin's people.

 

[Darkwind]

We don't have that capability

Of course we do.

The question is: How much do they hate Trump that they'd want to have a direct confrontation between the US and Russia.

That is the ONLY way that Ukraine will be able to keep any land.

 

[Darkwind]

There's another one who is ready to consider putting boots on the ground, the UK Defense Secretary. He might consider though putting boots on the Moon, the result would be the same.

The UK alone is not up to the task of taking on Russia. Not conventionally at least.

 

[Darkwind]

Kamala would have gotten Putin to surrender by now

What, she was going to give him the "Hauk Tua" ulitimatum?

 

[georgephillip]

Deflection noted.

What deflection?
Be specific.

 

[georgephillip]

t is about the freedom of millions and the geo-olitical balance of power in the world. Something which Trump is squandering at every opportunity.

Several of you Trumpsters have tried to reframe this discussion as a matter of petty domestic tribal politics.

It is far bigger than that.

It is a test of American leadership.

Is this an example of "American leadership" you endorse?

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

"Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in... he's going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it's just not going to work.

"Pyatt: Yeah, no, I think that's right. OK. Good. Do you want us to set up a call with him as the next step?"

 

[Zincwarrior]

Listen retard, back that up, or admit that you cannot.

He literally just did you Russian cumbucket..

 

[ThisIsMe]

Yes, it did. it got Putin to ask for Alaska.

Then Trump TACO’d out and let Putin off the hook before the meeting. He gave his one piece of leverage away.

And now he’s parroting Moscow’s demands.

What a loser. What a disgrace.

What demands did he give in to? What leverage do you think we have over Russia? If we ask for them to leave ukraine and they say no, beyond sanctions and tariffs, that aren't working, what else do we have?

 

[Correll]

Trump endorsed the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Trump was talking about giving Ukranian territory away this time last week.
Trump has always tried to stand in the way of Ukranian aid.
Before the invasion, Trump actively supported Putin’s interests.

Trump walked away from Alaska with Putin’s demands and nothing else. They were the same demands as before.


First of all, this is not about “asides”.

It is about the freedom of millions and the geo-olitical balance of power in the world. Something which Trump is squandering at every opportunity.

Several of you Trumpsters have tried to reframe this discussion as a matter of petty domestic tribal politics.

It is far bigger than that.

It is a test of American leadership.

One that Trump is losing badly.

So, you can't back it up either. It was just shit talk. As I said.


All you are doing is spamming negs and shit talk.


Pathetic.

 

[Rambunctious]

Ukraine has two choices... surender some land or lose it all... Unless the European nations decide to grow a backbone and join the fight Ukraine can't beat Russia...
Trump has to twist arms just to get countries to stop buying Russian oil and gas.... if they stopped and made moves to get involved militarily with boots on the ground Putin would get the message...

 

[Correll]

He literally just did you Russian cumbucket..

So, you are nothing but a shit talker. As I knew.

As everyone knew.

 

[egp320i]

The Donbas region is pretty rich in various resources. Ukraine needs them for economic reasons. Russia wants them for expansionist reasons.

The Mineral Wars - How Ukraine’s Critical Minerals Will Fuel Future Geopolitical Rivalries - CIRSD

Robert Muggah is a Principal at SecDev, Co-Founder of the Igarape Institute, a Fellow at Princeton University, and the Richard von Weizsäcker Fellow at the Robert Bosch Academy.

www.cirsd.org

If the region is ceded to Russia Ukraine will be castrated economically and Russia will be armed for further expansion. Russia not only wants the mineral and energy wealth of Ukraine but the agricultural wealth as well. That means taking the whole country.

The only logical solution is for Russia to be forced out of Ukraine and return to its own border.

Putin has grandiose plans for Russia.

"Without the Ukraine Russia is just a country. With the Ukraine Russia is an empire." -Vladimir Putin

He must be stopped at his own border. Are you listening Mr. Trump?

right, we can assume as I stated from day one putin wants dobas because exxon and shell have already explored it and were setting up when putin stopped it by starting a war, and he knows there are minerals there too. putin does not just want any land, he wants that land

 

[Billiejeens]

And now he will claim the Ukrainians don't want peace and blame them for the war.

And?

 

[Billiejeens]

So, you are nothing but a shit talker. As I knew.

As everyone knew.

Also not very bright.

 

[TimFitz]

Trump is getting Putin to negotiate, he is not cowering, cowering is what you democrats do.
If there is no deal Trump will turn up the pressure.
We either want to try to get a peace deal or we don't.

Putin isn’t negotiating.

He has given Trump his orders.

 

[TimFitz]

Ukraine has two choices... surender some land or lose it all... Unless the European nations decide to grow a backbone and join the fight Ukraine can't beat Russia...
Trump has to twist arms just to get countries to stop buying Russian oil and gas.... if they stopped and made moves to get involved militarily with boots on the ground Putin would get the message...

Trump TACO’d out on twisting arms over Russian gas and oil.

He dropped that threat last week, giving Putin a victory befor he even got on the plane.

 

[TimFitz]

So, you can't back it up either. It was just shit talk. As I said.


All you are doing is spamming negs and shit talk.


Pathetic.

You can’t refute a word of my post. And you know it,

 

[Correll]

You can’t refute a word of my post. And you know it,

What you are doing is dumb. You are harping on a minor win, to have an excuse to spam shit talk.


That is weakness and desperation on your part. Libtard.